offend your enemy

[masp_82]

Res Romanae, 3rd April from totalwar.com

In RTW units on the battlefield can be ordered to taunt their enemies before the fighting starts Taunts include shouting, making rude gestures and - for the more barbarous types - waving your posterior at the foe


Great feature But with my roman legions i will teach the barbarians some respect http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Gregoshi]

This should make online games more interesting. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-surprised.gif

[Nowake]

Good point Gregoshi.


Now, I would think that, being "teased" in this way, the enemy should be incited to act without orders. That would be a very good feature indeed. CA? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Nice feature. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
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[CBR]

mmm so does that mean my Gauls can yell "Hey look at my big barbarian penis" ? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif


CBR

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (CBR @ April 03 2004,06:26)]mmm so does that mean my Gauls can yell "Hey look at my big barbarian penis" ? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif


CBR
You forgot the: "I'm here to kill you"

[SwordsMaster]

Great, now you will be able to get out of the woods all those barbarians that hide there.
BTW, half of the barbarians of the game have bonuses in the woods.Which is kinda unfair IMO.

[The_Emperor]

Oh excellent, I can just imagine it in Multiplayer... Barbarian Armies making very rude gestures at the enemy

I wonder if guys that are waving their posterior at the enemy are more vulnerable to arrowfire... (thinks of a moment in Braveheart with a Scot paying for his insult with an arrow) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-clown.gif

[The Wizard]

Oh my, now armies can yell Nusbacher quotes at the enemy Bound to scare newbies http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif



~Wiz

[Kraxis]

I'm pretty certain that only specific units will be able to taunt, or be able to resist taunts.
I suspect that the Marian legionaries won't taunt for instance, but that the German Spearman Warband will be very tauntable. And the manipular legionaries will also be tauntable.

[Gregoshi]

I can see it now. Post after post here of things like:

Taunting is too powerful

What good is taunting online?

Taunt-Rushers are ruining the game

I hate Taunt armies...

[DemonArchangel]

oh well, actually every unit should be able to taunt. then i can just imagine it.

Me: LEGIONARIES, PULL DOWN YOUR TUNICS
Barbarians: aw god.... (looks away, some get hit by pilums)

[RisingSun]

Well that would be slightly awkward, as you are usually running when throwing a pilum, and if they also have their tunics down...

I can imagine it now- Countless Romans waddling around the field, throwing their pila with their tunics at their ankles.

[Gregoshi]

Quote[/b] (RisingSun @ April 03 2004,23:24)]I can imagine it now- Countless Romans waddling around the field, throwing their pila with their tunics at their ankles.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

I hope CA goes the Sims route and pixelates the groinal regions. I've no desire to see any Roman pila. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-worried2.gif

[Longshanks]

I wonder if this applies to every unit or just some? Barbarian armies tended to make a lot of noise before a battle, and being less disciplined were also more apt to do something rash. More civilized armies like the Romans behaved more stoically, and because of their discipline were a lot less likely to do something without orders.

Perhaps instead barbarian armies making a lot of noise against a civilized foe like the Romans could have a slight negative impact on morale,(rather than goading them into something rash) if the troops are green and the General is subpar? Just a thought.

Of course if the General is of good quality he'd dispel his troops fears. It would be in line with history IMO. Take for example this speech from Suetonius Paulinus to his greatly outnumbered legionaries facing off against Boudicca's rampaging Britons:

"There you see more women than warriors. Unwarlike, unarmed, they will give way the moment they have recognized that sword and that courage of their conquerors, which have so often routed them. Even among many legions, it is a few who really decide the battle, and it will enhance their glory that a small force should earn the renown of an entire army. Only close up the ranks, and having discharged your javelins, then with shields and swords continue the work of bloodshed and destruction, without a thought of plunder. When once the victory has been won, everything will be in your power.'

The Romans won by the way. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


Here is Boudicca's speech for those that are interested:

'But now, it is not as a woman descended from noble ancestry, but as one of the people that I am avenging lost freedom, my scourged body, the outraged chastity of my daughters. Roman lust has gone so far that not our very person, nor even age or virginity, are left unpolluted. But heaven is on the side of a righteous vengeance; a legion which dared to fight has perished; the rest are hiding themselves in their camp, or are thinking anxiously of flight. They will not sustain even the din and the shout of so many thousands, much less our charge and our blows. If you weigh well the strength of the armies, and the causes of the war, you will see that in this battle you must conquer or die. This is a woman's resolve; as for men, they may live and be slaves.'

[Kongamato]

Zuuuuuulllllllluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Well, lets hope CA doesnt make the same chant mistakes of the movie Gladiator...

[frogbeastegg]

Quote[/b] (Gregoshi @ April 04 2004,06:37)]I hope CA goes the Sims route and pixelates the groinal regions. I've no desire to see any Roman pila. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-worried2.gif
If they didn't pixilate anything that would probably make RTW the first game to have a female oriented equivalent to the barely dressed nubile girl running about with realistic jiggling. The men get Dead or Alive extreme beach volleyball; the women get barbarian warbands in RTW.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

I agree with Gregoshi - I'd rather not see weaponry of that sort thank you very much Fortunately the age ratings required to include that kind of thing would probably be higher than CA are aiming - total war has never been rated 18. I very much doubt RTW will break that trend.

[The Wizard]

R O F L @ Froggy How about specially 'clad' female units to... draw the attention away from your army..? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif



~Wiz, buggering off as usual http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[frogbeastegg]

Well I can spot a game breaking tactic there - set up your um, ladies up in a strategic location and have some good cavalry ready to ambush the horde of enemy soldiers wandering over with funny grins and distracted minds. It would work on almost every unit in the game...although the Spartans might be immune http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

I think I prefer the idea of luring units to their doom with careful archery http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

Is that related in any way to the already usual MTW tactic of throwing snowball, giving mushroom, or serving coffee (but only vs Alio or Mordred)?

We already got the feature... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Louis,

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Gregoshi @ April 03 2004,20:54)]I can see it now. Post after post here of things like:

Taunting is too powerful

What good is taunting online?

Taunt-Rushers are ruining the game

I hate Taunt armies...
LOL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif Good predicament...

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Gregoshi @ April 03 2004,23:37)]
Quote[/b] (RisingSun @ April 03 2004,23:24)]I can imagine it now- Countless Romans waddling around the field, throwing their pila with their tunics at their ankles.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

I hope CA goes the Sims route and pixelates the groinal regions. I've no desire to see any Roman pila. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-worried2.gif
ROTFL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-laugh4.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-laugh4.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-laugh4.gif

Awesome http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (frogbeastegg @ April 04 2004,07:05)]Well I can spot a game breaking tactic there - set up your um, ladies up in a strategic location and have some good cavalry ready to ambush the horde of enemy soldiers wandering over with funny grins and distracted minds. It would work on almost every unit in the game...although the Spartans might be immune http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
And the Theban Sacred Battalion... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif

[RisingSun]

Or if we have an Alexander t. Great mod... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Kraxis]

Quote[/b] (RisingSun @ April 04 2004,11:30)]Or if we have an Alexander t. Great mod... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
I'm sure such a mod will be made within one month...

[The Wizard]

Didn't Greeks fight without... er... undies? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Oh, and I can see it now. Instead of having a female distraction at their disposal, Spartans/Sacred Band use the YMCA theme. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif



~Wiz

[Gregoshi]

Quote[/b] (The Wizard @ April 04 2004,11:59)]Oh, and I can see it now. Instead of having a female distraction at their disposal, Spartans/Sacred Band use the YMCA theme. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif



~Wiz
What a great idea for a new Greek unit Call them the Village People

[spmetla]

Quote[/b] ]R O F L @ Froggy How about specially 'clad' female units to... draw the attention away from your army..?



~Wiz, buggering off as usual


I'm pretty certain we'll seem some mods depicting the mythical Amazons in Conan the Barbarian style of dress as well http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif With special heroes like Xena the Warrior Princess http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

And seeing as there WILL be historically accurate mods out there I can well imagine there will anatomically correct mods as well...as disgusting as it is. But for the sake of realism I'd want my Germanic hordes to fully disgust those skirt wearing romans' newbie generals online. It'd ruin the players morale and the troops...unless your into that kinda thing http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

[Spino]

This is great news So long as this taunting feature has absolutely no effect on the morale of friendly and enemy troops then I have no problem with it. Watching thousands of legionaries clanging their shields with their gladii or barbarians yelling and carrying on in the face of the enemy sounds fantastic. Just the thing to bring the realism level up a notch and add another element to the ambience. I just hope the tactical AI has been programmed to know when to make its troops let loose with a holler or two.

You just know this feature is going to get lots of use in multiplayer games. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Spino @ April 05 2004,09:52)]So long as this taunting feature has absolutely no effect on the morale of friendly and enemy troops then I have no problem with it.
I hope that taunting will affect morale of enemy units...

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ April 05 2004,17:43)]
Quote[/b] (Spino @ April 05 2004,09:52)]So long as this taunting feature has absolutely no effect on the morale of friendly and enemy troops then I have no problem with it.
I hope that taunting will affect morale of enemy units...
yeah I can imagine it now... a unit of barbarians charge at the romans another unit pulls up near the flank of the Barbarians, shout a few insults and stuff and the enemy unit breaks and runs

If taunting effects morale you would see some pretty stupid sights like that on the battlefield

No best have it as just something you can do to incite your enemy... maybe entice his troops to charge if they are impetuous.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ April 05 2004,12:23)]
Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ April 05 2004,17:43)]
Quote[/b] (Spino @ April 05 2004,09:52)]So long as this taunting feature has absolutely no effect on the morale of friendly and enemy troops then I have no problem with it.
I hope that taunting will affect morale of enemy units...
yeah I can imagine it now... a unit of barbarians charge at the romans another unit pulls up near the flank of the Barbarians, shout a few insults and stuff and the enemy unit breaks and runs

If taunting effects morale you would see some pretty stupid sights like that on the battlefield

No best have it as just something you can do to incite your enemy... maybe entice his troops to charge if they are impetuous.
No. I think it would be very fun and realistic, if it would have an effect, although not very powerfull. Maybe making it only really work with high-morale Barbarians, against low-morale Romans.

[Spino]

The reason I am dead set against having taunting impart any morale effects on enemy troops is because I can just see the tactical AI screwing up and using this option when it should be doing something more sensible. The last thing I want to see in RTW is a rehash of the wacky tactical AI we all know and love in Medieval. Almost as bad would be to have human players abuse the taunting feature ad nauseum in multiplayer games, especially if they use it in truly ridiculous situations.

Taunting makes for great for eye candy and 'ambience' but let's leave it at that.

[The Wizard]

Oh, I can see it now... WarCraft-style:

Taunting imba abuser noob, hack1

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif



~Wiz

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Spino @ April 05 2004,13:22)]The reason I am dead set against having taunting impart any morale effects on enemy troops is because I can just see the tactical AI screwing up and using this option when it should be doing something more sensible. The last thing I want to see in RTW is a rehash of the wacky tactical AI we all know and love in Medieval.
But then again, RTW's AI must be a LOT better, don't you think? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif



Quote[/b] ]Almost as bad would be to have human players abuse the taunting feature ad nauseum in multiplayer games, especially if they use it in truly ridiculous situations.

It will never happen in MP, because if you spend money to increase taunting capabilities, you'll sacrifice combat power. A quick rush, by the enemy army, will get the taunters in shreads...



Quote[/b] ]Taunting makes for great for eye candy and 'ambience' but let's leave it at that.
I think it should influence moral as well, although not powerfully, and for a very high cost. Example:

MP game:

Romans:

6 units of legionaires (valour 3), 2 units of cavalry (valou2) - cost 5,000

Celts:

2 units of celtic infantry (valour 6) - cost 5,000
(This unit can only scare valour 2 legionaires a bit (-1 morale), valor 1 legionaires (-2 morale), etc...)


You're not going to say that the Roman will loose will you?

[Longshanks]

Quote[/b] ]I hope that taunting will affect morale of enemy units...

I do too. Historically the barbarians made a lot of noise and it did have a psychological effect on the battlefield. I don't think it is potentially game breaking either, as it could be made to only have a 1 time effect on morale/impetuousness.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Longshanks @ April 05 2004,19:21)]
Quote[/b] ]I hope that taunting will affect morale of enemy units...

I do too. Historically the barbarians made a lot of noise and it did have a psychological effect on the battlefield. I don't think it is potentially game breaking either, as it could be made to only have a 1 time effect on morale/impetuousness.
Yes, something like that could work.

[Axeknight]

Ha ha, I love it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

As well as the comic potential of a screenshot of a whole battleline 'showing their posteriors', the idea of a barbarian unit emerging from a forest on the Romans' flank, shouting and screaming as they charge would be great http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif