View Full Version : Honour.....what is it good for?
NagatsukaShumi
05-04-2002, 16:24
I am speaking of the little number next to your name online. I ask you what is the point of it? It seems now people instantly put your skill down if you haven't got high honour because apparantly only the skilled players have honour.....or so many thought.
I won't mention his name, but I'm sure you all know the guy who plays Comp games as a defender on Castle3c, he isn't a great player, but newbies assume he is because of his high honour which he gained using the setup noted above.
I want to know, what you think about why honour means so much.
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Dune Daidoji
05-04-2002, 22:03
the numbers mean nothing . play the game for the fun of it .
The honour number means something, if you earn it by hard work and real skill. Players like Lordted do deserve the honour they worked so hard to achieve...but nonetheless...most of the guys on MI with high honour got them the "easy" way; you know what I mean.
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Orda Khan
05-05-2002, 04:25
The number means different things to different people. I have witnessed a trend that is creeping/ crept into society in general these days. Take a look around you and ask yourself how many genuine, honest, caring people there are as opposed to the selfish greedy ones. It's been mentioned in another thread about kids and their cheats. This is what we get when we tell them the sky's the limit. I was always taught that if you wanted something enough it was worth working hard for. Today, alas, these youngsters want things yesterday. I have only been online a month and was prepared for the slaughter to come. I expected to lose badly. But I also expected to learn from these defeats. I must admit also that I have not encountered these armies too often. Is it just a comp problem? If so we go back to my earlier statement. Power speaks. Money talks.Greed is good. Ah the 21st century.
For me, if I meet them I lose so what, maybe next time I host they think no competition and not join. Up until now I have played many games with what I feel are Honourable players. Those who afford you a GG at the end of a battle where their kill rate is more than 2-1. Those who offer encouragement and advice. Very welcome is advice from experienced allies during a battle when you start to lose composure. These are the Honourable players- the ones who show honourable conduct and in doing so earn respect. There are plenty of you out there.
Rise through the ranks slowly people.
Q: What about 16 unit H-0, W-0, A-0 battles? I realise the koku levels would differ between unit choice, but if you start with say 6000 and agree no upgrades...Would this mean the better strategist wins?
4 max, 3 max would also be agreed of course........Orda
TheHobbit
05-05-2002, 04:29
I'm a kid myself and when you say: "It's been mentioned in another thread about kids and their cheats."
I can relate!
The Band travled to Worlds of Fun this Saturday and one of my friends friends stole a basketball, and when a guys back was turned put a ring on a pop glass and claimed he won. He got a giant dog. I wish I had a giant dog but I'd give it to someone and I refuse to cheat. I voice up but noone listens and none of my other friends say anything to back me up.
Sigh...
Muneyoshi
05-05-2002, 12:15
Orda, I am a "kid", as you call it, yet I do not cheat. Ask anyone whos played me, and they will tell you the same. From what it sounds, according to you if im young, im a cheat. The cheats arent exactly "kids" either, who says these people arent older?
Lethal DRB
05-05-2002, 14:37
Shumi:
The honour (points next to ur name) doesnt mean much. Some people (like Dragondeath) defends on a castle and EVEN if he loses the game he escs.
so like that is a way to earn honour but some people Really deserved it Like lordTed and tetsu.
u can see it when a player really deserved hes honour and u can see how people dont.
DRB
Orda Khan
05-05-2002, 16:34
Sorry, I seem to have offended some. I referred to a thread that mentioned game cheats and the fact that a lot of kids use these cheats to progress to the next level etc. I also realise that not only kids cheat. I did state that I have not encountered many of the gun/spear armies. There is one guarantee in this world and that is that people will let you down. I am afraid I don't hold a very high opinion of the human race, myself included. I have been let down too many times all the teenage optimism I once possessed has been kicked out of me. .......Orda
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theforce
05-06-2002, 02:53
It would be quite nice to beat him in a castle fight http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
I reckon you must try it. Just because he id defending on a castle doesn't mean he is invinsible. Yes, he an edge and a great one but u can defeat him. First get NO guns!!!
If he has guns in the castle they are useless. Get 4 CA units and rain death to his troups from the back of the castle where he will have no many archers. Hit his main units like monks, nd and also YA is he is getting those high honor ashis. His guns if any can't touch you if they are in the walls. As CA a very irritating unit he will get pissed and probably rush your other forces. You get a good army ready to block him if he tries so. Set yer CA in 3 lines and in loose formation if they are under fire. Even if they are under fire u focus on key units. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
About honour, well most people think that they are respected and feared by their honor points. I also seeked honor for a long time, but now l don't are much. I play friendly games on a regular honour name and so many can underestimate you in that way giving you the chance to chop ass http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
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Don't use only honour, use theforce, too.
Papewaio
05-06-2002, 04:15
You know his name.
You know he cheats.
So his amount of 'honour' is actually a mark of how dishonourable he is.
Just wish someone would hack his name and CD key so it just came up with a negative infront of his honour. Don't ban him just take away what he wants most...
...then again the type of person who does this probably needs this more then the rest of us otherwise he might go 'postal'.
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Gah! Vanya sees 'honor-mongers' in game. Vanya joins their game. 90% of them complain Vanya's honor is too low and 'invite' him to leave. The other 10% realize this too late. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif Then, after they lose, they leave the room and come back to see their new honor. Then it hits them. "GAH! I LOST 15 HONOR POINTS! &^$%!" Vanya laughs.
[This message has been edited by Vanya (edited 05-06-2002).]
Quote Originally posted by YagyuMuneyoshi:
Orda, I am a "kid", as you call it, yet I do not cheat. Ask anyone whos played me, and they will tell you the same. From what it sounds, according to you if im young, im a cheat. The cheats arent exactly "kids" either, who says these people arent older?[/QUOTE]
Yagyu,
I am quite sure Orda was not trying to blame just "kids" for this, nor was he trying to say that ALL kids are like this. It is however, a problem that is growing in our society, and is most easily seen in the attitudes of our youth (which really goes up to people in their early twenties).
I know some people in their thirties who only play shooters in "God mode", and I know some young kids who will try very hard over and over until they succeed fairly.
I am sure that anyone who takes the time to participate in this community in a constructive way is not a quitter or cheater.
Cheers,
Jaguara
Dionysus9
05-07-2002, 01:30
What does honor mean?
When I see a high honor player I dont know join my compet game it means-- BEWARE. This guys is either really good, or a cheater.
When I see a low honor player I dont know join my compet game it means-- BEWARE. This guy could be LordTed or Tetsu playing a new name. I usually assume that the guy is not a cheater, but he could be just starting out.
Therefore, an unknown player's honor really means nothing except that he has (or hasnt) played some compet's w/ that name.
If you KNOW the player to be honest and honorable then a high honor really does mean something-- it means the guy is good at the game.
Right now my honor is 122, which I consider to be mid-range. Last week it was down to 87 due to some poor play on my part, some excellent play on others parts (e.g. AggonyGrizz who took a bunch of it fair and square), and falling for some cheezy compet. traps (bad maps, king of the hill compet, etc.).
I've worked really hard to get back up to 110+ honor and now I am at 122. I'm proud of 122 and the effort it took to get there. I did it w/ honor, and have refused "free" honor more than once. It means something to me regardless of what it means to everyone else (esp. those who don't know me).
And as for THE HOBITT and his Worlds of Fun experience (I miss the mamba and timberwolf), I say bravo for being honest. Conduct yourself with honor and beware of the "friends" who do not....most likely they will get you into trouble. Guilt by association is unfair, but it is real and I've seen it destroy peoples lives [just wait until you get in front of that jury, often "guilt by association" will overcome the presumption of "innocence"]. Watch out for those guys.
And finally, stealing from a thief (carnival game guys rig their games) is still stealing. Cheating honor from a cheater is still cheating...
I was happy w/ myself and my playing when I was 87 honor (just a hard-luck ronin), and nothing much has changed now that I am 122 (land-owning taisho), except I feel good about the honorable victories it took to get there. Everything else is just senseless ego-centrism.
MagyarKhans Cham
05-07-2002, 06:05
Grizz preying on u?
Quote Originally posted by Dionysus9:
What does honor mean?
When I see a high honor player I dont know join my compet game it means-- BEWARE. This guys is either really good, or a cheater.
When I see a low honor player I dont know join my compet game it means-- BEWARE. This guy could be LordTed or Tetsu playing a new name. I usually assume that the guy is not a cheater, but he could be just starting out.
Therefore, an unknown player's honor really means nothing except that he has (or hasnt) played some compet's w/ that name.
If you KNOW the player to be honest and honorable then a high honor really does mean something-- it means the guy is good at the game.
Right now my honor is 122, which I consider to be mid-range. Last week it was down to 87 due to some poor play on my part, some excellent play on others parts (e.g. AggonyGrizz who took a bunch of it fair and square), and falling for some cheezy compet. traps (bad maps, king of the hill compet, etc.).
I've worked really hard to get back up to 110+ honor and now I am at 122. I'm proud of 122 and the effort it took to get there. I did it w/ honor, and have refused "free" honor more than once. It means something to me regardless of what it means to everyone else (esp. those who don't know me).
And as for THE HOBITT and his Worlds of Fun experience (I miss the mamba and timberwolf), I say bravo for being honest. Conduct yourself with honor and beware of the "friends" who do not....most likely they will get you into trouble. Guilt by association is unfair, but it is real and I've seen it destroy peoples lives [just wait until you get in front of that jury, often "guilt by association" will overcome the presumption of "innocence"]. Watch out for those guys.
And finally, stealing from a thief (carnival game guys rig their games) is still stealing. Cheating honor from a cheater is still cheating...
I was happy w/ myself and my playing when I was 87 honor (just a hard-luck ronin), and nothing much has changed now that I am 122 (land-owning taisho), except I feel good about the honorable victories it took to get there. Everything else is just senseless ego-centrism.
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What is this crap. 'This guy could be LordTed or Tetsu playing a new name'.
I have 2 names if you cant figure out who i am when you do u a little daft.
Dionysus9
05-07-2002, 22:31
Oh, sorry there LordTed...uhm, I meant AmpMortog...
:P
Lol Lordted AMP?? He wished he was http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
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