Do u enjoy Guns Battles?

[FasT]

Alot of guns in game,how u feel about the gun battles?As it is really a major part of the game.Or have i got it wrong?
Do u like them or r u bored with them?
Any views on these?

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[james]

i love gun battles espicially when you back off to the edge of the map and here the guns blasting.it sounds really kool!

[Boromir]

Personally, whether they are good or not, they are part of the game. If you dont wanna use them, then dont. Just like the "Super- Ashis".

Boromir...

I like guns and missiles because they're part of the game...but they MUST NOT be too much part of it. The REAL skill is in melee fighting and pre-battle techniques...

In other words I want battles that are decided by the most skilled not the one that has the better guns, like unfortunately many times happens...

Tera.

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[Muneyoshi]

I HATE guns, because they are always what kill me. Everytime. They get close and shoot up my army while they are fighting and then they rout and then my guns rout and then its over.

[NagatsukaShumi]

Guns can be used tactically for the battle, but overusing them is a bad thing.

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[Orda Khan]

I suppose it's a matter of personal preference. I have always found mediaeval warfare and history more interesting than modern. Perhaps this is why I prefer no guns.
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[Muneyoshi]

Nagatsuka, in a way you are right, but guns are too powerful. Not like the good ol' days. Hows the old server been guys?

[NinjaKilla]

Old server has been beautiful thank you Mune. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

I think that how much you like gun battles is linked to how many of them you win... Having said that, from the 2 or 3 MI games I've played, guns did seem overly-powerful... I actually got my gen killed from gunfire.

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[BlackWatch McKenna]

They are a crutch, so I dont use them.

[Puzz3D]

Muskets dominate the game unless it's raining or the map has lots of trees. A 250 koku musket typically gets anywhere from 60 to 120 kills. If you get 40 to 60 kills with the 300 koku archer, you are doing well. Those two units are about the same price, and they should be closer in kills if you want unrestricted use of guns and still have balance in the game. From what I can see, 4 archers are at a considerable disadvantage to 4 muskets. This means with a 4 gun max you have to take the 4 muskets to maintain parity. I think you need a bit more of a restriction like 2 muskets + 2 arq's max to come into balance with the 4 archers.

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[Krasturak]

Gah!

Guns are great!

When you blast heads off, it saves lots of work with axes later.

But, gunners are weaklings, and will often run away when under attack.

Krast has tried several times to operate an army with ten gun units.

This army has interesting effects on the opposing players, often generating hopelessness ... but the players who keep their cool and develop an effective attack on the gun line are almost always victorious.

You must learn the tactics to approach the guns at a fast rate without breaking.

Gah!

[Muneyoshi]

Thinking of reverting back to old server while still playing MI, but not sure yet

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[Rath]

Interesting discussion.

As it is gun battles are boring because they regular 'decide' the outcome of the battle and always seem to occur.

On the old server they were more fun because winning or losing them didnt have too much of an effect on the outcome if u knew how to handle a charge.

[Kraellin]

this discussion reminds me of a mod that tosa and i played with once. we adjusted the stats of the thunder bombers to allow them to 'throw' their grenades about 10 tiles away. in other words, we created mortars :) we then each took an entire army of these 'mortars' and played a game or two with them. it was a hoot! bombs going off all over the place. this was just plain hilarious and i was rolling on the floor the whole time.

i'll save the rest of this for a different thread ;)

K.


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[Puzz3D]

Ah Krast,

I can see I'm going to have to make a special anti-musket army just to use against you. This calls for extreme measures.

MizuYuuki ~~~

[james]

Quote Originally posted by YagyuMuneyoshi:
I HATE guns, because they are always what kill me. Everytime. They get close and shoot up my army while they are fighting and then they rout and then my guns rout and then its over.[/QUOTE]

take morale off

[Dune Daidoji]

guns if i could only make them stand still , and not run to the edge of the map .

Its good that archers are better since 1.12 since they can clear out most of the gun unit before they rout of ammo, leading to a nicer battle. So taking few SA/CA (CA never frontally vs guns or else they'll be gone) can save the battle.

However as I am tired of repeating it...MI 1.02 at the correct koku is good fun...it is the people playing it that makes me feel bad. Today I was on the MI server and I had fun playing the games themselves, but on the foyer insults, swear words going around...Baaaaa! Anyway I am surprised but I can still enjoy myself sometimes http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

Tera

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[james]

Quote Originally posted by Dune Daidoji:
guns if i could only make them stand still , and not run to the edge of the map .[/QUOTE]
put them on any mode apart from skimish like ehhh engage at will or hold formation.
thats what i do,somtimes

[Gan Ning]

I think gun battles are fun but without having protection from yari or calvery ect.
the battle will end quickly. Archers, and musketeers will eventualy run out of ammo and then close combat! I dont even want to talk about musketeers fighting close combat.
If u can even call it combat, its more like a slaughter! So without protection from effective sword or spear berring units the battle is only fun for so long.