Why does nobody fight Mongol battles ?

[Orda Khan]

Don't see many Mongol games online and not much enthusiasm when you host one. I was just wondering if there was any reason??
............Orda

[Vanya]

If you don't see it, host it. Then others will see it and this will become mute, for the presence of 1 game fills the void. Go forth, young warrior and fill the void.

If you host it, they will come... eventually.




[This message has been edited by Vanya (edited 04-23-2002).]

Why does everyone play the same maps?
Why does everyone play with the same (practically) army?
Why does everyone have more than one name?
Why does everyone play Jap vs Jap?

No answer.

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[Vanya]

Why doesn't anybody host 4v4s on Vanya maps? Why is it always iron bored?

At least Seebadawhorea (Seibagahara for you non-Jap speaking fellers) has a hint of a ripple here and there...

NO... I did NOT say NIPPLE... RIPPLE! GAH!

[Muneyoshi]

Why do JAG and Toda spam so much?
Why is DBZ so great?
Why does Krast say "Gah!"?
Why is "Gah!" so popular now?
Why does EA suck?

The world will never know......

[Magyar Khan]

i cant remember i lost one, somehow the mongol units just dont fit in the game...

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[tootee]

It is because you don't have guns in that period. Most like to take gun units into battle. Few can fight w/o guns.

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[TosaInu]

Konnichiwa,

Try with 60% inf and 40% cav Magyar. Mongols didn't came to Japan with all cav armies.

The mongol cavalry has been made superior to the Japanese one, the mongol infantry inferior to the Japanese one. You need to take only some MCav and a lot of KorInf to make a balanced army.

MCav is hard to manage, so while a 16 MongCav army is superior to a Japanese army, it'll likely lose.

If a player has above average skill to manage 16 MongCav he'll likely have an easy win.

The only thing I like about the mongols is the very nice music made by Jeff van Dijck. Mongols in STW is like priest in AOE converting enemy catapults: silly. Apart from that I don't like mongols.

I've played Mongols a lot though last fall. It was very easy to crush anyone.

I've played many games using mongols against Yuuki on Green. Using 1.01 I could easily crush Yuuki any day. In 1.02, I had to work very hard and might win.

Like Jap games, Mongol games are balanced for 7k. And like you should ask for limits in Jap games, you should ask for limits in Mongol ones to make sure all participants have a good time.

I've played a Mongol one recently on Hachiman Hatake. I executed evil plans (ones that always worked in 1.01), but it was only due to my decent ally that I survived the battle.



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[Vanya]

Quote Originally posted by tootee:
It is because you don't have guns in that period. Most like to take gun units into battle. Few can fight w/o guns.

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Contrary to popular belief, you actually CAN play with guns, ashigaru and monks in MP games online in a Mongol era game.

Its a fluke bug in the game.

Sad but true.

http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/confused.gif



[This message has been edited by Vanya (edited 04-24-2002).]

[Puzz3D]

I like the v1.02 Mongol games, but they are balanced in an extreme way. I think you can win with either side now. The Mongols walked all over the Japanese in v1.01. The Mongol player has to be very good managing extremely fast cav and offensivly minded, but I doubt that all cav can win since it looses to spears. The Japanese player has to be defensively minded, but wary of the Korean ranged units. I don't like the cost inflation that was done on the Mongol/Korean units in the v1.01, and would have preferred that the v1.02 rebalance was done with the original v1.0 unit costs. The Mongol units wouldn't be so extreme then, and you could play at lower koku. You can play the Mongols at 7K, but you have to sell off honor on the cavalry to do it, and I don't like that from a morale perspective. The Mongol cav should have high morale.

MizuYuuki ~~~
Clan Takiyama ~~~

[Major Robert Dump]

I think mongel games are great, but no one ever joins my big ones, just like -- with the exception of about 10 ppl i play regularly with -- most people will say "why don't you play on a normal map everyone has???" People don't like new things apparently, mongel games hold fun surprises just like playing on a mpa no one knows holds surprises.

[Orda Khan]

I had my suspicions about the guns issue,having noticed their importance in most onloine battles. Perhaps honour level means too much. I'm just a humble newbie and I like to see the tactics used and having a vet as your ally is an education! Maybe it's because I host 2v2 and 3v3 but usually people join once you switch to Sengoku Jidai. Never mind I will keep trying..
.........Orda

[Muneyoshi]

Orda, me and you need to play a game sometime. Im a vet yet I suck, those darn guns get me everytime

[Major Robert Dump]

Mune, I agree with your hatred of guns and thats one of the best things about playing mongels -- you can actually make tactical uses of Archers and CA without having to worry about having them torn to shreds by some ashis with Boom sticks. Of course the REALLY good players can win with all archers against guns, but I'm not in that category http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[Vanya]

Play Vanyasake! Despite the terrain, its an attacker's paradise of a map!

You can easily go into battle with 2 guns or less -- even NO guns -- and still smash the defenders head with the butts of his own guns. I have done it before. So can you!

So start playing now! I want to see more 4v4s on this map!

GAH!