View Full Version : Do u enjoy close combat?
Gan Ning
04-29-2002, 08:07
Would you rather duke it out with close combat units or projectile units. I like close combat fights better, there isnt as much cat and mouse going on, and im a better close combat stratigest. I like it when i dont have do worry about chasing some whimpy archers that are aloways going to run away and tire out my men, before they even get into close combat. And its also annoying when before you even get close enough to attack them you already lost 20 or more men!
What do u think? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif
Papewaio
04-29-2002, 10:24
Quote Originally posted by Gan Ning:
Would you rather duke it out with close combat units or projectile units. I like close combat fights better, there isnt as much cat and mouse going on, and im a better close combat stratigest. I like it when i dont have do worry about chasing some whimpy archers that are aloways going to run away and tire out my men, before they even get into close combat. And its also annoying when before you even get close enough to attack them you already lost 20 or more men!
What do u think? http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif[/QUOTE]
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On seeing the Totomi plain full of archers.[/QUOTE]
Archers are just popcorn for Calvary.
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Try chasing the enemy archers with Naginata infantry. With their heavy armor, they won't lose many men to the arrows. In fact, arrows are really "wasted" on them.
NagatsukaShumi
04-29-2002, 23:59
Whether we like it or not, because projectile units are powerful when used right, people will use them.
My personal fave it drawing the enemy in by marching closer and closer, may be getting mowed down by guns but at the moment i charge them with Cav, take out their projectile units then go in for close combat and place my archers at the back of the mayhem firing in. I have many other tactics but I don't want to tell you them
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Tankdogg123
04-30-2002, 15:31
but shumi u nearly always lose.
Tankdogg123
04-30-2002, 15:33
but shumi u nearly always lose
Papewaio
04-30-2002, 17:30
Quote Originally posted by Tankdogg123:
but shumi u nearly always lose[/QUOTE]
Does he lose the moving of pixels or does he win by keeping true to his path of honour?
I think you can take honour to the real world.
As for moving pixels that is only mouse skills and in the real world the only skill wrist movement is used for is spin bowlers and wankers (well some of them are one and the same) http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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Vanya likes to ride through masses of belligerent warriors... and swing his sword to the left and right, cutting off heads with each stroke.
Just like chopping watermelons on poles during "practice"... only more fun http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
NagatsukaShumi
04-30-2002, 21:20
Dog the fact I lose sometimes doesn't mean anything
I'm a rebel, I don't fear to try new things out, I don't stick to the let buy the most guns bull unless I'm desperate
And honour to me is the honour facing all foes, regardless of their power.....unless they cheat
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Close combat is the best part. Running rings around the people whouse 8 missile when u beat then with 6, haha they just rush at you people have forgotten how to do close combat.
Quote Originally posted by LordTed:
Close combat is the best part. Running rings around the people whouse 8 missile when u beat then with 6, haha they just rush at you people have forgotten how to do close combat.[/QUOTE]
Defeating the enemy without having to close quarters is the ultimate battlefield victory.
Close combat is the recourse of the feeble.
But it is fun to charge in and lop off heads! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif
theforce
05-01-2002, 04:03
Close combat offcourse. Is all in the flank!
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Don't use only honour, use theforce, too.
Hand to hand fighting is the real skill in this game, a missile battle has much skill - but less than the real fighting.
Flanking is very important, that is the art of getting units around to hit the sides or the rear. In this way you inflict a big morale penalty to the enemy and practically win the battle.
But the biggest skill in this game is to physcologically defeat the enemy by confusing him. If you mentally defeat the enemy you will be free to take advantage of his own mistakes and win a battle with ease.
Once Magyar Khan told me...most of my wins happen because the enemy lets me do my play...one of his greatest skills is driving the enemy into confusion by the magnificent use of CA and other cavalry...and then do his play...
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The greatest tactic of all is one you don't need to hide by confusing the enemy. When they know exactly what it is you plan to do... and they STILL cannot do anything to stop it... then and only then will you have acheived tactical mastery on the battlefield.
Winning with deception obviously makes it easier. But the above is the mark of the best.
Vanya's Legion of the Chain era is my example that best approached the above ideal. Although its application is not as successful in MI for obvious reasons, this simple strategy wrought more wins than any other so far in my long history. And it did so even when the enemy knew what I was going to do.
But a lot has changed from STW to MI. What worked then doesn't work anymore... or at least not for the same reasons.
The Legion of Olde would still whoop people's arses now, but its effectiveness is dulled by masses of guns that prevail in the modern era.
(Now, now! I can't divulge its secrets! I can't have newbies pop up and use it and start beating me! GAH!)
The contemporary "Half Phalanx" works pretty well... but it just ain't the good ole Legion... And, it would be wise to hold the good ones in case I ever join a tourney...
Perhaps all this really means is the Golden Age of Vanya is starting to lose its lustre...
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[Pushes Krast aside]
[Pulls out can of polish]
Now... to restore that lustre...
Gan Ning
05-01-2002, 06:42
im not a real newbie, newbies cant win a battle, and ive won plenty!
Gan Ning
05-01-2002, 06:43
wat i do is conceal my men send in a yari calvary to draw there army closer and fight in the trees so they dont hit me at all (barly).
Gan Ning
05-01-2002, 06:45
If u got any stratiges plz tell me, i dont like gettin mowed down by arrows!
But i like watching heads slide slowly off a samuris shoulder, and my no dachi go on to the next victom!
Papewaio
05-01-2002, 08:10
Quote Originally posted by Gan Ning:
If u got any stratiges plz tell me, i dont like gettin mowed down by arrows!
But i like watching heads slide slowly off a samuris shoulder, and my no dachi go on to the next victom![/QUOTE]
Well that is the first hint No-Dachi and Arrows don't mix very well.
In SP when I look at the enemy I negate every Monk or Nod for each archer I have. Every archer for each calvary I have. Then it is just a matter of negating the YS.
I don't use Ashi much except for protecting flanks and being a speed bump for calvary. Since I don't use Ashi I don't count them when fighting as I'm normally loaded up with Yari Samurai.
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Gan Ning
05-02-2002, 01:56
i know that arrows and nod dont mix, unless you like charging your men over a pool of there own troops blood!
Gan Ning
05-02-2002, 02:19
a yari arg against a sam is a pretty good fight. It depends who's fightin
theforce
05-02-2002, 04:04
nd are not my choise nowdays. I used them a lot before but cav can kill em easily now, especially HC.
Well some tips are..
1.Use CA. I have started using this unit recently and it can make all the difference. If the other guy has no cav, the better. Send it to the back of the enemy to kill some units and then back again, repeat the pattern. I found out that it pisses the other a lot so be ready for some full scale attack by the other.
2.Focus your firepower on a single unit. In most battles u will end up with your melee fighting the other guys melee with your guns shooting. Now select all your projectile units and target a high honor one
(you can count the unit's honor by seeing how many little flags it has) and try to make it run. Doing so will make lesser units to follow it. Even if is not the general it usually does the trick.
Also as l have seen most don't expect someone to use CA as a melee unit. U can use t his against them by senting one in their back flanking and it does a quite nice job.
As Tera might say sending SA in a direct attack is not good. They shall run soon. Try using NC fot this.
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Don't use only honour, use theforce, too.
Gan Ning
05-02-2002, 04:11
no dachi can fall easily to hc, ur right but are a very good unit in alot of other battles and almost always give you the upper hand. they good for the right side of flanking cause thats were i usualy put my archers. not only can they defend they can push too.
Gan Ning
05-02-2002, 04:14
not only can they defend they can push too.[/B][/QUOTE]
there wavering! Nows are chance! All units push harder! Drive them over the ridges(in a mountain battle, ridges are a real help in real life war)!
Orda Khan
05-02-2002, 21:21
The Ultimate Victory is when you pop your bow back in its quiver and ride silently onward......leaving the corpses of your enemy scattered over the battlefield..minus their ears......Orda
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BSM_Skkzarg
05-03-2002, 00:44
The ultimate victory is not having to fight at all. - paraphrased from Sun Tzu.
Thus, in SP - build your economy, bribe the enemy taisho and his units, and take provinces one by one without a fight, all the while adding more and more to your army. When you have the overwhelming horde (4-5 16 unit stacks) then charge the enemy and watch him retreat, retreat, retreat until you reach another easily defensible area where you should solidify, regroup and repeat.
Q!
Skkzarg
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