Urban Sprawl a la Roma

[Vanya]

GAH

What youz thinks about cities? Can youz create them? Can youz destroy them? Are they static?

Vote as to what you think it might be or what you'd want it to be.

GAH

[RisingSun]

I think you should be able to both create and destroy. Gives me a power trip... I, AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Sir Robin]

From the hints they have given so far I do not believe cities can be created or destroyed completely.

However you can probably reduce cities to near village status by destroying buildings in them.

[son of spam]

Eh... too bad...

From what I know about the current province system in MTW and the screenshots, I have to agree with Sir Robin.

Though I sincerely hope that you can found cities anywhere and build them into megaloplises...only to raze those same metros into the ground http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

mmmm....Civilization: Total War

[bighairyman]

You didn't have an option that you start with all cities, and cities can be find, destroyed, or rebuilt destroyed ones. So i choose the last option.

GAH http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Siena]

Quote[/b] (Vanya @ April 02 2004,15:58)]GAH

What youz thinks about cities? Can youz create them? Can youz destroy them? Are they static?

Vote as to what you think it might be or what you'd want it to be.

GAH
what does "GAH" mean? :)

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (RisingSun @ April 02 2004,16:15)]I think you should be able to both create and destroy. Gives me a power trip... I, AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
I agree.

[spmetla]

Quote[/b] ]what does "GAH" mean? :)

It started as a expression of dismay as in "GAH Who let these lab monkeys loose" but here on the Org Kraxis and Vanya have created the cult of "GAH" which is a requirement in all polls.

It used to be "GAH, cut off heads, make head soup"

[Pindar]

Quote[/b] ]Quote (RisingSun @ April 02 2004,16:15)
I think you should be able to both create and destroy. Gives me a power trip... I, AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA...

I agree.


I agree with the agreement.

[Pindar]

Quote[/b] ]From the hints they have given so far I do not believe cities can be created or destroyed completely.


Where did this come from?

[The_678]

I think they will be static. They will probably be like the castles in M:TW and be only in certain spots. I think I will love destroying the building in seiges. That looks like on of the best features of R:TW. It will also be great to see just like in Civs III.

[Scipio]

I also think it will be static but of coarse we can't forget that we will be able to make forts... Having said that, I beleive that you will be able to raise cities to the ground alongside with forts.

[Sir Robin]

Perhaps it would have been better to say lack of hints.

CA has had no problem talking about fully 3D battles, troops on walls, improved diplomacy, and a 3D map. However nothing has hinted about multiple cities per region/province, or CIV3 style provinces/cities, or the ability to build and destroy cities.

Considering the leap ahead that this would be considered it is quite likely that we can't.

The ability to build forts implies that you cannot build cities instead. It would probably be more formidable to face a full city siege instead of just overunning a fort to get past "regional chokepoints."

[Nowake]

Quote[/b] (Pindar @ April 03 2004,03:36)]
Quote[/b] ]Quote (RisingSun @ April 02 2004,16:15)
I think you should be able to both create and destroy. Gives me a power trip... I, AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA...

I agree.


I agree with the agreement.
And myself submits also.

[masp_82]

Some months ago a CA member on the .com site stated, that you can NOT build new cities.

Its likely that there is exact one city per province. I think not that you can completly destroy a city, you can destroy the buildings but not the city symbol itself on the map.

Iam happy with that, cause raising of new cities and the search for the optimal place would be to much micromanagement for me.

[The_678]

Quote[/b] ]Quote (Pindar @ April 03 2004,03:36)
Quote
Quote (RisingSun @ April 02 2004,16:15)
I think you should be able to both create and destroy. Gives me a power trip... I, AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA...

I agree.



I agree with the agreement.

And myself submits also.

I will join in too.

[Rosacrux]

Quote[/b] (The_678 @ April 03 2004,01:19)]
Quote[/b] ]Quote (Pindar @ April 03 2004,03:36)
Quote
Quote (RisingSun @ April 02 2004,16:15)
I think you should be able to both create and destroy. Gives me a power trip... I, AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA...

I agree.



I agree with the agreement.

And myself submits also.

I will join in too.
Jo

[The Wizard]

Quote[/b] (Rosacrux @ April 03 2004,12:22)]
Quote[/b] (The_678 @ April 03 2004,01:19)]
Quote[/b] ]Quote (Pindar @ April 03 2004,03:36)
Quote
Quote (RisingSun @ April 02 2004,16:15)
I think you should be able to both create and destroy. Gives me a power trip... I, AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA...

I agree.



I agree with the agreement.

And myself submits also.

I will join in too.
Jo
Leave some for me..

[Basileus]

Quote[/b] (The Wizard @ April 03 2004,10:02)]
Quote[/b] (Rosacrux @ April 03 2004,12:22)]
Quote[/b] (The_678 @ April 03 2004,01:19)]
Quote[/b] ]Quote (Pindar @ April 03 2004,03:36)
Quote
Quote (RisingSun @ April 02 2004,16:15)
I think you should be able to both create and destroy. Gives me a power trip... I, AM THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA...

I agree.



I agree with the agreement.

And myself submits also.

I will join in too.
Jo
Leave some for me..
I agree with the third quote http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[dessa14]

i think you should be able to found cities and destroy them.
"Hello rome, hows the fire going."
burn rome to the ground.
thanks, dessa

[RisingSun]

Don't forget to fiddle.

EDIT: Holy monkey paste, Batman It seems I've started a cult

[rory_20_uk]

I want to burn Carthage to the ground, sprinkle the site with salt and then plough up the ashes - just for fun...

Knocking a site down to a village makes far les sense than obliterating it completely.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (rory_20_uk @ April 04 2004,05:52)]I want to burn Carthage to the ground, sprinkle the site with salt and then plough up the ashes - just for fun...

Knocking a site down to a village makes far les sense than obliterating it completely.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif
Well, I want to burn Rome to the ground, sprinkle the site with salt and then plough up the ashes - just for fun... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif

[RisingSun]

Well, it seems we're all in the same boat- We are all "I-want-to-burn-a-city-to-the-ground-and-sprinkle-the-site-with-salt-and-then-plough-up-th
e-ashes" -philes.

[rory_20_uk]

The only thing against it is that Romans, Greeks and Carthegenians would utterly rase a city as they are making a point: don't mess with us.

The barbarians would swipe all the gold, increase the birth rate considerably then leave, after setting everything else on fire. Cities can recover from this far better though - many cities have been sacked and recovered, but few when peoples such as the Romans are responsible.

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[RisingSun]

Quote[/b] ]The barbarians would swipe all the gold, increase the birth rate considerably then leave, after setting everything else on fire.

I like that euphamism.

[rory_20_uk]

The other one is "setting the buildings and the women on fire"

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[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (rory_20_uk @ April 04 2004,11:30)]The only thing against it is that Romans, Greeks and Carthegenians would utterly rase a city as they are making a point: don't mess with us.

The barbarians would swipe all the gold, increase the birth rate considerably then leave, after setting everything else on fire. Cities can recover from this far better though - many cities have been sacked and recovered, but few when peoples such as the Romans are responsible.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif
Don't see the following in your reasoning. If an army is convinced well enough, of the importance of rasing a city to the ground, what's stoping it from doing it? The fact that the Celts did not rase Rome to the ground, was because they didn't tought it convenient...

[rory_20_uk]

Well, there you go. They grabbed the booze, boobs and cash and left after chucking a match at the rest. They saw no point in raising it to the ground, as far as they were concerned job done. Romans don't think like that, and take the trouble to destroy everything.

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[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (rory_20_uk @ April 04 2004,15:51)]Well, there you go. They grabbed the booze, boobs and cash and left after chucking a match at the rest. They saw no point in raising it to the ground, as far as they were concerned job done. Romans don't think like that, and take the trouble to destroy everything.

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That doesn't mean that, in the game, non-Romans shouldn't have that hability...

[dessa14]

yeah they should, they should get all the gold though, while romans... don't get the gold because they think it is cursed.
thanks, dessa

[rory_20_uk]

I was not advocating non Romans. I'd have thought that Carthiginians, Greeks and Egyptians would probaly destroy it as well.

You're probably right - for game balance, why not?

Romans view gols as cursed??? I think that they'd view that as an oxymoron http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

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[spmetla]

I don't think we'd actually get to see our troops razing the city but I assume when you capture the city which captures the province as well that you can still sell the buildings like you could in STW and MTW, doing this would remove all the actual infrastructure and probably walls and defenses as well. Imagine your salting the fields of Carthage consists of selling the +80% Farm Upgrade, although not near as glorious and worthy of praise by the muses it accomplishes the same task.

Now as for the sudden increase in birth rates...

[hoom]

Boh It should be noted that Carthage recovered to become the third biggest city in the Roman empire Boh

I thought I'd read something about 'up to 4 cities per province'?

[Nowake]

What province? Will there be provinces or not? Only 4 cities per province? How big a province will be?

And these are just a couple of the questions raised ..

[RisingSun]

Yes, there are provinces. I heard only one city per province??? Let's see the source for this four cities stuff

[a_ver_est]

It will be fine if forts can evolute to cities ...

For example, some Spanish cities started as forts