Ghazi infantry

[Hakeem928]

I always play the Turks on Early whenever I campaign, and usually my armies consist of 6 Saracen Infantry backed by 3 Armenian Heavy Cavalry and 3 Turcoman Horse. Just the other day, I decided to produce some Ghazi Infantry for fun to see what they were like.

Well I fought a battle against the Byzantines and my army usually has a problem defeating Byzantine Infantry. They were firmly entrenched on a hill, as was I, so I ran my Turcoman Horse over to skirmish and try to draw them out of position. It worked and two units of Byzantine Infantry broke off to chase my Turcoman. I lead them over to my position and positioned my Ghazi for an attack. I split my Turcoman off to the side and, as the Byzantine Infantry came up the hill, I charged my Ghazi down into them head on. Within less than two seconds they dropped over 20 men and began to rout I brang my Turcoman back in to cut off their escape and I absolutely slaughtered them

All I could think was WOW, these Ghazi are great (if used properly) They make great flankers and can slaughter anything if they charge down a hill. Suffice it to say, they're no part of my standard army stack, which now consists of 4 Saracen Infantry, 2 Ghazi Infantry, 3 Armenian Haavy Cavalry, and 3 Turcoman Horse.

Does anyone else feel this way about the Ghazis?

[ichi]

Ghazi come from the factory stock with very morale (6 i think) and high attack but very poor defense and armor. They have trouble taking a big cav charge, but. . .

I like to give them a little armor and put em with my lower valor general - they do really good as flankers and shock troops, but they can take heavy losses.

Put em with a high valor gen to make monsters out of them.

ichi

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Aye. As flankers, they do pretty well even against heavy mounted knights. Don't let them to be attacked, always they should be the ones to attack.
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[Cebei]

They are somewhere around Berserkers. At least they work with the same principle. Get too angry to the extent of mindlesness and wave your axe thinking that it is a light sabre. If only they were historically correct. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-no.gif

[bighairyman]

Quote[/b] (Cebei @ Mar. 28 2004,17:37)]They are somewhere around Berserkers. At least they work with the same principle. Get too angry to the extent of mindlesness and wave your axe thinking that it is a light sabre. If only they were historically correct. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-no.gif
Right, i used them like i use berserker's. I also like to give them some armor, and when companioned by a 9-star general, well they spread death across he battlefield. They do die a lot, i often have to retrain them after the battle. Use them for offensive roles, they're not very good defenders. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Mouzafphaerre]

Quote[/b] (bighairyman @ Mar. 29 2004,01:46)]...they're not very good defenders. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
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Unless they are attacking in defensive battles. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
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[Doug-Thompson]

Ghazi are great against armored troops because of an anti-armor bonus. They can destroy unarmored units too, but then they're wiped out after having destroyed some cheap, unarmored infantry

[son of spam]

The most important thing I learned when using ghazis is that you shouldn't countercharge knights http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ht_charge.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ht_knight.gif


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Wow even with 6 morale and a armor upgrade those ghazis got chopped down like peasents.

[katank]

charge em against katanks head on and be ready for a good laugh as they get swatted down like flies.

They are real fire and forget missiles for muslims. Turks get discount for em so pump em out.

build them in const. for silver armor so some actually make it back alive.

use em for flanking and they are absolutely devastating.

sky high morale means they don't mind casualties and fight till last man most of the time.

they are really impetuous though and make knights look cautious.

I can't tell you the number of times I set up for a nice ambush in the woods and when I wasn't looking, these ghazis starting charging out into enemy heavy cav head on and gets slaughtered promptly with no back up.

they aren't as vulnerable to missiles as berserkers due to large shield.

still, defence is horrible. get em to V3+ though and they really kill.

BTW, they are similar to Gallows in case anyone cares.

[squippy]

Ghazi's rock. Yes the casualty rate is very high, but they are indispensable in the Turkish army roster. Now that I undrestand their effectiveness, I make more or a point of using archers against them as a christian faction. A ghazi-saracen inf combo is more than most western heavy cav can handle, though.

[The_Emperor]

Ghazi's are expendable shock troops.

Designed to wreak havoc on the flanks, they kill well but also Die well...

Personally I would have the Frontline of Saracens, and the Ghazis would make up the second wave, once the frontline is engaged and Fixing the enemy in place the Ghazis run in and kill mericlessly.

They are great at dishing it out, but they can't take it and sometimes I get very tired of retraining them

[Wild Bill Kelso]

you can always try this, I find it works well from time to time. Have about 3 ghazi in the front, yes front of your infantry line with some saracen close behind. Spread out the ghazi fairly thin, about 2 ranks deep and charge them at the enemy front line, with the saracen charging close behind, the ghazi will hit the enemy front line and cause signifigant push back and casualties, by the time the enemy front line recovers from the intial charge, your havily armoured saracens are there to support the ghazi. you will lose most if not all of you Ghazi (they will usually fight to the last man as they get the moral bonus form friendlies bieng behind, but they will do more than thier share of damage to the enemy. They even work better this way if they have a weapon bonus. They can get up to 9* attack

[Ironside]

Citera[/b] ]Wow even with 6 morale and a armor upgrade those ghazis got chopped down like peasents.


Well they got the same defense as peasants http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif , they only got a big shield too.


Citera[/b] ]They can get up to 9* attack

And that 0 in defense http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif .

But yes, they are great.