Surrender. Appart from killing or starving an army

[Nowake]

Well, how about giving some serious thought to surrendering? Nowake's opinion. It would have a major impact on the overall gameplay.


Now, we have two distinct situations:

a) the enemy has you trapped and under siege (brings back some memories, isn't it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif) But maybe the enemy doesn't want to assault or support a costly siege, and maybe you don't want either to have your troops slowly decimated in a war of attrition behind the walls. So both of you should be able to offer terms of surrendering. We can imagine a number of surrendering conditions: an easy way would be to have your besieged army re-deployed in the closest territory (like when having your prisoniers returned) while the enemy gets the city untouched by war (of course, re-deployed is just a figure of speech, because the new sistem will allow you to retreat litterally - thus also to be exposed to a chase; rear-guard recommended)

b) the enemy has you trapped in the open; and maybe the place isn't worth a fight and he just wants you out of there and you just want out of there but you can't because your in a peninsula like Bretagne or in the west of Sicily with no fleet etc. so you let him have the district while he guarantees you safe pasage and a future meeting on a more worthwhile battlefield.

I reckon there are a great many distinct situations, I just revealed the most obvious. It think Creative Assembly should give this some second thoughts.

Also, just thought this one out: c) how about forcing the rebels holding a region to surrender? You give them alternatives: you can fight, join my army, disband. I mean, they are depicting humans. In a game of mine, the other day, I had the classic situation: my 1000 men army was facing some 80 rebel cav. They retreated into the castle and I assaulted etc. But what if I could of given them the chance to disband peacefully? Or, as I said, join me? Nowake doesn't like to bribe http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif


My 2 cents

[Nelson]

Surrender is a good idea.

[hoom]

Yeah that would be excellent :)
It also needs the option to execute those who surrender as has been known to occur in the past.
It would mean that you think carefully about surrendering without a fight.
High dread AI generals should be more likely to execute surrenderers too.

[Macedon]

I like it and I missed it in MTW.
"surrender or else..." he he... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[RZST]

how about allow them to surrender..BUT immediately attack them :p

[dessa14]

you mean like going back on your agreement and backstabbing them, well i don't think that is a good idea.

thanks, dessa

[jLan]

I do. It has been mentioned in the past that RTW will keep 'relations' or should we call it 'feelings' between kingdoms, based on past actions and stuff. Going back on your word should be possible (we want as much as possible to BE possible, right?) but make the other factions less trusting of you.

[Nowake]

Quote[/b] (dessa14 @ Mar. 11 2004,09:14)]you mean like going back on your agreement and backstabbing them, well i don't think that is a good idea.

thanks, dessa
Indeed, some gruesome penalties may be included just for doing that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

[RZST]

backstab is such a strong word.i prefer to use the term "seizing opportunities" :)

you mean like going back on your agreement and backstabbing them, well i don't think that is a good idea.
-as jLan said any possiblity needs to be put in the game :). besides, its war :p

[RisingSun]

Looks like we have a "blood lover" here, eh?

[The_678]

This sounds like a great idea I hope they put in the game

[The_Emperor]

Yes I like the idea of a surrender option.

The ability to offer a bribe to a besieged enemy to help "convince them to leave peacefully" should also be an option.

I don't want to buy the enemy army every time (besides who wants a man with no principles or loyalty in their army?)

"If you surrender this city, I will let you leave with this gold..."

[dessa14]

i mean you backstabbing them, not the game.
hmm im a tiny little german faction, and look i just beat a roman army. they surrended, lets kill them while they leave.

Next Month: hmm i wonder why rome sent 2 legions and burnt and pillaged my entire faction?

see the point

thanks, dessa

[Vlad Tzepes]

Great idea, indeed.

Surrendering was a common option during that times (and not only), but usually the "surenderee" left without any weapons. How can this be implemented in the game?

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] (Vlad Tzepes @ Mar. 13 2004,15:39)]Great idea, indeed.

Surrendering was a common option during that times (and not only), but usually the "surenderee" left without any weapons. How can this be implemented in the game?
Well how about making it so they can't fight until they reach a friendly city to get re-equipped or something.

Or just send them right there (like we already do with ransomed prisoners)

[neogerry]

I like it very much http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[spmetla]

That's an excellent idea

[Nowake]

Well, taking you all into consideration, I agree with having the possibility of backstabbing. Why not? That's the whole point.

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] (Nowake @ Mar. 15 2004,10:17)]Well, taking you all into consideration, I agree with having the possibility of backstabbing. Why not? That's the whole point.
Yes but a penalty if you do that should be implemented... Be it in the form of Bad Command vices, a reluctance of future garrisons to surrender to you (because of stories about what you did before), or a lack of factions allying with you.

[Sniya]

god i can just imagine me 10 years in

No allies
No Trust
But on the up side high dread http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Mouzafphaerre]

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While the idea is very good (we had it in Cutthroats), I can imagine the AI:

"The blablahs have decided that they can't win the battle and are surrendering." http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/handball.gif
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