New Unit - German Night Raiders

[Barkhorn1x]

(and yea I'm back, biatches http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif )

New unit at the .COM. Go and see.

Barkhorn.

[Basileus]

this the black ops of the ancients hehe, looks like a cruel unit http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif

[Rosacrux]

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[Dead Moroz]

Is this unit the one who set Reichstag on fire in 1933? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-clown.gif

Hope CA will make German Day Sleepers to balance the game.

And that's the list of other German units I want to have in RTW:
- German Naked Runner
- German Aloud Screamer
- German Beer Drinker
- Bavarian Sausage Eater
- And special secret units: Parsifal and Lohengrin

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[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Dead Moroz @ April 02 2004,07:55)]Is this unit the one who set Reichstag on fire in 1933? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-clown.gif

Hope CA will make German Day Sleepers to balance the game.

And that's the list of other German units I want to have in RTW:
- German Naked Runner
- German Aloud Screamer
- German Beer Drinker
- Bavarian Sausage Eater
- And special secret units: Parsifal and Lohengrin

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I don't know if this is based on history, but this one looks better than Iberian Bull Warrior or Briton Druid.

[Trax]

This thread explains the existance of this unit in RTW, CA listens us afterall http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin....41;st=0 (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=19;t=11441;st=0)

[Rosacrux]

Goodnes, yesterday my wife came in home with a Zebra haircup and now... this http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

how many schocks can a human mind undergo before burning down?) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Trax @ April 02 2004,08:08)]This thread explains the existance of this unit in RTW, CA listens us afterall http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin....41;st=0 (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=19;t=11441;st=0)
Good to know. There is hope after all.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I think they look quite cool actually. If there slighty inaccurate historically i'm not to bothered.

[Kongamato]

Nice sunglasses. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[PSYCHO]

OK..seems CA have drawn heavily from Tacitus' 'Agricola and Germania' with this one. My 2 bob for what it's worth:

The Bad:

* Biggest bug bar is still this "barbarian" naming system. These are, for all intents and purposes, Harii Infantry. Why not call them that? We don't get "Roman Light Spear Chucker Guys" (Velites), "Roman Old Timers with big spears" (Triarii), ...or "Gay lovers who like long pointy things" (Spartans) etc etc so why do we get these dumbed down, strictly attribute based names for the "Barbarians"?

* The hair style and facial hair are very Gallic. Something akin the German Warband unit already seen would be better. Given the region they came from, the hair was generally worn in a simple pony tail at the back of the head. CA needs to show the pronounce cultural differences between Celts and Germans imho.

* The shield, axe and paint scheme are not ideal imho but these are only minor points that can be lived with.

* Not enough info about night battles http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif


The Good:

* Another historically based unit

* A historically based unit given to the right faction

* A historically accurate descript

* Germans rather than Celts with axes for once hallelujah

* Historical German Red (dyed) Hair

* A good go at a difficult unit, esp given the faction colouring scheme constraints.


If CA could modify the facial hair and hair style this unit would be as close as you could ever expect. Thumbs up http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif Good job CA

[alman9898]

I agree, Harii Infantry sounds better than German Night Raider... I think they just used night raiders to give the average gamer an idea what this unit does... not as many people will know what the harii infantry does.

[RisingSun]

But Harii infantry is a Latin name anyway, is it not? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[[DnC]]

Citaat[/b] (alman9898 @ April 02 2004,11:16)]I agree, Harii Infantry sounds better than German Night Raider... I think they just used night raiders to give the average gamer an idea what this unit does... not as many people will know what the harii infantry does.
That's what the description is for, is it not? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Just give them more proper names and describe them in the description as to what the unit does and maybe even give a (rough) english translation for the name of said unit.

Seems the best way to go in my eyes.

[alman9898]

Quote[/b] (RisingSun @ April 02 2004,16:17)]But Harii infantry is a Latin name anyway, is it not? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
And german night raiders is english. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[spmetla]

Quote[/b] ]Quote (RisingSun @ April 02 2004,16:17)
But Harii infantry is a Latin name anyway, is it not?

And german night raiders is english.


And English is based off German http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif So how about Deutsche Nacht Krieger http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[Kraxis]

What??? Nobody going off like a bomb here? What is going on? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

The name is perhaps not too great given CA's prior willingness to use names that gives a better 'feeling', rather than a desciptive one. I mean a unit named Mamluke Cavalry just feels better than Muslim Axecavalry, even if Mamlukes didn't have units like the Mamluke Cavalry.
So I support the Harii name, even it too is incorrect, it just feels better. Also I have learned a bit from searching on the names I knew nothing of, like Nizari and Futuwwa for instance... This should be the case again.

But I fear that in many cases it would be unfair to give a unit a specific name. Like the Naked Fanatics, I thought that Gaesatae would be perfect, but considering that they were far from the only gaulish guys that went naked into a fight, I have to supprt the 'naked' name.
Most likely there were other nightfighters than the Harii but we know too little of them, so the name fits.

I like this unit... and I like how much they have actually followed the ancient desciption of them. Perfect. Good case of historical interesting unit that is a bit strange in conventional ways.

[oblivious maximus]

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[PSYCHO]

Anyone checked out Res Romana for the 3rd. Taunting is in ..including shouting, "rude jestures" and mooning http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[The_678]

Could someone post the description and picture because for some reason the thing aint working for me again. I get the rest of them but when I press advance on the British Druids it does nothing. This happened last time for me too with the Druids.

[oblivious maximus]

Not really much to it. You take Pippi Longstocking, give her a little axe and shield. Throw some black paint across her eyes,add black biker chaps.. there.

[Nowake]

Actually, I think it would be better to support the name of Harii infantry. It doesn't matter that much who composed the warbands of night raiders, it is about the fighting style. And if the Harii were renowned for that, than they should have the name. You can have them as Harii followers or something like that.

If Germany is treated like a country, and not like it was, a collection of rival tribes, some regional flavour would only do good. For example, raising night raiders from lands that belonged to the harii would give them a bonus etc.

[Kraxis]

Quote[/b] (Nowake @ April 02 2004,23:39)]Actually, I think it would be better to support the name of Harii infantry. It doesn't matter that much who composed the warbands of night raiders, it is about the fighting style. And if the Harii were renowned for that, than they should have the name. You can have them as Harii followers or something like that.

If Germany is treated like a country, and not like it was, a collection of rival tribes, some regional flavour would only do good. For example, raising night raiders from lands that belonged to the harii would give them a bonus etc.
I fully support you in thise instance, I just don't consider all cases equal (hence the mention of the Naked guys).

oblivious maximus, you seem more than just a little negative about the unit. Care to explain?

[oblivious maximus]

Kraxis, that unit actually doesnt look that bad and certainly no offense to who created it. But that name,German Night Raider??? Who inspired that, David Hasselhoff?

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (oblivious maximus @ April 03 2004,11:13)]But that name,German Night Raider??? Who inspired that, David Hasselhoff?
ROTFL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif KITT is coming you way...

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Nowake @ April 02 2004,23:39)]Actually, I think it would be better to support the name of Harii infantry. It doesn't matter that much who composed the warbands of night raiders, it is about the fighting style. And if the Harii were renowned for that, than they should have the name. You can have them as Harii followers or something like that.

If Germany is treated like a country, and not like it was, a collection of rival tribes, some regional flavour would only do good. For example, raising night raiders from lands that belonged to the harii would give them a bonus etc.
I agree too. In fact, unless there is an apropriate indigenous name, all "Barbarian" units should be called by the names the Roman called them (Soldurii, Harii, Gaestatii, Ambacti, Coetrati, etc...). After all, the name of the game is: Rome Total War...

[longjohn2]

The in game name will be "Night Raiders". Similarly other recent units will be named "Druids" and "Bull Warriors".

It's nice to have some units given obscure ancient names to add flavour, but if all the units were named that way, it'd be very confusing for the 99% of our customers who aren't experts on ancient warfare.

[rory_20_uk]

LOL - hit the nail on the head here http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

After all, you are trying to seel the game to everyone, not this motley collection is history freaks http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (longjohn2 @ April 05 2004,04:17)]The in game name will be "Night Raiders". Similarly other recent units will be named "Druids" and "Bull Warriors".
What is the historical base to call them something ludicrous like "BULL WARRIOR"? And putting those ridiculous horns with the Egyptian Isis symbol in the helmet? What is the historical basis for that ludicrous item? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (rory_20_uk @ April 05 2004,04:31)]LOL - hit the nail on the head here http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

After all, you are trying to seel the game to everyone, not this motley collection is history freaks http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif
Funny you say that, since the guys who always buy the games and expansions immediatelly, therefore creating the idea of a successefull game, are these "history freaks". Besides, a game, only after being successefull, is bought by the "99% (ridiculous number BTW) of our customers who aren't experts on ancient warfare." http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

[Ellesthyan]

I disagree. I don't think calling the German night raiders Harii Infantry will create any more confusing than there is already. Everyone will have problems with the name, but they will also have problems with the names of units that ARE already named historically.

But, is that bad? Is it bad that you have to check in the description first before you know what the unit does? Not necessarily.
In Medieval Total War this is mainly avoided. not many are historically named, and even then their sole picture will provide most you need to know. (for example, Jomsvikings, Mameluke Cavalry, Avar Nobles, Kataphraktoi, etc.)
However, will the picture of these Night Raiders be confusing? Will their description be confusing? Is the name Harii not logically and unhandy? I doubt it. The picture in combination with the description should provide all the info you need, and creating that is quite an easy task. If you use units WITHOUT reading the description you shouldn't have bought this game in the first place, and besides that you won't need a specialized unit like these night raiders.

Harii Infantry. I'll give you that, it's not the easiest name. But the picture of these strange infantry will be enough to identify them. The name Harii now has a meaning: Nekkid Germans with black warpaint. More information is available. The name German Night Raiders gives a tiny little bit more info; they are night raiders. But that info is according to what it actually does not really appropriate (It's role is to frighten, attacking at night is secondary). Therefore it's even confusing, and will make the user lose important information. The name Harii ensures everyone will first have to check what it does. After they know "Harii = Nekkid Germans with axe who can frighten infantry" they'll know it later.

An example now. Imagine me being a man who knows next to nothing about history, but has played a few games as the Germans.
"Ok... I'll get my warbands in the middle, some heavy cavalry on the left and a few harii on the other flank."
Ok. Harii. It's not really handy. That's true. BUT. That heavy cavalry I'm using, yeah that on the left flank, I DO NOT NAME IT I call it heavy cavalry. It has an other name. A difficult, historical name. I don't care, I like it having an historical name. It's easier to call them heavy cavalry tho, as I've just read in the description (and I'm seeing obviously a heavily armored cavalry unit) and I know they can fulfill the role of heavy cavalry.
I'm seeing now the Harii unit for the first time. "Hm... Harii?? Meh doesn't say nuthin... Lessee, Nekkid Germans with black paint and an axe. Description... Cool, they frighten infantry I'll use them as flankers next turn *evil grin*"
What's wrong with that? I'm happy because I like this cool unit. I don't really care about the name, because I can easily give it a name myself
I'm seeing now the German Night Raider unit for the first time. "Hm... German Night Raiders... Probably is a light unit (raiders) that can strike well at night. Cool, they've got some black warpaint too I can't use them tho, as I'm fighting in daylight http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif"

Another thing. You know Kataphraktoi in MTW right? Few people know them, and most of them only from age of empires II (including myself). Still, every player of MTW knows what you're talking about. Now I don't know if naming Kataphraktoi like that has scared newbies, but as an old age of empires player I liked seeing it there. Also, do you think that calling this very unit: Heavy Byzantine Cavalry would make me more happy? Certainly not I can find that out easily myself, thank you.

Generic units like spearmen and archers can be called just that, but Harii Infantry won't frighten anyone, as long as the picture and the description is clear. That is important, for that gives the real information. As I have shown you in my example, the name German Night Raider will only confuse me and force me to think in a way that is not meant to be walked.

There you have it. Harii Infantry IS better for everyone. Without it people will assume that its only use lies in raiding at night. NOT GOOD

[CBR]

Is it any different than Futuwwa, Murabitin, Muwahid, Nizari, Faris etc etc?

People quickly learn what a unit can and cant and having "exotic" names makes things a bit more interesting IMO.

How many people really know terms like principes or hastati.. not the "masses" anyway as they are not experts.


CBR

[hoom]

Quote[/b] ]it'd be very confusing for the 99% of our customers who aren't experts on ancient warfare
So ingame Triiari, Velites etc will be Roman Heavy Infantry, Roman Light Infantry etc for the likes of me who ain't a history freak? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-juggle.gif

[PSYCHO]

Quote[/b] (longjohn2 @ April 05 2004,04:17)]The in game name will be "Night Raiders". Similarly other recent units will be named "Druids" and "Bull Warriors".

It's nice to have some units given obscure ancient names to add flavour, but if all the units were named that way, it'd be very confusing for the 99% of our customers who aren't experts on ancient warfare.



Confusing for the 99%? Come on, give your customers / clientele a little bit more credit please.
...and Longjohn, you still will have the descriptions? Did anyone get confused with Yari Samurai in STW?...anyone confused with Janissary Infantry in MTW? So why can’t we see something as simple as Harii Infantry instead of the “German Night Raiders”? Even the most historically ignorant, semi-literate person can identify with the more ‘accurate’ unit names, despite the level of "obscurity". As long as you can keep the names succinct and have adequate descripts, there is no need for the simplistic names.

Further, some of these names so far mentioned for the Britons and Germans are bordering on cheesy kiddy stuff that only diminishes unit credibility and period ambience. CA seems to have given the Romans and Greeks the more historical / accurate / "obscure" names, why not the Celts and Germans? Part of the joy of the TW series is the chance to see a reflection of a period through the eyes of those that lived through it. I still chuckle at the thought of the Spanish emissary in STW. In STW & MTW I loved discovering what each unit was and what they did, thinking this is how such a unit would probably be known to someone at the time. I doubt an ancient Briton would say “hay we need to get those British Druids down here pronto”.

For years and years the gaming industry has used overly simplistic generic ‘barbarian’ descripts as lazy short cuts for depicting Celts and Germans. CA are better than that, you guys have been researching this period for quite some time and as such we see some great accurate Roman units / stuff…but what about their arch enemies? With RTW setting to become the new bench mark for military strategy games, CA have an opportunity to bring these ancient people to life in wonderful 3D. For myself and many others here, the way CA handles the Celts and Germans will mean the difference between a bloody great game and Nirvana http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif

[Murmandamus]

Quote[/b] (longjohn2 @ April 05 2004,20:17)]The in game name will be "Night Raiders". Similarly other recent units will be named "Druids" and "Bull Warriors".

It's nice to have some units given obscure ancient names to add flavour, but if all the units were named that way, it'd be very confusing for the 99% of our customers who aren't experts on ancient warfare.
Yari Ashigaru, No Dachi, Naginata, Shinobi

I didn't know what these were but I soon learnt. That added to the value of the game IMO and gave me an added interest in the period represented. Have we lost intelligence since STW? What is your target market that you think we can't learn anything?

Your statement comes across as a little offensive to me. It's nothing to do with being an expert on ancient warfare. It's about giving people credit for intelligence.

[Dead Moroz]

Quote[/b] (longjohn2 @ April 05 2004,13:17)]The in game name will be "Night Raiders". Similarly other recent units will be named "Druids" and "Bull Warriors".

It's nice to have some units given obscure ancient names to add flavour, but if all the units were named that way, it'd be very confusing for the 99% of our customers who aren't experts on ancient warfare.
You are absolutely right I'm all on your side. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

You also have to rename the game. It must be "The game where you can fight 3D battles as Russell Crowe kicking ass of all those bearded naked screaming idiots you saw in 'Gladiator' movie".

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Murmandamus @ April 06 2004,02:11)]
Quote[/b] (longjohn2 @ April 05 2004,20:17)]The in game name will be "Night Raiders". Similarly other recent units will be named "Druids" and "Bull Warriors".

It's nice to have some units given obscure ancient names to add flavour, but if all the units were named that way, it'd be very confusing for the 99% of our customers who aren't experts on ancient warfare.
Yari Ashigaru, No Dachi, Naginata, Shinobi

I didn't know what these were but I soon learnt. That added to the value of the game IMO and gave me an added interest in the period represented. Have we lost intelligence since STW? What is your target market that you think we can't learn anything?

Your statement comes across as a little offensive to me. It's nothing to do with being an expert on ancient warfare. It's about giving people credit for intelligence.
BINGO http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

So CA, you do believe most of your clients are DUMBASSES? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-uhoh2.gif

Nice, CA, very nice... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif You're in for a great future... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-toilet.gif

[Steppe Merc]

Disagree Longjohn. While I agree most people are dumb, if they don't bother going onto forums and saying what they think, they don't deserve special consideration. While I understand Rome total war is trying to broden it's fan base with easier options http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif , doesn't mean they should dumb down the names.

[Gregoshi]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ April 06 2004,08:08)]So CA, you do believe most of your clients are DUMBASSES? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-uhoh2.gif
That is not what longjohn said. You are putting words into his mouth. "Confusion" does not equal "dumb". As for as the STW comparison, it is one thing to learn 10 strange unit names and what they do. It is a little different when there are 100. You can't fault CA for wanting to expand the market for their game and I'm sure the casual gamer wants to play a game, not learn Latin.

BTW, I'd prefer the historical names too, but I'm not going to belittle CA's concern. Hmmm, maybe an option: English or Latin/historical names?

[alman9898]

just make a compromise... some units can have their latin names, others with more "conventional" names... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Personally, I can live with Nightraiders and even prefer it over Hastatii(?) *hides from Aymar* but Bull Warrior?? Please. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-no.gif
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[Gregoshi]

Yeah, I'll agree that "Bull Warrior" is a bit over the top, but it won't ruin the game for me. If the game is as fun and cool as it appears to be, I can overlook a few bad names. Heck, I got used to "Thunder Bombers" which I didn't like one bit when MI came out. A couple of nifty explosions got me over that. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Ellesthyan @ April 05 2004,14:08)]I disagree. I don't think calling the German night raiders Harii Infantry will create any more confusing than there is already. Everyone will have problems with the name, but they will also have problems with the names of units that ARE already named historically.

But, is that bad? Is it bad that you have to check in the description first before you know what the unit does? Not necessarily.
In Medieval Total War this is mainly avoided. not many are historically named, and even then their sole picture will provide most you need to know. (for example, Jomsvikings, Mameluke Cavalry, Avar Nobles, Kataphraktoi, etc.)
However, will the picture of these Night Raiders be confusing? Will their description be confusing? Is the name Harii not logically and unhandy? I doubt it. The picture in combination with the description should provide all the info you need, and creating that is quite an easy task. If you use units WITHOUT reading the description you shouldn't have bought this game in the first place, and besides that you won't need a specialized unit like these night raiders.

Harii Infantry. I'll give you that, it's not the easiest name. But the picture of these strange infantry will be enough to identify them. The name Harii now has a meaning: Nekkid Germans with black warpaint. More information is available. The name German Night Raiders gives a tiny little bit more info; they are night raiders. But that info is according to what it actually does not really appropriate (It's role is to frighten, attacking at night is secondary). Therefore it's even confusing, and will make the user lose important information. The name Harii ensures everyone will first have to check what it does. After they know "Harii = Nekkid Germans with axe who can frighten infantry" they'll know it later.

An example now. Imagine me being a man who knows next to nothing about history, but has played a few games as the Germans.
"Ok... I'll get my warbands in the middle, some heavy cavalry on the left and a few harii on the other flank."
Ok. Harii. It's not really handy. That's true. BUT. That heavy cavalry I'm using, yeah that on the left flank, I DO NOT NAME IT I call it heavy cavalry. It has an other name. A difficult, historical name. I don't care, I like it having an historical name. It's easier to call them heavy cavalry tho, as I've just read in the description (and I'm seeing obviously a heavily armored cavalry unit) and I know they can fulfill the role of heavy cavalry.
I'm seeing now the Harii unit for the first time. "Hm... Harii?? Meh doesn't say nuthin... Lessee, Nekkid Germans with black paint and an axe. Description... Cool, they frighten infantry I'll use them as flankers next turn *evil grin*"
What's wrong with that? I'm happy because I like this cool unit. I don't really care about the name, because I can easily give it a name myself
I'm seeing now the German Night Raider unit for the first time. "Hm... German Night Raiders... Probably is a light unit (raiders) that can strike well at night. Cool, they've got some black warpaint too I can't use them tho, as I'm fighting in daylight http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif"

Another thing. You know Kataphraktoi in MTW right? Few people know them, and most of them only from age of empires II (including myself). Still, every player of MTW knows what you're talking about. Now I don't know if naming Kataphraktoi like that has scared newbies, but as an old age of empires player I liked seeing it there. Also, do you think that calling this very unit: Heavy Byzantine Cavalry would make me more happy? Certainly not I can find that out easily myself, thank you.

Generic units like spearmen and archers can be called just that, but Harii Infantry won't frighten anyone, as long as the picture and the description is clear. That is important, for that gives the real information. As I have shown you in my example, the name German Night Raider will only confuse me and force me to think in a way that is not meant to be walked.

There you have it. Harii Infantry IS better for everyone. Without it people will assume that its only use lies in raiding at night. NOT GOOD
Good post. Well spoken.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Dead Moroz @ April 06 2004,05:44)]You also have to rename the game. It must be "The game where you can fight 3D battles as Russell Crowe kicking ass of all those bearded naked screaming idiots you saw in 'Gladiator' movie".
ROTFL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-laugh4.gif Nice sarcasm... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[Shahed]

Can we have Night Vixens while we are at it ? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[The Sword of Cao Cao]

Ok, why not have an option to have more historical latin names or "basic" names in the Options menu? And if we dont get our Harii, we can always make a mod that gives us the latin names. That cant prove too difficult to the geniuses running around here.

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