Multiplayer

[PanzerJaeger]

I was reading the promotion thing and it seems the only way to be promoted is to post here, and nothing here is particularly intresting at the moment so i decided to post about my favorate part of this game, that many dont get to experience.

I played MTW for about 3 weeks and was finished. I wasnt really impressed with the campaign after i got it figured out but the battles were fun, i found they were most of the time imbalanced toward one side, and the ai skillz were usually rudementary. Then i got online one day, and have played at least a game almost every day for around a year.

Everyone online (well everyone who sticks around for any period of time) is very helpful if you show a decent attempt to learn. Theres a grand amount of clans for the number of people who play, and theres always games up.

For those who havent played online at all, you can choose any faction, and play all the units that faction can have for the specific era selected, like a custom game.

The reason mp has such a replayability is the massive variation of the games. There are so many units, maps, factions, eras, climates, ext. that youll have a new experience everytime you play. Also mp games involve alot more skill and tactics than sp, and units can be used more effectively.

There are so many more reasons to get yourself online, but this is long enough So for those new to the game, i hope to see you online

Have Fun and Good Luck
Panz

[ichi]

Welcome to The Org PJ

Very nice to see you posting here.

One of the primary reasons that I play online is to get good enough to beat you. I think that means that I will be playing this game long time.

Only thing I can add is that a 56K modem and basic comp will do OK online.

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very nice to see you here

ichi

[Pox]

Hello Panzer http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

I might add that the first venture into the world of multi-player can be intimidating. Some folks are rude and criticize players who make rookie mistakes. For every one of those players there are probably ten more veterans who will be glad to answer questions and give tips to a willing student. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif So if you are new and someone chews you out http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif , shrug it off, move on and learn from your mistakes. Don't be afraid to ask questions. In no time, you will be a vet too. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

We were all noobs once and in many ways I still am.

[PanzerJaeger]

Thanks guys for the warm welcome.

Sadly Pox's words are true, mp has an extremely high learning curve, but when you overcome it, its a great feeling. And if someone calls you a noob, call them a mtw addict http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif

[Gregoshi]

Glad to see you here PanzerJager. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif Where's that cool sig picture you have of the Panther tank? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[CBR]

Hey Panzer welcome to Org. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


CBR

[PanzerJaeger]

Thanks guys. :)

I havent messed with profile Greg, but i dont see many pics under peeps names. If this is possible then surely the Panther will make an appearence :P

http://www.angelfire.com/ab5/WWTanks/Germany/Tanks/Panther/Panther.jpg

[Gregoshi]

Very cool, but you will have to trim it to use it as a sig. Pictures in sigs can be no larger than 10kb and 500x150. You picture is 41kb and 500x270...yes, your Panther needs to go on a diet. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Jochi Khan]

Hi Panzer

Welcome to the org. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

Nice tank but it won't fit on the mtw battle fields http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Swap it for a horse http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

...Jochi

[Sun Tzui]

Hy Panzer, Welcome to the ORG.

Great Tank BTW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Welcome to the ORG, PanzerJager http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

BTW, nice pic of one of my favorite tanks ever. However, since your name says PanzerJager (Tank Hunter) you should use the JagdPanther picture for your sig... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif

[PanzerJaeger]

Hehe good point Yes the panther was an awesome tank but i lean more toward the traditional tiger, so big, so heavy, so powerful. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif Jagdpanther was the best tank destroyer of the war, and just too cool. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-glasses2.gif

[Malcolm Big Head]

I am relatively new to the game and have been considering an attempt at online. About how long would my first online experience take from the time I sit at my computer to the time my mismatched soldiers run off the screen? I am currently playing on hard for the first time so should I wait until I play at expert?

[CBR]

You cant really use your SP campaign experience for MP. playing against a human player is totally different and a good army for MP is not the same as for SP.

If you go online and are lucky to get into a game right away we could be talking about hmm 15-20 minutes. Sometimes the server has problems and one guy drops while the rest are buying armies (so you have to do it all over again) Or just no games are up and you are busy ignoring spammers heh

But my best advice for you would be not to think about your SP battle skills. You could try and read some about MP tactics and army selection, just to prepare yourself.

The best way of learning MP is to play MP. Dont be afraid of getting killed lots of times at first. Ask for advice and be willing to listen and ignore the idiots. Save replays and see what other people are doing is always nice.


CBR

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

I disagree with CBR

Yes, MP is really different. But you can do something to make it easier without playing MP.

One of the bigggest hurdle when shifting from SP to MP is; no pause.

Pause is a great feature when it comes to army control.

When you don't have pause anymore, your army control get MUCH worse.

So play some custom games vs AI; the purpose is not so much the fight vs the AI, but getting used to no pause game, and training yourself to use all the control command available
You need to group, you need to golden box, you need to waypoint, and you need to do that without pause.

Once lack of pause is no longer a problem for your army control, it's time to move on and face some real tactics online...

Louis,

[SwordsMaster]

For some reason, my multyplayer does strange things:
It works perfect for plain MTW, but will no accept the CD key for VI, i wonder why that happens?
Can someone please help? I really want to play MP VI... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif

[CBR]

Gah yes I missed the pause thing. But I never used pause in my few SP campaigns http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


Quote[/b] ]you need to golden box, you need to waypoint

Thats fancy stuff and I dont use it anyway. The Click is the most important thing and you know it louis http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif


CBR

[Cazbol]

Quote[/b] (CBR @ Mar. 25 2004,08:50)]
Quote[/b] ]you need to golden box, you need to waypoint

Thats fancy stuff and I dont use it anyway. The Click is the most important thing and you know it louis http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
I agree with CBR. You don't need these features but it certainly doesn't hurt to learn them.

Golden box: Press Ctrl, right-click and drag the mouse to select all units inside the golden box that gets drawn. Can be helpful but is totally unnecessary.

Waypoints: If memory serves you hold Shift while left click to tell a unit to go to that way point, keep holding down the Shift while making other waypoint and the unit will go through these waypoints in turn. Could save time in sending units around the enemy army. I never use it myself so the Shift-thing might be inaccurate.

The two skills I consider important, but still not essential, before going online are:

Grouping units: Select multiple units (Ctrl-click) or the whole army (Ctrl-A) and press G. These units will now maintain their formation when you tell them to move. This is very important.

Changing facing: Alt-right click on the ground and all the selected units will face toward the clicked position. Very helpful if someone is going for your flank. Remember to do that with the army grouped as per above.

You should now have no excuse for not going online. I recommend you start with smaller games like 1v1 and if you join a game you might want to check that the others don't mind playing new guys like yourself. Some of the veterans get really grouchy and blame the newbies for all their voes. Hosting your own games and giving the games names that suggest you're new should help you to a better online experience.

Finally, high troop morale is the main thing in MP, so give your units high valour when purchasing.

I hope to see you on the field.

[R'as al Ghul]

Hi all

The Pause-button as Louis already stated was my worst enemy. Playing online I still hit this key from time to time. I just can't help it.
First time I was online I reacted to the enemy's charge with pressing P like a maniac and laughing out loud because all my troops routed almost immediately after impact. It was hilarious, couldn't stop laughing. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif
That way I wasn't gonna win any game, so I trained custom: Put the time on 10-15 % and see if you can beat the AI on xpert. But make sure to give the AI some proper troops and don't let it choose for itself.
Cheers

[Malcolm Big Head]

Do you need VI to play online? I have not yet purchased and installed. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif I will probably try some more practice vs. the AI before I go online to my slaughter.

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Either VI 2.01 or MTW 1.1



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Fancy stuff, sure, but you are better off knowing it that ignoring it. I like goldenboxing in Wood. And waypoint are very convenient for cavalry...

You can live without it. But the better your control is in non pause game, the easier it will be online.

You can also change your hotkey...

Whatever works for you.

For custom games; let's face it, the AI can't handle a missile duel properly, so give it easy missile to handle; the fast firing longbow kind of missile. Or play in early; the purpose is not so much to win, it's to get used to NO PAUSE, and improve army control.

Louis,

[Malcolm Big Head]

I need to practice the archer dual. The huge head is a big target.

[PanzerJaeger]

Swordmaster: You are using the VI cd key right, not your old mtw one? Have you installed the right patches? Did you put the correct spaces and caps in? Did you press enter afterward? Just a few suggestions....

*The beauty of the multiplayer experience is its dual complexity and simplicity. You can manage in most games without knowing many of the special controls, but if you really want to get good, youll probably pick most of them up on your way to greatness.

The average mp game is no less than a tactical masterpiece, not to be found in any other game. People who have written it off have truly missed out on at least half the fun of the game, imho.

[SwordsMaster]

OK, its the patch, i think, i havent downloaded anything, just played with the game as it is.I'll give it a try.
Thanks.

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

average mp game, a tactical masterpiece?

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Are we playing the same game?

The average MP games is really average. From time to time, one got the chance to have good allies and opponent and a possible good game.
Then, A couple of times of month, you may have a real good epic and interesting games.

Louis,

[PanzerJaeger]

I was refering to the game engine itself, you wont find that kind of gameplay in any game, no matter how the actual battle goes.

As for getting good/bad allies, its really over rated, unless of course its their first day, then u have reason to complain a bit, but hey, how many times does that actually happen? :P

In my games i beleive you should be more concerned with your own skills than those of your allies, even in 4v4; thus i dont believe in stacking allies... its not very fair.

[Agravain of Orkney]

Quote[/b] (Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe @ Mar. 26 2004,09:12)]average mp game, a tactical masterpiece?

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Are we playing the same game?

The average MP games is really average. From time to time, one got the chance to have good allies and opponent and a possible good game.
Then, A couple of times of month, you may have a real good epic and interesting games.
IMO, this is a big reason why a lot of players join fairly large clans, and why some veterans prefer smaller games like 1v1 or 2v2 with known allies and opponents.