where is the snow???

[vlad_demstra]

I've been playing MTW for close to 7 months now and NEVER ounce fought in snow in single player unless it was a costume battle. so where is the snow? is it up by the danes or what?

[son of spam]

I believe that you have to have 4 battles in a row to have a chance of snow, and you can't autocalc them. Still, there's some other variable because one time, in my English campaign, I got some snow in cordoba (in the prebattle screen) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif but when I fought it out the snow had mysteriously disappeared. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Edit: Ok, I was wrong, it's the fourth battle http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-blush.gif

[katank]

I think the 4th battle in a single turn is always snow, doesn't matter where.

I had snow as far south as naples but would like to see desert snow storms http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] (katank @ Mar. 12 2004,18:46)]I think the 4th battle in a single turn is always snow, doesn't matter where.

I had snow as far south as naples but would like to see desert snow storms http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
I think you'd get sandstorms instead...

[Red Harvest]

It is the 4th battle. A developer posted about this some time ago. 1st battle in a turn = Spring. 2nd battle in a turn = Summer. 3rd = Fall. Not sure if you get snow in the Mediterranean desert climates though (I would suspect not, might have to try custom/winter/desert to see what it looks like.)

While it seems a little odd, there is some logic to this. Military campaigns historically began in the Spring or Summer in most climates. It was a lot easier to move an army in the Spring, the marches were long, and the army was camped outside. Plus they were easier to feed in spring/summer/fall (imagine trying to find adequate grain or pasture for 10,000 horses in Winter.) And it is not only the battle, you have to figure out how to handle the aftermath if you win. Again, you have to feed and clothe your army (even if they are fending for themselves, the resources must be available somewhere.) Winter battles would be the last choice for most, although in some circumstances Winter can aid a moving army by freezing over lakes or freezing roads that would otherwise be muddy or marsh. Perhaps season for civil wars, rebellions, and castle assualts/sallies should occur more randomly, because they don't necessitate an invasion.

[vlad_demstra]

i see. so I need to attack 4 differnt people to get snow.. i didn't know this. thanks for the info tho people :)

[katank]

not four diff. ppl, just four diff battles and don't auto resolve.

I know you get sandstorms but I want to actually see snow storms in the desert

[Servius]

also, you'll get snow for every battle after the fourth too. So if you fight (not auto-resolve) 8 battles in one year, the last 5 will be on snow maps.

[Gore]

I fought in snow few days ago and it was a miracle that I won...It was late and 2 units of woodsmen saved me (reinforcments) ... My 5 star general routed.
Units are exausted as fast as on the desert. It wasn't fun http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif .
It was Wes Mod - My Russians' Saxony was attacked by English.

[Seven.the.Hun]

i like the snow, but god those awful sandstorms, i mean its just dreadful, just ruins the battlefield outright, fun in some ways but just GAH as a whole...oy vey

[Ulair]

Folks,

Thanks for the details on the seasons model (I've been asking in another thread (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=7;t=14153), too). So, if my first battle in a turn will be in "Spring", my second in "Summer" etc., what determines the order of these battles? Is it the order in which I gave out the orders (if you see what I mean)? So the first stack I drag-n-drop to attack becomes my first battle etc. What about countermanding invasions before turn-end? What about defensive battles?

Being able to arrange certain battles for summer (eg. when fielding large numbers of bowmen) would be neat, as would arranging for enemy heavy cavalry to suffer in the snow...

Cheers,
Ulair

[lancer63]

Funny you mention this. I often get snow battles from the second consecutive battle on. Sometimes I don't get any, ever on a 6 battles in a row situation.
Snow battles are some of the best. Last night my viking empire goes into civil war. Picts and Scots take the oportunity to reclaim some land they somehow left unattended and I was watching over for them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .
On a specially vicious battle in Fib, my king and his 800+ men were facing some 500 rebels. But the funny thing about snow scenarios is that darn everpresent fog.
So I wait for the rebels to appear from out of the white when my left flank gets jumped by 400 pict celtic warriors where the hades did those guys spawn from? Well that's one of the disadvantages of overconfidence. I just clicked my way into the battle and didn't pay atenttion to details. I didn't notice I was facing a three sided battle. Plus the way those picts appeared was most dramatic. Flashes, thunder and wolves howling (enough to make my skin crawl) at the very moment the fog broke and hundreds of half naked picts threw themselves into the hungry blades of my huscarles and bersekers, for that was what my left flank was made of 3 prince and 2 berserker units. It was a slaughter. Poor pict b***ards.
I love snow battles. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Cebei]

Quote[/b] ] single player unless it was a costume battle.


Vlad, dont get me wrong, I am not being sarcastic, I really think it is funny http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif LOL "costume battle"

- "Hey give me my costume"
- "No YOU give me my costume"

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Eastside Character]

Quote[/b] (lancer63 @ Mar. 15 2004,10:36)]Funny you mention this. I often get snow battles from the second consecutive battle on. Sometimes I don't get any, ever on a 6 battles in a row situation.
Snow battles are some of the best. Last night my viking empire goes into civil war. Picts and Scots take the oportunity to reclaim some land they somehow left unattended and I was watching over for them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif .
On a specially vicious battle in Fib, my king and his 800+ men were facing some 500 rebels. But the funny thing about snow scenarios is that darn everpresent fog.
So I wait for the rebels to appear from out of the white when my left flank gets jumped by 400 pict celtic warriors where the hades did those guys spawn from? Well that's one of the disadvantages of overconfidence. I just clicked my way into the battle and didn't pay atenttion to details. I didn't notice I was facing a three sided battle. Plus the way those picts appeared was most dramatic. Flashes, thunder and wolves howling (enough to make my skin crawl) at the very moment the fog broke and hundreds of half naked picts threw themselves into the hungry blades of my huscarles and bersekers, for that was what my left flank was made of 3 prince and 2 berserker units. It was a slaughter. Poor pict b***ards.
I love snow battles. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif
Yeah snow battles are beautiful, but in the VI campaign they happen more often than in the medieval campaign. In expansion game (can be vikings, or for example STW mod Im playing now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif ) the second battle is already with snow, so is the any consecutive battle that turn.

In medieval it starts snowing from the fourth battle as you've already said. I think CA decided to give more snow to the Vikings so to give them more appropriate cold feel. In medieval there should be no snow only in arid and desert regions. However, as some of you here mentioned, the forecast is not always right. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Regards,
EC

[vlad_demstra]

Quote[/b] ]Quote
single player unless it was a costume battle.



Vlad, dont get me wrong, I am not being sarcastic, I really think it is funny LOL "costume battle"

- "Hey give me my costume"
- "No YOU give me my costume

LMAO o crap I didn't even realize that. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif
I was tired when I wrote that. Plus not being a great speller could be a problem too. o well... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-zzz.gif

[KyodaiSteeleye]

This is actually something that i really miss from STW - weather is far less of a thing in MTW - partly because generally its much better i think (you can nearly always get a dry day except in winter).

I used to love having to do battles in thunder storms, driving snow, heavy fog (ever attack that mountain province run by the monks in STW - in thick fog - shag, that was scary stuff - used to get lost running around the mountain, and just when you're about to go home, the monks jump you and slay all your samurai - yikes..) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif

[PseRamesses]

Playing the VI the other night I actually had snow in the 2nd and 5th battle the same year. Never happened before?

[kawligia]

I would like to see turns go by seasons rather than years.

I guarentee I could march an army from Naples to Venice in less than 2 YEARS

[Nowake]

I noticed that in many of my battles, in the pre-battle screen it was depicted a province with snow, while when I started the battle, the snow was gone ..

[katank]

that's funny as I have also had that experience numerous times now that I think about it.

[Antalis::]

I liked the seansons system of Shogun much better then this every 4th battle you will get snow.

It was a step back in my opinion.
I know it would be too many years then, but it was a step back.
Also the wheater with the storms and thunders and so on was much better in Shogun.
And the fog...brilliant in Shogun.
I miss this in MTW badly.

[Apocalyp$e]

I think that they should have gone with 6month turns rather than year turns, then you could have warm season turns, followed by cold season turn, plus the game would have lasted longer as well, It would have made things a wee more realistic as well... I mean a year to train & equip peasants? or spearmen? Back in the day they had like weeks to gather and mobalize recruits not a year. Yes, shorter turns would have been better.. actually I think this is probably deserving of a topic itself...

[Lacker]

hmmmmmmmmm,



I KNOW I've fought at least one battle in the snow...and MAN was it neato. I'm almost POSITIVE I didn't fight 3 battles leading up to it though....I'm not sure I've ever had the patience for that. I fight the big ones but almost NEVER more than 3 a year. Are we SURE there's no other way to fight in the winter?

A

[squippy]

I suspect it may count auto-resolves, as I fought a snow battle as I think the third that year.

I was assaulting the Italians holed up in a Citadel in the Isle De France. It was bloody; the snow exhausted all my units by the time the fighting began. I lost 3 units of Chiv Knights and my prince.... boohoo... his brother is only 3... time for caution.

[Doug-Thompson]

Quote[/b] (Seven.the.Hun @ Mar. 15 2004,07:58)]i like the snow, but god those awful sandstorms, i mean its just dreadful, just ruins the battlefield outright, fun in some ways but just GAH as a whole...oy vey
I love sandstorms. Just this morning, sandstorms hit while I was battling some of the Golden Horde.

He had horse archers. I had camels. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

Another time, a big French crusade was pushing through a sandstorm to attack me. I kept an eye on the general's unit of crusader knights with some faris and moved my whole army (almost) to attack that one unit. The rest of my army was invisible, thanks to the sand. Bushwhacked those knights and the rest of the French army withdrew.

There are other examples. I've even waited for a sandstorm before beginning a battle before.

[Ragss]

I have an odd bug in this area, 95% of my battle plan screens show snow on the map...even the ones in Africa. Its about 1350 and im playing turks and I can only remember once fighting in snow...