MULTIPLAYER CAMPAIN!

[AqConsul]

Hello all When I make this thread I do not mean to lead people astray I simply just saw this on my Clan's site. One of our Amins posted a quote from TWC that is as follows:
"In April's 2004 edition of the Gamestar magazine, it has been announced that RTW will indeed have a multiplayer campaign. This is a quote from the magazine:

"At the top of the wish list for all veteran fans of the Total War seris is the ability to play campaigns in multiplay-and that wish has been granted"

This is a very exciting day for TWC.

Ave RTW and its crew"

Now, I believe that what my friend said is true, but if it is not I am sorry. But just think about just how increadible a multiplayer Campaign would be

Thanks

Consul

Note: Sorry about the typo on the title

[metatron]

*Chris bites his tounge over Consul's sig...

Eh, I don't believe it. April Fool's Day.

*Chris secretly does.

[Siblesz]

Excuse this part:


Quote[/b] ]"In April's 2004 edition of the Gamestar magazine, it has been announced that RTW will indeed have a multiplayer campaign. This is a quote from the magazine:

It's actually PC gamer that announced this, not Gamestar. :)

[spmetla]

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Post a link to your clans site so that I can see that myself. You better not be pulling a fast one on me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

[Siblesz]

TWC (http://www.legiontotalwar.com)

Go there and look at the latest news segment.

[Monk]

omg...omg...i think i love you CA...


Quote[/b] ]April Fool's Day.


It's march 1st http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

A TW MP Campaign??? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-end.gif it must be http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[RZST]

i wouldnt get so hyped up about this.
*cough*civilization3:play the world*cough*

[discovery1]

But it's the April Issue of the magazine.......

I sincerely hope it's not a joke.

[Siblesz]

Some people received the pre-release issue of PC gamer. This explains it.

[Monk]

Wow i just went back and reread (i think thats a word lol) the US PCG version, and thats what it says. How i missed that i will never know http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[neogerry]

Hope it´s not a joke http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-anxious.gif

[Nowake]

I don't think so. It was posted at .com by muffinman, and as far as I know him, he's quite reliable.

[Math Mathonwy]

It's true that PC gamer said that, my clanm8 Annhilator confirmed it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif (hi Consul http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif )

[Knight_Yellow]

*orgasms*


Thank you CA

*cries a thousand tears of joy*

*wipes crotch* http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

EDIT: i was looking at the TWC front page and the way this bit was worded...

"Edit: You can also unlock some non playable factions. So for ex: You beat the campaign as the Romans, you will get a former 'non playable' faction to play as"


So instead of the automatic "you HAVE to play romans first" wich we all jumped too maybe its like this...


Yuo can play the romans the britions all the major factions like normal

AND

if you play the roman campaign you can then play some of the minor factions that wouldnt have been playable anyway...


IE. if you complete a campaign as the Russians in MTW then you could unlock the mongols http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif

or am i jumping to conclusions?

[Stormer]

well i hope your right KY and hope you are cause that would be better.

oh and THANKYOU CA FOR YOUR MULTIPLAYER CAMPAGIN I WILL NEVER QUESTION YOUR ALMIGHTY JUDGEMENTS EVER AGAIN. *BOWS*
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Leet Eriksson]

and all of a sudden CA announces that they never knew of such an article and its all been fabricated by the magazine to draw more peeps into buying it...just a thought...

But if its true....


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THANK YOU CAAT LASTWE CAN ALL REST IN PEACE

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[Basileus]

i want to believe but i cant, lets wait and see

[Nowake]

wait for what? CA hasn't paid as a visit from some time ..

[biguth dickuth]

Quote[/b] ]wait for what? CA hasn't paid as a visit from some time ..

I guess they should pay a visit to these forums and the forums of other related sites because its the best way for them to know what their public really wants.

Now, the multiplayer campaign has been an old wish and i'm glad they have finally brought it to life, if, of course, what we read is true.

So forgive me for that, but i'll keep my own thanks for the time when this announcement will be verified.
Till then, let's http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-gossip.gif about it

[Shahed]

If it's true it would be great, but remember that this was already reported long time ago in a Turkish mag. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif

[Sir Robin]

A multiplayer campaign would be great but I am not sure about a variety of details.

As far as having to play as Romans to unlock other factions I think that refers to "historical campaigns" and not the full game.

I will just have to impatiently wait for strategyinformer's interview.

I have not seen any CA guys around in a while. Of course this is probably because they are trying to keep the release date by working their butts off. Good luck guys.

[AqConsul]

Pyrrhus was that person that posted it on the Clan site. (Hi Pyrrhus http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif )

Consul

[Leet Eriksson]

Well unlockable factions should increase the game life-span,well single player life-span anyways...

[Gregoshi]

Quote[/b] (Nowake @ Mar. 02 2004,09:39)]wait for what? CA hasn't paid as a visit from some time ..
I think they still visit, but not as often and they definitely don't post much anymore. Having said that, eatcoldsteel just posted in the Entrance Hall last week. Don't get excited though, it was non-TW related.

As for the campaign, I'd rather wait than get excited about it now. There is still about 6 months to go and a lot can happen in that time: 1) MP campaign too buggy, 2) deadline comes and MP campaign not ready or servers aren't ready, or 3) it just isn't good enough or practical enough to include. I would love to see it though.

[LordKhaine]

*crosses fingers and hopes*

[spmetla]

Quote[/b] ]AqConsul


Your Sig is far too big and you have too many.

[Nowake]

Quote[/b] (Gregoshi @ Mar. 03 2004,08:11)]
Quote[/b] (Nowake @ Mar. 02 2004,09:39)]wait for what? CA hasn't paid as a visit from some time ..
I think they still visit, but not as often and they definitely don't post much anymore. Having said that, eatcoldsteel just posted in the Entrance Hall last week. Don't get excited though, it was non-TW related.

As for the campaign, I'd rather wait than get excited about it now. There is still about 6 months to go and a lot can happen in that time: 1) MP campaign too buggy, 2) deadline comes and MP campaign not ready or servers aren't ready, or 3) it just isn't good enough or practical enough to include. I would love to see it though.
I don't think that they would've started the rumours if they woudn't have known precisely what is it all about.

[theKyl]

would be nice although I'd still prefer the online battles.

P.S.: Hi Sinan m8 how are you? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Stormer]

Well i think CA should really tell us whats going on, cause i hate not knowing weather its true some of us have waited for a multi campagin before Shogun was even out, and now it might come true.



pleaseeeeeeeeeeee reply CA http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-computer.gif

[Shahed]

Quote[/b] (theKyl @ Mar. 03 2004,11:50)]would be nice although I'd still prefer the online battles.

P.S.: Hi Sinan m8 how are you? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
Good to see you too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Swoosh So]

Omg guys dont be so gullable For a start we havent heard anything of the multiplayer campaign just a silly quote for a silly magazine, all it ould take is 1 word from one of the deys to confirm this or not and theres been nothing. If there was one dont you think they would market it lol Face it theres no MP campaign and anyone who thinks there is is simply being duped :)

Id love to say but if there is one ill be delighted but i know thier wont be so end of story :)

[Swoosh So]

Most people know that with the -ian command mp campaigns arent as hard as ca would have us believe. With that command in mtw they were a stones throw away from it, lets face it theyre just not interested in making one.

[CBR]

What has -ian to do with MP campaign?


CBR

[AqConsul]

I have heard that MP Campaign thing from several magazines...I believe it...

Sig is too big?? What r u talking about??
I will take the GWB one off, but, unless someone makes me a new one, the Consul one I am afraid has to stay. (I dont mean to be rude...just the truth...)

[Sir Moody]

Quote[/b] ]The guideline in the help topic will be replaced with this new one:

-10 kb max.
-no sound.
-max 500 pixels wide, max 150 pixels high.

yours doesnt fit

[AqConsul]

Actually my sig is 370X 144 thus I dont need to change it...


I DONT MEAN TO BE A SMART ALIK, BUT THAT IS THE TRUTH

[Gregoshi]

Consul, your sig is too large in file size. It is about 43kb and it needs to be 10kb or smaller. below is a version of your sig picture shrunk down to a 10kb file size. I had to convert it to a jpg file to shrink it. There is a slight degradation in image quality, but hopefully you won't find it too objectional.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/gbresslr/images/consulsigjpg.jpg

Just right-click on the image and pick "save as" from the menu to save it on your hard drive. Then you can upload it to your image hosting service. Finally, don't forget to go into Your Control Panel and change the "consulsiggif.gif" to "consulsigjpg.jpg" in your sig. I hope this helps.

BTW, I tried to send this via PM but it wasn't sending. Your PM inbox might be full.

Sorry for the diversion folks. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-juggle.gif

[Swoosh So]

Cbr the -ian command allows players to change factions during a campaign.

[econ21]

A multiplayer RTW campaign would more than justify the long wait that was imposed for this game. Great news

[Swoosh So]

Lol does noone listen :)

[Nelson]

Presumably those in favor of an MP campaign want it to play just like the SP campaign but with humans controlling the factions. I still do not see how an MP campaign that includes fighting battles can be done in a way that would appeal to any but a tiny few hardcore fans.

However. If CA has decided to make an MP campaign for people who wouldn't mind waiting for others to fight battles or who are willing to wait to resume a session later with each turn a session, we might see it after all.

Could happen. I think it's always been possible to have an MP campaign that is rather disjointed. The practicality of expending such an effort for so few has been the hurdle IMO.

[theKyl]

Yup I think the main problem is not technical but the gameplay. An entire campaing would just take too much time. If they make an MPC they'd have to make it faster somehow, so that you don't have to research anything or something like that. An entire campaign could be very interesting for clans though with one turn a week although the map-part is also realizable on a website.

[the_holy_knight]

OMG OMG OMG think of the possibilities everyone takes all the possible factions no stupid peasant armies ALL OUT WAR http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-end.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-iloveyou.gif CA

[AqConsul]

Thanks gregoshi for the sig...sorry to cause a problem So...back to the Campaign So cool

[jLan]

I think they could just make an option on whether or not to include the RTS battles in the MP campaign. That way each battle could be auto-calculated, like you have the option to do in MTW single player. Since we already have the battles online, having just the single-player campaign map could be fun too. At least offer more diversity.
They could just make each turn last so and so long or something, say 1-5 minutes per turn. This too could be made customizable by the players.
They could also make games saveable, like in some other online strategy games (Age of Empires comes to mind) so that people could keep a game going for weeks.

I see great potential for this, and I think a lot of people would enjoy it.

[Trax]

Few months ago I had an idea about multiplayer campaign,
the problem is how to limit the number of battles per turn.

My solution is players can personally command battles where their faction leader is present, rest of them has to be autocalculated.

Each player can have maximum 1 battle per turn, players who have no battles to fight can choose to watch the others fight if they wish.

BTW if I remember correctly it was stated by CA, a long time ago, that in RTW battles will be less frequent, but more decisive, then in previous titles. I think it´s a good thing for a possible multiplayer campaign.

[Knight_Yellow]

I personaly think MPC games will be between 3-4 countries.

IE.

England
France
Germany
Danes

cuts down the time by about 80%.

i would however be Very interested in a full on 20 player Campaign.

[spmetla]

Maybe instead of waiting for others to finish their battles you get spectator mode, not too realistic but better than waiting for hours. It'd be great on LAN with some buddies.

[AqConsul]

Ya...that would be a good idea with the spectator mode, perhaps maybe there is only autoresolve battles in MP Campaign?

[Crazed Rabbit]

YEAAAAHHHH
This is truly AWESOME
I just read it in the US PCG today, then come here and find out everyone's known it for 3 days http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

Anyway, it's still great

However, I also read
"Initially you'll be able to play only as one of the three Roman families, but once you've finished a full campaign, you'll unlock around eight more factions."
I hope this doesn't mean we have to play a whole campaign as the romans before we can play as a different faction, since it sure seems that way. I've never finished a whole campaign in M:TW after 1 1/2 years (After I get all-powerful, I lose interest) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

If both of these are true, the good definately outweighs the bad

Crazed Rabbit

[AqConsul]

Yea...RTW is going to kick...

[Captain Fishpants]

This is a piece of rumour control.

Despite reports in the gaming press Rome: Total War will not be shipping with a multi-player campaign. We haven't commented before now because we wanted to see what the report said before saying anything.

There are good practical reasons for not including an MP campaign. Apart from anything else, because of the way the game is structured - a 'baton' is passed at the end of a faction's turn to the next faction to move - it would take forever to play the campaign game in multiplayer. Even if the other player's only took a few minutes each to make their campaign moves, and then spent only 20 minutes fighting per battle you would be lucky to get a turn every day Imagine a game where you spend at least 95% of your time waiting for other people to have a go, and you'll see how this isn't really a viable proposition.

This doesn't mean that in future there won't be enhancements to multi-player features, but not yet.

[the_holy_knight]

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P.S sorry if this is spamming

[Gregoshi]

Thanks for that bit of rumour control Capt'n.

Okay, 'fess up folks. How many curled up in the fetal position and started sucking their thumbs when they read the good Captain's last post? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif See? My thumb's dry...

[Monk]

Quote[/b] (Gregoshi @ Mar. 05 2004,13:03)]Okay, 'fess up folks. How many curled up in the fetal position and started sucking their thumbs when they read the good Captain's last post? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif See? My thumb's dry...
*gets up from fetal position*

Not me.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I hate to hear that its all just a rumor, but i can understand the reasons for not doing it. Oh well, atleast i can dream right? No? Damn... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[Sir Robin]

Wow Captain http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif thank you for letting us know.

Now I have to find a paper towel for my thumb.

[Stormer]

ah nevermind i just hope RTW real good http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Swoosh So]

LmaO Well i was never in any doubt :)

[Gregoshi]

Quote[/b] (Swoosh So @ Mar. 05 2004,12:32)]LmaO Well i was never in any doubt :)
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif Nothing but net, eh? I guess that is why your name is "Swoosh". http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[masp_82]

no problem. An excellent solo campaign is much more important for me.

[Sir Moody]

one good thing about being me is i dont take anything i get from any gaming source that isnt the developers with a tonne of salt - meens i never buy into hype

[The Wizard]

Now to quell the rumor of the unlocking factions thing... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif



~Wiz

[AqConsul]

Ugg...I could have sworn that there would have been one...o well...I apologise for all the hype and getting people's hopes up...

[LordKhaine]

*whimpers in the corner*

[Knight_Yellow]

i think i speak for every1 here when i say CA should















SUE PCGAMER (B"$£%^£ BLOODY C£*)*$ SUCKERS)

[Sir Moody]

creating false rumours isnt a sueable offence unless they damage the credability or status of the target - at least in the UK

[AqConsul]

Yes...they really should, I mean look at the large number of responses to this thread...

[RisingSun]

The Cap didn't say anything about the unlocking factions... I find this deeply disturbing.



However, the same magazine reported this that reported the Multiplayer Campaign, so I assume their credibility is in effect, destroyed.

[alman9898]

Ermm sorry to break your heart but Captain Fishpants posted this:


Quote[/b] ]Where are the devs?

Developing. That's where.

At the moment, we've got oodles to do. Oodles. That's like "shed loads", only more.

On the subject of M:TW and VI being bundled with Rome: Total War, I think it's safe to say that this won't be happening. There may be a few retail outlets who decide to put together their own deals, but that's their affair and nothing we can influence.

At the moment, you play as one of three Roman factions first. Win, and you unlock other playable factions.

We haven't seen the magazine article quoted when MP campaigns are mentioned, so can't comment on what it says.

And with that, back to the couple of hundred unit descriptions I need to edit before Monday. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Intrepid Sidekick also needs to have the dogs set on him again, because he slackened for an instant in scripting the tutorial.

[Monk]

Quote[/b] (alman9898 @ Mar. 06 2004,12:53)]Ermm sorry to break your heart but Captain Fishpants posted this:


Quote[/b] ]Where are the devs?

Developing. That's where.

At the moment, we've got oodles to do. Oodles. That's like "shed loads", only more.

On the subject of M:TW and VI being bundled with Rome: Total War, I think it's safe to say that this won't be happening. There may be a few retail outlets who decide to put together their own deals, but that's their affair and nothing we can influence.

At the moment, you play as one of three Roman factions first. Win, and you unlock other playable factions.

We haven't seen the magazine article quoted when MP campaigns are mentioned, so can't comment on what it says.

And with that, back to the couple of hundred unit descriptions I need to edit before Monday. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Intrepid Sidekick also needs to have the dogs set on him again, because he slackened for an instant in scripting the tutorial.
We can always do the "Imperial Campaign" as Rome, IIRC all you have to do is civil war against the other Romans, claim Rome, become Emperor and hold it for 10 years and you win. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Nowake]

I don't understand how PC Gamer or anyone else do these things? Is it intentionally? That means having no spine whatsoever.

[AqConsul]

Perhaps they thought that they were going to put it in the game two...

[RisingSun]

I can't believe that. I mean, I believe it, but I don't want to. For God's sake, why? This is ridiculous I want to throw up I wanted to play the Romans first anyway, but just knowing that I won't be able to have the freedom to switch if I'm not in a Roman mood to say, the Carthaginians. I really hope that they take this out. This practically negates the purpose of the Total War games- to experience warfare from many different sides, and which side is totally your choice.

This might make me think twice before buying RTW, which previously I was going to buy immediately upon release. Just knowing they would do something this incomprehensible, this stupid, makes me question whether the game will be worth the money. Plus, I don't exactly want to encourage this behavior by giving them my money to experience it.

[Monk]

Quote[/b] (RisingSun @ Mar. 06 2004,15:24)]I can't believe that. I mean, I believe it, but I don't want to. For God's sake, why? This is ridiculous I want to throw up I wanted to play the Romans first anyway, but just knowing that I won't be able to have the freedom to switch if I'm not in a Roman mood to say, the Carthaginians. I really hope that they take this out. This practically negates the purpose of the Total War games- to experience warfare from many different sides, and which side is totally your choice.

This might make me think twice before buying RTW, which previously I was going to buy immediately upon release. Just knowing they would do something this incomprehensible, this stupid, makes me question whether the game will be worth the money. Plus, I don't exactly want to encourage this behavior by giving them my money to experience it.
You're not the only one who feels this way. I can understand that CA wants us to try the Romans as they will have a "rich tw experience" but i myself wanted to try the Gauls first. I've played "organized" warfare for long enough and i'd though i'd go the route of ambushing unsuspecting Romans my first time through.

but no...

My hopes are dashed upon the rocks like a cheap lifeboat. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif imo this takes away so much from the game. I wanted to save the Romans for last, i mean why repeat history when you can rewrite it? Oh well...*sigh* looks like i will have to play rome first and hope i never install any mods so i wont have to do it all over again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[Knight_Yellow]

Quote[/b] (Monk @ Mar. 06 2004,20:46)]
I was going to play the britons first and learn to use the romans from the enemies point of view.

I realy realy dont think this is a good move at all by CA,


It actualy makes me wonder why they are doing it....

are the other factions crap?

have they over emphasized the Romans?


Of course we might have guest.

Shogun total war: LOts of different factions
Medieval total War: tons of factions
ROME Total war: uhh ohh whys it called roman?

[AqConsul]

I dont think that they would do the unlockable thing becuase of the fact just stated of the numbers of Factions. They wouldnt go down in numbers. Of course there werent tons of different countries in that time like there were in MTW period. Perhaps they will just so you have to keep playing in order to really beat it...not just defeat one campaign...

[Monk]

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Mar. 06 2004,16:50)]I was going to play the britons first and learn to use the romans from the enemies point of view.
That's kinda what i wanted to do. I was planning to test Rome's new Ai by selecting the Gauls and attempting to defend Europe against the Romans. That way i could have watched their tactics, studied how the new Ai acted under certain situations, and tested unit effectiveness before tackling a Carthage campaign.


Quote[/b] ]It actualy makes me wonder why they are doing it....

are the other factions crap?

have they over emphasized the Romans?


I have feared this from day one: that CA may put to much attention on Rome and not enough on the others. Though watching TC had dispelled this fear, it has returned with the "unlocking factions". I fully understand that Ca want us to play as the Romans, but there has got to be a better way than this...

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If they *need* this feature, why not include about 5 'major' factions aside from the Romans that you can select from the start, and have the other 'minor' factions unlockable for later. That is certainly better imho

[Crazed Rabbit]

AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHhhhhhh....
(*collapses*)
Well, no MP campaign just sucks. And then we have to play as the Romans? It's like a spear in the heart, then being tossed off a high building.
I never finished one campaign in M:TW after 1 1/2 years because after a while it got too easy and boring. But now, in order to play as the Celts and bring home Roman heads to decorate my castle, I must play as the Romans and actually win a campaign. And then I have to do it all over again if a reinstall, or install a mod, or get a new computer?? I think I'll wait for the reviews before I buy this game. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

Disappointedly yours,
Crazed Rabbit

[AqConsul]

Ya m8...I know the feeling. I have had MTW for a month, but I just find campaigns to easy to want to play the whole way through. I just find a problem with the whole having to play as the Romans and win to be able to play as someone else. This whole thing stinks I mean first no mp campaign, then all of this having to play as Romans...I mean it REALLY is bad


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[Shahed]

Quote[/b] (Captain Fishpants @ Mar. 05 2004,14:08)]This is a piece of rumour control.

Despite reports in the gaming press Rome: Total War will not be shipping with a multi-player campaign. We haven't commented before now because we wanted to see what the report said before saying anything.

There are good practical reasons for not including an MP campaign. Apart from anything else, because of the way the game is structured - a 'baton' is passed at the end of a faction's turn to the next faction to move - it would take forever to play the campaign game in multiplayer. Even if the other player's only took a few minutes each to make their campaign moves, and then spent only 20 minutes fighting per battle you would be lucky to get a turn every day Imagine a game where you spend at least 95% of your time waiting for other people to have a go, and you'll see how this isn't really a viable proposition.

This doesn't mean that in future there won't be enhancements to multi-player features, but not yet.
You do realise we spend 95% of our time dreaming about an MP campaign. Thanks for the clarification, and hope all's going well for you guys on RTW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Shahed]

Oh and I DO NOT want to play as Romans, EVER, if possible....but if that bit about "unlocking" is true, then I think I see the logic behind it.

[AqConsul]

Yes...I dont see the point in it either...I mean to say that perhaps if they do that then perhaps some people wont buy it just for that reason...

Ugg...No MP Campaign http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif

[Nelson]

Quote[/b] (Sinan @ Mar. 07 2004,14:35)]Oh and I DO NOT want to play as Romans, EVER
Why ever not?

I can't imagine stating that there is a faction I will never want to play.

Someone will post a save of an almost completed victory that anyone can download and presto, the hated Roman campaign will be finished and the other factions unlocked

[Heinrich VI]

*sigh*

so much for the probably most requested featuresince STW - MP CAMPAIGN...

why not let players decide when they start the campaign if they allow played out battles or only player vs player battles?
let the not fighting players watch the battle. god there are dozens and dozens of options to cut down the wait times.

everybody makes his moves and when all players have pressed the "end turn" button the turn is processes. look at Moo2 they have done this too.

*CRYS*

[Shahed]

Quote[/b] (Nelson @ Mar. 08 2004,14:54)]
Quote[/b] (Sinan @ Mar. 07 2004,14:35)]Oh and I DO NOT want to play as Romans, EVER
Why ever not?

I can't imagine stating that there is a faction I will never want to play.

Someone will post a save of an almost completed victory that anyone can download and presto, the hated Roman campaign will be finished and the other factions unlocked


Well That's a good point Sir Nelson.

[TosaInu]

Hello,

I'm not against a MP campaign and it may be possible to come up with one that will be addictive enough to be played en masse. It's a difficult thing to pull off though (to make it long term attractive for the player). Too ambitious if you want.

It would be great if the ambition is (temporarily) scaled down to a more realistic goal. Support for home made online campaigns. ADF/BDF files (already part of TW since the alpha demo) could be the core of that. Add a website, PHP administration, processing and verification tools, a database, passworded user areas and a campaignmap and we have a new toy. A script can be set to 1 week per turn, 3 hours per turn or anything else. So, it can be adjusted by players to suit their taste.
There are already fansites around that can host one or more of these campaigns (different leagus, settings or identical, individual players or whole clans), and new sites don't cost a fortune. There have been a few of those campaigns already, but they were very time consuming for the gamemaster and had some limitations. Support there would be a good thing.

The benefit of this is also that the scripts can be updated in case of custom needs.

The same core ADF/BDF can serve yet another MP type of gaming: online historical battles and mini scenarios.

The third thing that is realistic, is play by e-mail for the campaign and optionally arranged online battles to resolve.

A full MPC may need more of a MMORPG approach. Not individual characters roaming a large continuous game world in massive guild wars, but generals having small armies. Not a pure MMORPG as the strategic and economic elements have to be fit in.

[Sir Robin]

Play by email would probably the most achievable short term possibility. Those would be some long campaigns though.

[Heinrich VI]

why?
an example based on MTW (dont know enough about RTW ofc):

turn1:
all players build, train and move armys.
the turn will update when all players have pressed the end turn button.

turn1 - battle phase:
players can decide if they want to a) calculate all battles b) calculate only player vs ai battles c) play all battles or c) players can request to play out a specific (maybe crucial) battle.

turn2:
and so on

the only real problem i see is the partly high demand on micromanaging in MTW (agents, checking all provinces if they are still building) - well a simple overview (similiar to the v&V overview) could show you all provinces that are not building.

didnt CA claim that it was to complex to change the campaign mode for mp and would requitre to redo lots of the STW/MTW code?

ok but WHY havent they considered this when they started RTW? this is probably the most reuqested feature since STW

regarding the playability:

anyone ever played MoO2? it was huge, required lots of micromanagement AND you played the battles yourself ok most battles wont take as long a clash with 10k horde warriors in MTW but is this really enough to drop the mp campaign again?

and screw email play and implent a proper play by ip lan/online mode (NO GAYSPY)

but so what we wont see it anyway :(
this is truly a major dissapointment



sry had to vent off :p

[Nowake]

I think someone should close this. It becomes more than a rant and seves no purpose than re-argumenting again and again.

[TosaInu]

Hello Heinrich VI,


Quote[/b] ]turn1:
all players build, train and move armys.
the turn will update when all players have pressed the end turn button.

turn1 - battle phase:
players can decide if they want to a) calculate all battles b) calculate only player vs ai battles c) play all battles or c) players can request to play out a specific (maybe crucial) battle.

Home made campaigns try to do this, but they fail in certain areas because things are not supported. The benefit of supporting home made campaigns (HMC) are
-CA 'only' has to create the basics
-We get tools to interact with the core and we're free to do that in a way we feel it to work best (example campaign turn completed in 1 week or 3 hours but also manual adjustments in case of technical difficulties).
-We won't get stuck with things that don't work out that well.
-As the players (gamemasters) fully control the interaction layer it's easier to reconfigure the not working parts.

This does not substitute a full MPC, on the contrary. It will create the basic for it. Actually, but that's just an outside view of someone who toyed with TW files: the basics of those basic are already around in TW since the original STW. They may need refinement and at least the possibility to send data from the campaign to the battle and back over the internet, 'just' like it's done on the local computer in SP right now. To state in other words: the basics could be present in STW and MTW, but technical difficulties required special workarounds in cerain cases. Thus preventing it to be universially applied. Should work and will work are very different things.

HMC will then provide CA details about the best working/most popular configurations. Then see what's the best next step: refine the core and/or implement a commercial dedicated server.

The first step has to be made, if one wants to be on top a ladder.


Quote[/b] ]and screw email play and implent a proper play by ip lan/online mode
These things don't stand in the way of a MPC. PBM is again a matter of sending data from one computer to the other. There are people who are interested in this.

Direct IP and lan are yet other parts of the story. Also handy and even required. It's the same basic: send data from one user to the other and back. It's only great if there are tailored ways to do this: LAN, PBM, HMC, DirectIP and MPC.

[crushinator]

I think that adding a MP element would not be quite as easy as it sounds ... you would basically have to reinvent a large portion of the game to implement.

As fishpants said, the current TW system is to allow one player to move his pieces. Once he hits 'end turn' all of the AI moves are calculated.

So, yes, you could reinvent a large part of the game by making the human players all move at the same time and the actions are 'carried out' at the end of the turn but this would take (i assume) a lot of time and effort

software projects (particularly in fast past industries) are almost always about what you can achieve on a limited timeframe/budget. So while a MP campaign would be great, it would come at the expense of other areas of the game or pushing back the release date further (and i'm sure no one wants that ;) )

unfortunately we can't have everything, all the time, exactly when we want it :(

but i'm surprised no-one noticed that fishpants said 'RTW won't SHIP with a MP component' ..... so all hope is not lost

[Cazbol]

As much as I would have liked an MP campaign I most certainly didn't expect it. I can easily understand the reasons for not doing so. As Nelson pointed out it would be a lot of effort for a relatively few players. The only practical "solution" is the one which TosaInu suggests; enabling the community to fiddle with homemade solutions. I took part in a couple of attempts at limited multiplayer which only focused on the strategic map. The -ian command made controlling different factions possible but the AI would take over all the factions except the one which was player active at the end of turn. Some people then discovered that the AI could be turned off. The catch was that it could only be done for all factions or none of them. Being able to turn the AI off for single factions would thus have enabled a limited MP campaign. Such a thing should not be hard to implement.

As for unlocking factions, this sounds like something for a console game for kids, and not something for a mature audience. "Unlockable" is a racing game buzzword for kids. It doesn't add to game content, it limits game content. As described, the community will work around this so what's the point?

[Heinrich VI]

this sounds really promising guys.

i remember something similar for civ2. after the huge mess that was civnet (and i even bought win 3.11 to play it :/) civ2 shipped without mp - bah but the cheat mode allowed you to switch the factions (altough you had to be very careful with the order of players) and allowed you to play hotseat with 2 players - altough it was very uncomfortable.

later someone wrote a small programm that allowed you to play civ2 mp over direct ip - years before the official civ2 mp hit the shelves. it wasnt perfect, required some tuning and was a bit unstable but so what. i loved it (there was even a small hotseat tool for the old dos colonization).

something similar to this for MTW would be... simply awesome.

i`d really like to know if civ2 mp sold well. it was just the already years old civ2 with some new scenarios and the mp mode. so there seems to be a market for this kind of games - and the usual mentioned "few" (and i bet that a mp game of civ2 takes much longer than a game of mtw - longest round i`ve played so far was 6 players, 4 month - it ended in all out nuclear war http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif ) are maybe "a few more" :p

mtw loving coders unite and try to do what CA is unable or unwilling to do ;)

[Cazbol]

Quote[/b] (Heinrich VI @ Mar. 11 2004,17:16)](there was even a small hotseat tool for the old dos colonization).
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Whaaat??

I'm going to search for this treasure. This is one thing that is going to be played at my house.

[Heinrich VI]

i will check some old floppys. maybe i still have it - if yes i`ll upload it for you ;)