Computer Gaming World Preview [Archive]

mercian billman

03-26-2004, 00:49

Besides the possibility of copyright infringement I don't have a scanner http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

First off the video is awesome. You can hear the sounds of arrows going through human flesh and swords hitting shields, the music is great I hope they have it in the game. The first part of the video is about one minute long it looks like a battle between Carthage and some Barbarians. The Barbarian archers shot at Spanish infantry (they looked like Legionnaires) then some Barbarian axeman charged into the line they got peppered with javelins and were stopped cold by the infantry. Then the Carthaginian General led a cavalry charge through the line which routed the Barbarians.

The second half looks like Gestaati(not sure of the spelling) march up a hill with a Roman legion on top of it supported by catapults. The Roman Generals horse bucks and he gives an order to fire the catapults and the Barbarians are torn to shreds.

Sir Robin

03-26-2004, 05:50

Is it a regular cd or one of those DVD cds?

Nelson

03-26-2004, 19:52

The film is an AVI that (on my machine at least) required the enclosed CODEC to watch with MS Media Player. It is not a DVD.

The movie is not one I had ever seen.

Rome is on the mag cover and the article is 5 or six pages IIRC. CGW has long been a fan of Total War so this is not surprising. They know a good thing when they see it.

Spino

03-26-2004, 20:14

As much as I hate CGW I think I'm going to have to pick this one up at the newstand. A video and 5-6 page spread of RTW seems like incentive enough to me.

By the way, is anyone here situated in Sweden? As I understand it this month's (or was it last month's?) issue of PC Gamer features a several page spread on RTW. It would be nice to get a summary of the article.

Sir Robin

03-26-2004, 21:48

There is a thread somewhere around here or on legiontotalwar with that.

That issue of CGW I don't think will hit the shelves until March 30th stateside.

I really should consider actually paying for a subscription one of these days.

Sir Robin

03-27-2004, 03:29

I was wrong.

Found it in a bookstore tonight...

Have not even read it completely yet but had to announce the news.

It lists the factions

"And here they are in particular order..."

The House of Julii
The House of Brutii
The House of Scipii
The Senate and the People of Rome
Macedon
Egypt
Seleucid Empire
Carthage
Parthia
Pontus
Gaul
Germania
Britannia
Armenia
Dacia
The Greek Cities
Numidia
Scythia
Iberia
Thrace

Since these are only twenty factions I guess the twenty-first will be the "rebels."

Back with more after I read the preview.

Aymar de Bois Mauri

03-27-2004, 04:21

Great info, Sir Robin http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thumbsup.gif

Somepeople are going to be happy about Pontus...

Sir Robin

03-27-2004, 04:37

More info...

There are strategic agents

The preview mentions spies, assassins, and diplomats.

There is also a little screenshot covering the greece and western turkey. Better looking overall.

Still something looks wierd. Same as earlier strategic screenshots. There is definately at least eight cities spread across the region.

There are also thirteen or fourteen villages/ports/??? they all seem to be close to or on the coastlines.

There also appear to be four "wonders of the ancient world" showing.

Possibly two fleet units as well. Little markers over water but I don't see any ship icons similar to army icons.

There don't seem to be any roads showing on the screenshot but there are rivers.

More later on the movie... something just doesn't look right.

Sir Robin

03-27-2004, 04:49

The movie is one minute twenty-one seconds long.

Much better non-synchronus action. Individual actions seem to be randomized far better than in earlier promo vids.

The oddest part is the first battle.

It shows parts of two battles.

The first has blue deer banner barbarians fighting a yellow/white or gold/silver faction with a corinthian(?) helmet symbol for their standard, maybe pontus?

The really wierd part is that the yellow/white faction is using imperial era roman legionaires in its front battle line http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

The yellow/white faction cavalry definately look macedonian-style but the infantry are definately "roman" legionaires.

Perhaps they are hired mercenaries or loaned roman troops?

The second battle has the House of Julii engaging the same blue deer barbarians.

Very good catapult impact affects.

They don't bounce thru the line like MTW catapults but they definately leave an "impression." http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

Scipio

03-27-2004, 05:06

Is their any possibility of you uploading the movie? You should know that Romans took alot of their weapons and armour ideas from other cultures so it isnt too weird... Btw this white looking legion does it look like the ones that are in my avatar?

Monk

03-27-2004, 05:13

Quote[/b] ]The really wierd part is that the yellow/white faction is using imperial era roman legionaires in its front battle line

If their culture is Greek then those are the Silver shields (i think thats their name), their from the Seleucid empire, they were a copy of Roman legions.

edit: spelling of Seleucid fixed

Sir Robin

03-27-2004, 05:43

Not sure if uploading the movie would be legal.

I can try if the moderators don't have a problem with it.

By the by has anyone ever heard a cd-rom go "kerthunk?"

Took ten minutes to get the Gladiator soundtrack out and it was definately chewed on. My other cds work fine though.

Guess my CDRom isn't a Russell Crowe fan. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

You mean your previous Carthaginian pick?

Nope these are straight from the Roman Legionaire 3d unit profile at the .com site.

Really threw me to realize I was looking at javelin throwing skirmishers, macedonian-styled cavalry, and roman legionaires.

They did have silverish shields though so they could have been the seleucids. For some reason I thought they were going to be colored green.

Monk

03-27-2004, 05:55

Quote[/b] (Sir Robin @ Mar. 26 2004,23:43)]They did have silverish shields though so they could have been the seleucids. For some reason I thought they were going to be colored green.
A while back there was a German mag that released a ton of info on rtw including 4 unit types, there was on that looked like a Roman legionnaire but he was yellow and carried a large silver shield. Someone who translated it informed us that the Units name was indeed "Silver shield" or something to that effect. Apparently they are a copy of Roman legions made by the Seleucids but their not as good as the originals.

Quote[/b] ]Not sure if uploading the movie would be legal.

I can try if the moderators don't have a problem with it.

I'm not sure about that, asking one of the mods would be the best thing to do.

The Wizard

03-27-2004, 16:15

BTW, I have the PCZone Benelux *sigh*

It does not give much interesting or great news, but it does provide two new screens. This is one of a Julii cavalry company riding through some shrubbery/trees and a shot of the campaign map in what seems to be the first turn.

In it, the player is House of Scipii and it has the city of Splonum, a 'huge city', and all of its production capacities. There is a garrisson commanded by a general, a 'governor', with the following stats:

Commmand
Management
Influence

Then there are a list of 'Ancilliaries' and 'Traits'. The garrisson is 1200 men strong and there are several interesting buttons. The camera is centered on northern Italy, where a Scipii army is standing in the middle of Julii territory, to the north of Senatorial territory, of which the sign is the known eagle's head, white on a purple flag.

Next to the Scipii sign is a little sun, and a sandtimer. Wonder what that is..? There are also two agents on the map, which, by the looks of it, move the same way as army icons do. There is also a Julii ship near a port, which seems to be a port and not a city with a port, and there is a castrum (Roman military encampment) belonging to the Senate and to the north of that a city with a bridge over a river.

Interesting...

BTW, the so-called "Silver Shields" are a generalisation made by CA, a single unit to cover all the imitation legionaries made by various factions, mainly the Seleucids, who had their elite, the Seleucid hypaspists, argiraspids become imitation legionaries. These argiraspids made many 'evolutions' during their existence, from phalanx-type units you see in Raphia to the so-called 'Silver Shields'. Then there were the Pontic imitation legionaries, created under Mithridates the Great. These were the two factions that made the greatest use of these imitation legionaries, but also in the Ptolemaic Empire, Thrace, and Illyria did the Marian legionary get imitated. Never as good as the original tho http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

~Wiz

7Bear7Polar

03-27-2004, 18:40

Did none of you all notice the TV show that will be based on Rome Total War from the BBC, it will be called Time Commanders and for the American audience renamed Total War. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

Spino

03-27-2004, 19:02

Just blew $8 on the latest issue of the Unholy Abomination known as Computer Gaming World. I immediately copied the video to my hard drive and played it...

OH http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

MY http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

GOODNESS http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-evilgrin.gif

Forgive my enthusiasm but the video is f_cking fantastic. The editing could have been better and the damn video could have been LONGER but it gives you an idea of how far things have progressed. The top highlight of the video is the sequence where the barbarians charge down the hill towards the Seleucid army and as they go from a run to full blown charge they let out a blood curdling cry and lift their spiked clubs above their head before smashing them down on the enemy... very, very cool.

It goes without saying that graphically speaking, things look excellent. Every single unit projected its own shadow on the ground. However, some of the units look no different than the ones they used in Time Commanders so I don't think the footage reflects the latest work done by CA's artists. From what I could tell the horses necks have been fixed but the horses themselves still look a bit off.

The sounds are excellent. The clang of swords and axes hitting shields and armor, the sounds of arrows being unleashed and whooshing through the air before striking home or being deflected, the firing of the catapaults, the yells and screams of men in combat and even the generals' respective guttural cries of "Charge" and "Fire" sound perfect.

The video quality is also excellent, Divx codec and about 28+ megs in size. To date it is one of the best quality videos taken of RTW's in-game footage. You can easily make out the smallest details and even the pixelation of the graphics caused by the resolution at which the game was played. Based on the pixelation I could swear they were playing the battles at 800x600, 1024x768 at the most.

However, in my opinion the best thing about the video is... the music It really pulls you into the battle unlike any track I've heard in the TW series so far. Most of you have heard the tune before; it is the same one CA used in their second official trailer (the one where the Greek hoplite screams "To the walls") but I could swear it has been modified to the point where it feels more orchestral and boosted with some more low frequency drums that rumble your gut when your speakers are cranked up to ridiculous levels (my dog was quite perturbed by the din after nearly 10 replays).

CA would do well to keep releasing videos like this until RTW is released. I fail to see how several videos like this one, released in time for E3 in May, would be a bad thing for CA. In my opinion these videos of in-game footage are the single most effective tool of generating a positive buzz for the game's eventual release. Screenshots and articles don't even come close.

I want it, I want it NOW

Aymar de Bois Mauri

03-27-2004, 21:00

Quote[/b] (The Wizard @ Mar. 27 2004,09:15)]There is also a Julii ship near a port, which seems to be a port and not a city with a port, and there is a castrum (Roman military encampment) belonging to the Senate and to the north of that a city with a bridge over a river.
Sorry, a castrum is not a Roman specific encampment. It's just a word for encampement. Lusitanians lived in small fortified villages called castros long before Rome reached the Iberian Peninsula. The origin for the name might not be Latin at all.

The Wizard

03-27-2004, 21:07

So this movie is of the same caliber of the second promo movie? That would be great, because the first time I saw that, I nearly spewed the water that was in my mouth all over the screen. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Edit:: Aymar, the fact that Lusitanians lived in fortified villages long before Romans called their army encampments castra, from which the Portuguese word castro(?) is derived btw, does anything to derive from the fact that a castrum was a Roman army encampment? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

~Wiz

Aymar de Bois Mauri

03-27-2004, 23:49

Quote[/b] (The Wizard @ Mar. 27 2004,14:07)]Edit:: Aymar, the fact that Lusitanians lived in fortified villages long before Romans called their army encampments castra, from which the Portuguese word castro(?) is derived btw, does anything to derive from the fact that a castrum was a Roman army encampment? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif
I don't want to sound like a boring pompous a**, but what I meant was that castra (or castrum) are linguistic adaptations of castro with the same meaning, not specific to Romans. You should have said:

castrum - military encampment

Not:

castrum - Roman military encampment

See the difference? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif

Although, I must say, castro was a fortified village not specifically a military encampment, so you might be right. It might be a Latin linguistic adaptation with a different meaning... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-thinking.gif

Yes, you're probably right. I shouldn't have nagged you with this... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-embarassed.gif

The Wizard

03-28-2004, 00:30

What I meant was that castrum is latin for 'military camp'. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

~Wiz

Spino

03-28-2004, 01:33

Quote[/b] ]So this movie is of the same caliber of the second promo movie? That would be great, because the first time I saw that, I nearly spewed the water that was in my mouth all over the screen.

If that's the case I would refrain from imbibing any sort of liquid refreshment while watching this one... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Seriously though, this video is not as varied or well edited as the 2nd promo you mentioned but it's got chills, thrills, not a stitch of pre-rendered cinematics and most of all that fantastic soundtrack thundering underneath all the action. The action isn't any different from the stuff we've seen on Time Commanders but it's in your face and and serves as a definite reminder of the epic fun in store for us this Fall.

Just as an FYI, the units in both battle sequences seem to be of normal size, as in Medieval's default unit size. The Silver Shields are arrayed in 100 man units (not counting the officer on their left flank). The barbarian infantry units seem to be larger than the Silver Shields but exactly how many is hard to tell since they're deployed in haphazard mobs. The barbarian archers and Seleucid peltasts seem to vary in number; some are around 40 strong, others around 60 and a few seem to be in the 80 man range. One thing is for sure is that I will be enabling double sized units (or larger) to give battles more of an epic feel... provided of course that my system can handle the load. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Aymar de Bois Mauri

03-28-2004, 12:33

Quote[/b] (The Wizard @ Mar. 27 2004,17:30)]What I meant was that castrum is latin for 'military camp'. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

~Wiz
Well, Wiz... It seems that I really am a boring pompous a**, and to add insult to injury, an ignorant one too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-cry.gif

I forgot the most basic rule of all:

-Before you make a claim, you better have your homework done.

This is the definition from a Portuguese language dictionary:

Castro - Castelo, fortificação (latin castrum).

Castro is the Portuguese word derived from the Latin one Castrum, both meaning the same: fortification.

Problem is: in Portugal, the word is only used to designate pre-Roman fortifications, so, stupidly, I associated it with a word from the original Lusitanian dialect, forgetting that it has been extinct since Roman colonization. So, the word is not from Lusitanian ascendency, but an adaptation from the word Romans used to designate fortification... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-oops.gif

I'm sooooooooo http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-embarassed.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-embarassed.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-embarassed.gif

I must ask for your pardon and then proced to my chambers to flay http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-whip.gif myself for my arrogance and stupidity, while trying to beat http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif some sense in to my mind...

Kraxis

03-28-2004, 13:28

Me want me want ME WANT

Oh it sounds great The charge of the barbs sounds really great.

Btw, the stag on blue are the Britons (by elimination, as Gauls are red boar and green and Germans are dragon on red).

The Wizard

03-28-2004, 13:47

'Tis of no concern, Aymar. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

~Wiz

Sir Robin

03-28-2004, 16:30

There is a blurb about a campaign on a "demo-build" version of RTW. I am going to type it in because it does give a good starting impression of how the strategic game will be.

The little-known campaign of Flavius Majoris

A minor side note in the annals of history is the short-lived reign of Darius "Flavius Majoris" Gladstonicus. Take this brief example of the swift-and evil-precision with which he claimed the Roman Empire for himself:

Eschewing the tutorial, a scout, assassin, and diplomat made their way to a neighboring city. As I spent a few turns rallying troops and positioning two armies, I had my diplomat give my demands: In exchange for not attacking, I am to receive 1,000,000 dinari and trading rights. If I could have, I'd have asked for a couple hundred vestal virgins as well. Ah well.

The Gauls scoffed, offering only 475 dinari. Deal OK, so I'm not the best negotiator. Next my scout came in to see which armies these cheapos had. Enough to be a challenge. Then came my assassin. Sneaking behind enemy lines, he successfully dispatched the Gaul leader. That was the cue to pounce on both sides of the city in a perfect pincer attack.

The remaining defenders were rounded up and summarily executed. My wrath is mighty.

Wow I am drooling over this game.

My wife has officially stated, for the record, that I am obsessed with RTW.

Hopefully the vestal virgin feature will be worked into the expansion. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Aymar de Bois Mauri

03-28-2004, 17:47

Quote[/b] (The Wizard @ Mar. 28 2004,06:47)]'Tis of no concern, Aymar. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

~Wiz
Thank you for your kind words, Lord Wiz http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ht_bow.gif

Monk

03-28-2004, 22:15

Finally saw the movie...and all i can say is this: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/jawdrop.gif

thats all i can say.....

Kraxis

03-28-2004, 22:30

Quote[/b] (Monk @ Mar. 28 2004,15:15)]Finally saw the movie...and all i can say is this: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/jawdrop.gif

thats all i can say.....
Damned tease http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Monk

03-28-2004, 22:35

Quote[/b] (Kraxis @ Mar. 28 2004,16:30)]
Quote[/b] (Monk @ Mar. 28 2004,15:15)]Finally saw the movie...and all i can say is this: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/jawdrop.gif

thats all i can say.....
Damned tease http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
If you have an account at TWC then you can go there and download the vid, that's where i saw it.

you should already have an account as they put Time commanders vids up all the time http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

The_Emperor

03-28-2004, 22:36

Come on guys. Someone post it

Monk

03-28-2004, 22:37

Quote[/b] (Monk @ Mar. 28 2004,16:35)]
Quote[/b] (Kraxis @ Mar. 28 2004,16:30)]
Quote[/b] (Monk @ Mar. 28 2004,15:15)]Finally saw the movie...and all i can say is this: http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/jawdrop.gif

thats all i can say.....
Damned tease http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
If you have an account at TWC then you can go there and download the vid, that's where i saw it.

you should already have an account as they put Time commanders vids up all the time http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
heh quoted myself...but that's where it is http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

The_Emperor

03-28-2004, 22:40

damn, I don't have one.

Monk

03-28-2004, 22:41

Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ Mar. 28 2004,16:40)]damn, I don't have one.
you can use mine

if you want i'll pm you my info

Kraxis

03-28-2004, 23:11

Hm... I checked not so long ago... odd I didn't see it. Thanks Monk.

Scipio

03-28-2004, 23:17

Hey anybody know any good avi players? or avi->mpeg converters?

The_Emperor

03-28-2004, 23:18

Quote[/b] (Monk @ Mar. 28 2004,21:41)]
Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ Mar. 28 2004,16:40)]damn, I don't have one.
you can use mine

if you want i'll pm you my info
Thats ok I have just registered.

Downloading now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Monk

03-28-2004, 23:19

Quote[/b] (Scipio @ Mar. 28 2004,17:17)]Hey anybody know any good avi players? or avi->mpeg converters?
i use videolan. its a nice little program that plays all the TC vids and this trailer.

www.videolan.org (http://www.videolan.org/)

and it's free

Kraxis

03-29-2004, 14:53

The video is great... greater... greatest I think I played it 15 times in a row. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

But one thing I find sad is that the Chosen Axemen are in... And the biker outfit is still there to an extent. I hope this is just an old engine...

The Wizard

03-29-2004, 16:02

My my, I'm downloading, and trust me Spino, I'm keeping away from beverages. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

~Wiz

The_Emperor

03-29-2004, 18:37

Quote[/b] (Kraxis @ Mar. 29 2004,13:53)]The video is great... greater... greatest I think I played it 15 times in a row. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

But one thing I find sad is that the Chosen Axemen are in... And the biker outfit is still there to an extent. I hope this is just an old engine...
it looks like it, when I paused the vid and looked at the Horse used by the Julii General it almost looked like one of the old TC ones with a long Neck (or was that the camera angle?)

I really hope the 'Chosen Axemen' and those 'Berserkers' don't make it in...

The Wizard

03-29-2004, 18:39

Nah, they are just generalisations of real-life units. 'Chosen Axemen' were there alright, but they didn't fight in units nor did they have such absurdly large axes. ;)

~Wiz

Aymar de Bois Mauri

03-29-2004, 19:48

The video is fun, but just that. It has really good sound, but not good video editing. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-no.gif

The Wizard

03-29-2004, 21:16

I think it's quite the other way round, actually... good animations and such, but the music wasn't as good as the standard version of that theme.

It wasn't as good as the second promo movie though.

Also, I think that this is a slightly later version of the game than TC, it looks more varied in combat. They still have to work on those pretty bland maps, imo. That is, if they aren't already better. TC's version of the game is alpha, 9 or 10 months out of date, and it still looks bloody amazing. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

~Wiz

alman9898

03-29-2004, 22:04

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/jawdrop.gif

The only part I disliked was that the generals yelled in english rather than latin or greek but nevertheless the fact that they screamed "CHARGE" in addition to the remarkable graphics is just... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/jawdrop.gif

RisingSun

03-29-2004, 23:38

Looking at the scanned article, I see two, no three bits of great news First- There is already another TW game in the works http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif Second- No mention fo the silly "Romans first" rule Third- The Campaign map looks much much better

mercian billman

03-29-2004, 23:51

The screams should have been in Latin or Greek but I still loved the guttoral sound of it.

Monk

03-30-2004, 03:58

Quote[/b] ]Second- No mention fo the silly "Romans first" rule

it would not surprise me if PCG made that up...Gah they always do stuff like that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif

Catiline

03-30-2004, 12:26

To clarify my standpoint and approach to the posting of the scans and video etc

The forum guidelines read as follows:-

Quote[/b] ]Posting of copyrighted material, unless the copyright is owned by you or by The Guild, is discouraged.

Given that we had complaints from PC Gamer when this happened to one of their articles before posts containing the images, or links to them will be edited, and those images or links removed.

Discussion of content is fine, violation of copyright is not.

Aymar de Bois Mauri

03-31-2004, 15:43

Quote[/b] (mercian billman @ Mar. 29 2004,16:51)]The screams should have been in Latin or Greek but I still loved the guttoral sound of it.
I agree entirelly. It would sound much better. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

Basileus

03-31-2004, 15:59

Im extatic with the news about Pontus and about the vid which looks great, /jumbs in hes timemachine and travels a few months ahead and steals a copy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

Aymar de Bois Mauri

03-31-2004, 16:30

Quote[/b] (Basileus @ Mar. 31 2004,08:59)]Im extatic with the news about Pontus and about the vid which looks great, /jumbs in hes timemachine and travels a few months ahead and steals a copy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif
Got one for me? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif

Kraxis

03-31-2004, 16:51

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Mar. 31 2004,09:30)]
Quote[/b] (Basileus @ Mar. 31 2004,08:59)]Im extatic with the news about Pontus and about the vid which looks great, /jumbs in hes timemachine and travels a few months ahead and steals a copy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif
Got one for me? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif
Don't mind Aymar... He doesn't want one. Check out the poll. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Swoosh So

03-31-2004, 17:45

Where can i get this video? please no abbreviatons....

Big King Sanctaphrax

03-31-2004, 18:03

The Total War centre's downloads page, I think.

The_Emperor

03-31-2004, 18:21

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Mar. 31 2004,14:43)]
Quote[/b] (mercian billman @ Mar. 29 2004,16:51)]The screams should have been in Latin or Greek but I still loved the guttoral sound of it.
I agree entirelly. It would sound much better. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif
Yes but what language would we have for the other factions?

Imagine the Celtic Barbarians... Do we even know what language they spoke? (or will it all just be GRRRRR when we tell them to do something)

Carthage, anyone fluent in 'Punic'?

English (or whatever language the game appears in) may be a better choice for some factions...

Aymar de Bois Mauri

03-31-2004, 18:32

Quote[/b] (The Wizard @ Mar. 29 2004,14:16)]I think it's quite the other way round, actually... good animations and such, but the music wasn't as good as the standard version of that theme.

~Wiz
I wasn't speaking about unit animations. I was just talking about video editing. It's sloopy, with cuts were they shouldn't be...

Aymar de Bois Mauri

03-31-2004, 18:33

Quote[/b] (Kraxis @ Mar. 31 2004,09:51)]
Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Mar. 31 2004,09:30)]
Quote[/b] (Basileus @ Mar. 31 2004,08:59)]Im extatic with the news about Pontus and about the vid which looks great, /jumbs in hes timemachine and travels a few months ahead and steals a copy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif
Got one for me? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif
Don't mind Aymar... He doesn't want one. Check out the poll. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
What pool? I voted yes... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif

Aymar de Bois Mauri

03-31-2004, 19:06

Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ Mar. 31 2004,11:21)]
Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ Mar. 31 2004,14:43)]
Quote[/b] (mercian billman @ Mar. 29 2004,16:51)]The screams should have been in Latin or Greek but I still loved the guttoral sound of it.
I agree entirelly. It would sound much better. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif
Yes but what language would we have for the other factions?

Imagine the Celtic Barbarians... Do we even know what language they spoke? (or will it all just be GRRRRR when we tell them to do something)

Carthage, anyone fluent in 'Punic'?

English (or whatever language the game appears in) may be a better choice for some factions...
Nope. You English-centric guys. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-no.gif

We consult specialists. Mel did a good job on "exotic dead" languages in The Passion of Christ. Although, I have to admit that they are far more documented than Celtic dialects... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

Kraxis

03-31-2004, 21:10

Well it was a bit anoying when the Byzantines spoke russian in MTW and all catholics spoke latin with a heavy english accent...

But since it will be very hard with most of the languages (try inventing scythian, dacian, iberian or even celtic), then I think CA has chosen the english line so that they will not have to put up with people going:
"My God I can't believe he is not saying Z when ordering troops to shoot but actually saying Y... Geez CA FIX THIS"

Remember how many people complained about AOK and its languages despite it was a very detailed and correct presentation in general. The Britons actually did speak an old form of english, the vikings spoke a good version of old scandinavian ect ect... I can just imagine how the developers would have silently just given up. They work hard to give a small detail to the game and people still complain about it.
I can perfectly understand CA if it is going to be english (hoping for accents at least, like in Shogun), though my wish is for the real deal.
Also, I prefer fully english to some factions with the ancient languages and others having something strange out of place.

Aymar de Bois Mauri

03-31-2004, 22:07

Quote[/b] (Kraxis @ Mar. 31 2004,14:10)]Well it was a bit anoying when the Byzantines spoke russian in MTW and all catholics spoke latin with a heavy english accent...

But since it will be very hard with most of the languages (try inventing scythian, dacian, iberian or even celtic), then I think CA has chosen the english line so that they will not have to put up with people going:
"My God I can't believe he is not saying Z when ordering troops to shoot but actually saying Y... Geez CA FIX THIS"

Remember how many people complained about AOK and its languages despite it was a very detailed and correct presentation in general. The Britons actually did speak an old form of english, the vikings spoke a good version of old scandinavian ect ect... I can just imagine how the developers would have silently just given up. They work hard to give a small detail to the game and people still complain about it.
I can perfectly understand CA if it is going to be english (hoping for accents at least, like in Shogun), though my wish is for the real deal.
Also, I prefer fully english to some factions with the ancient languages and others having something strange out of place.
But you must remember that TW games aren't RPG. You only need to have some very basic lines and words. Nothing else. No need for elaborate speech. Therefore it makes it much easier (or less dificult) to get the correct words spoken, by each faction, in those days...