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Monk
04-06-2004, 23:37
Well, it was i think one year ago that we first got the first glimpse of rtw. we were all so excited and gitty we could barely contain ourselves (i know i was). little by little we were given screen shots and movies, each time we found a little thing wrong and fussed about it until the devs assured us they would look into it. E3 rolled around and we got an even larger look at rtw, from what i could tell rtw was shaping up nicely.

Then a little hit show by the name of Time commanders hits the waves in Britian. besides horses tails and necks most of us were god smacked as how well it was all coming together. i even remember uttering the words "my god...CA is actually going to pull this off" time went on and everything was fine, a few movies there, screens here, and there was much rejoicing.

Suddenly, everything starts to go wrong, and i believe you know what i mean. In the US PCG it is declared that one must play as a Roman faction first to unlock 7 others. Right there many of us died, but all hope was not lost as the us pcg has a habit of misunderstanding and making things up. we went on bring up rumors and speaking with devs and all was fine...

PC zone was just released with a big article on RTW. in that ca plainly confirms that factions will be locked and the roman factions available will be "encouraged" to play a certain way. by their words they even say:

"Julii will tend to move north into Gaul territories and mainland Europe. Brutii are more likely to come into conflict with the Greeks and Macedonians"

i can only guess that this "encouragement" means senate missions, and if i dont follow their missions i'd probably be attacked and purged from Roman soil for disobeying their will. So let's say i'm Julii, and i invade Iberia, it falls and i'm feeling pretty good about myself. but then all of a sudden the Senate comes up and tells me that unless i give them a share they will destroy me, all because i didn't follow their "missions". Is that seriously how its gonna be? well thats how it was in MTW, don't cease your attacks and the pope excoms you and rebelions multiply.

If there's no sense in that to you then think of it this way; Let's say i'm the english playing MTW, but since historically they fought the French that's the only way i can go without some penalty, when in reality you have the choice of going through Scandanavia or Spain instead of attacking into mainland Europe, we are rewritting history afterall (atleast i thought). (that little example is credited to The Emperor )

the last few weeks has seen a few bad issues implemented that may ruin the game's fun. here's an example that i've already made:

Let's say i play as a Roman faction first (i'm going to have to the way things are going) and i beat the campaign. I'm happy and i can finally play as Carthage or Macedon. but for some unforeseen reason time becomes scarce and i remove rtw for space on my comp. one day i'm sitting around and i say "hey i'm not as busy as i used to be, i think i'll give rtw another go" only to find that i have to go through that whole unlocking thing All over Again. The same situation goes with mods, if we have to make a clean install after taking a mod off then we'd hav eto be roman before anything else.

These are the kinds of features where you either like them or hate them, i myself can;t stand my actions being dictated by the senate and my conquests being taken away if i disobey (i read once if you don't do as they say and conquer on your own, some of that will go back to the senate.) Neither do i like having no choice other then to play as Romans.

i needed to vent this...i think i feel a bit better now... feel free to comment...

Monk
04-07-2004, 00:03
hmm just noticed a similiar topic about this heh http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-oops.gif ...

mods can close this if they like http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-embarassed.gif

alman9898
04-07-2004, 01:01
hey, I don't like the unlock faction thing either... you're not alone. CA will see the light. We can only hope. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-embarassed.gif

Aymar de Bois Mauri
04-07-2004, 02:08
Quote[/b] (alman9898 @ April 06 2004,19:01)]hey, I don't like the unlock faction thing either... you're not alone. CA will see the light. We can only hope. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-embarassed.gif
My poor friend Do you really believe that? I don't... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-cry.gif

SwordsMaster
04-07-2004, 12:54
I dont think theyr gonna see the light, so i only hope that if you uninstall, they store a file somewhere in ther windows reg or something that saves your progress.

What they should include is an option to become independent

example:

Julii, take out the Iberian resistance and then move to Carthage.The Senate doesnt like you, you dont like them, and they excomm you.Fine, you just become a faction independent from the Senate and set up your own empire and, eventually if you take control of Rome itself, you become dictator and the Senate will do your will...That would be great...

BTW, it says that you will be rewarded for achieving the goals, much as the GA mode in MTW, but says nothing about punishment...

The_Emperor
04-07-2004, 13:42
Quote[/b] (SwordsMaster @ April 07 2004,12:54)]BTW, it says that you will be rewarded for achieving the goals, much as the GA mode in MTW, but says nothing about punishment...
Well it has been said that if you gain too much power the Senate will see you as a threat and try to destroy you...

But given we don't know what restrictions are on the Roman factions, its hard to talk abotu the punishment side of things.

For starters, we might not even be able to declare war on the other Roman factions if we feel threatened by them gaining more land than us?

Is it even possible to declare war on another Roman Faction before the "race to the throne" part of the campaign gets underway?

Now the Pope was awfully controlling and annoying in MTW, but we still had a free run of the map... Will we be able to play the Imerial campaign truly the way we want to?

And as for the unlock feature, whoever thought of that should be shot http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-rifle.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

Monk
04-07-2004, 13:49
Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ April 07 2004,08:42)]
Quote[/b] (SwordsMaster @ April 07 2004,12:54)]BTW, it says that you will be rewarded for achieving the goals, much as the GA mode in MTW, but says nothing about punishment...

But given we don't know what restrictions are on the Roman factions, its hard to talk abotu the punishment side of things.
I once read if you got over ambitious and conquored what you wanted the senate would ask a for a share in the territory. I forget where the article but i do remember reading it from more than one place...but no not in the PC zone mag.

Edit: though iirc said article was a few months old, probably from last year but i can't seem to remember for the life of me where it came from. it's possible that this little "feature" has been removes since.

Tricky Lady
04-07-2004, 22:04
Quote[/b] (SwordsMaster @ April 07 2004,13:54)]The Senate doesnt like you, you dont like them, and they excomm you.Fine, you just become a faction independent from the Senate and set up your own empire and, eventually if you take control of Rome itself, you become dictator and the Senate will do your will...That would be great...
Don't you think this would turn out as the "you have no heirs" in MTW? Meaning that if the Senate doesn't like you and "excomms", the game's over.

SwordsMaster
04-07-2004, 23:50
Well, if they do it like that, its not TW anymore, is more like the different AOE...Which is kinda pathetic, istn it?