Battle Kill Ratios

[Tristan]

Just wanted to create a place where you can share stories of various kill ratios in your battles. I had a couple of really large ones today and it sort of sparked the idea.

These are both my Byzantines against the Egyptians. Egyptian armies were mostly Bedouin Camel Warriors, Peasants, Nubian Spears. I had Kataphraktoi, Trebizond Archers, Byz Infantry mainly. A bit lopsided http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Plus my units had a minimum of 5 valour (this is in SP campaign)

First battle was 264 killed, 257 captured, to only 4 men lost. Second one was 852 killed, 490 captured, to only 13 lost. That last battle was 198 of my best men against 2260 of the Egyptian rabble http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Bigwig]

Napoleonic: Total War

I had a few units of regular line infantry, one unit of highlanders (who didn't actually get to do anything), and two royal dragoons, slightly under 900 men total. I was on the defensive against over 3000 Austrians whos guns of course had longer range than mine, plus they started at the top of the the mountainous map. I decided to make a thin red line to keep their centre occupied, while I sent my cavalry in for flanking manouvres. At one point I managed to get them to route right into my cavalry screen behind them, and they had a merry time capturing all the fleeing soldiers. After several more of these cavalry manouvres I ended the battle with around 300 lost, 1500 killed, and 1700 captured. Not bad, seeing as how the majority of my casualties were the line infantry who are pretty much cannon fodder anyway.

Of course the AI seems to be really stupid in Napoleonic, so that was a big factor.

[katank]

my best victories were against the horde where I often have 5k+ kills and 100 losses in defensive bridge battles.

stupid mongols don't learn. By the time I'm finsihed with them, 1 full unit of my halbs is at V14 and I have a stack and half of PAs at V5-6. My 3 catapults also went up to about V4-5.

[[DnC]]

My best k/d ratio is still 1227/1 in a bridge battle against the Mongols. It wasn't a really interesting battle to play, yet fun to watch the carnage.

At the moment I have my most difficult campaign (German campaign) ever in my own modded game. A lot of hard and interesting battles, though I seem to be winning slightly now. After having lost one large battle in the beginning I thought about quiting the campaign thinking I had lost it and then I thought; the HELL with it, if I'm gonna lose I'll give 'm hell before I do Certain battles were lost, but most of the most important battles I had won. I have been fighting almost continuesly (sp?) for about 30 years now. There must have been about 20000~30000 dead French, Burgundian, Polish, Mongolian, Hungarian, Danish, Swiss and English soldiers and where I have lost around 5000~8000 German soldiers.

My battles are now mostly won with 3/1~6/1 k/d ratios. So it's going well so far Now I'm just hoping the Italians (whom suprisingly haven't attacked me once yet) won't attack me anytime soon. The Polish and the Danish have been eliminated (the Burgundians aswell, but they reappeared a couple of years after being elmininated with very large armies). The Swiss, whom were truly painstakingly difficult (couldn't really concentrate strong forces on them due to other nations attacking me)and the Mongols, aren't posing a real threat anymore. But the Burgundians, Hungarians, French, Italians and to some extent (sigh getting tired, sp?) the English are still threatening the survival of the Holy Roman Empire.

So here's a bit of a short summary of my current campaign with general kill/death ratios aswell http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
If I had only posted the first paragraph my post would have been a little short http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Besides I had to get the progress of this tough campaign of my back http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[Axeknight]

Playing as the Byz, I invaded rebel Finland. They had 3 units of handgunners, 5 archer units and 3 spearman units. I had one of my Byz attack forces. 4 spear, 2 Byz. Inf, 4 Treb archers (later on I replace them with Bulgarian brigs), 2 Kats and 1 Byz Lancer unit. Lost 3 archers, killed or captured 700-odd Finns. Only 2 units meleed, my Lancers (love Lancers), and a 40-strong Byz. Inf unit which routed 100 spearmen late on without loss. The rest of the battle was skirmishing with Trebs, and lures with Lancers. They kept their spear in the forest for protection against Treb fire. I charged the Lancers, routed a unit of handgunners, before charging out into the plain behind the enemy position. Picking off the routing handgunners, I launched attacks into the forest from behind, killing 'gunners and archers, before quickly disengaging. Later, I moved the line forwards, which routed them. Then the Lancers made sure they didn't come back.

So much fun http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[son of spam]

What a coincidence DnC, my best kill ratio was achieved in my German game too

It was against the Polish though, so it wasn't anything to be proud of. It was a medmod game, and I had 2 +1v knechtes including a 2 star knechte gen, 7 archer units, 3 heerban, 3 spears and one woodsmen. The Polish attacking force had lots of spearmen and woodsmen, along with one or two polish retainers. I modded woodsmen to carry a small sheild and increased their charge to 4, though, so it was a bit tougher than normal medmod.

I positioned my archers on a very steep mountain, with spears protecting their front and knechtes, heerban, and woodsmen on the flanks. I had the archers hold fire until the polish were at the foot of the mountain. When I pressed A and my archers launched arrow after arrow at the polish...it was pretty funny to watch units melt away http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

A lucky shot killed their gen, and it was all downhill (literally, since they were charging upslope) for them afterwards. I countercharged, and they all routed. Result: 798 polish dead (executed all prisoners), 5 germans killed (including 2 archers killed by friendly fire).

[Hugh Jazz]

I used to have pretty decent killratios in STW and, not being a strategic mastermind, I was pretty happy. But lately, I've even been losing to the underdog while defending(not often, but it happens). Ah well, I'm going to have to get into some Sun Tzu's art of war soon.

[[DnC]]

Citaat[/b] (son of spam @ April 11 2004,17:19)]What a coincidence DnC, my best kill ratio was achieved in my German game too
Actually I can't remember which faction I played when getting the 1227/1 kill/death ratio http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif The first part and everything after it are from two different campaigns http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Lord Ovaat]

My victories are generally quite decisive. But, then, so are my defeats. I am very consistent. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[son of spam]

Quote[/b] ([DnC] @ April 12 2004,08:11)]
Quote[/b] (son of spam @ April 11 2004,17:19)]What a coincidence DnC, my best kill ratio was achieved in my German game too
Actually I can't remember which faction I played when getting the 1227/1 kill/death ratio http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif The first part and everything after it are from two different campaigns http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
lol http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[Sun Tzui]

My best kill ratio just happened yesterday.

862 Vikings vs 2.637 Picts

lost 70 and killed 1.754


http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Satyr]

Of course it's not really fair when playing as the Vikings. You could attack with 16 units of Joms and probably only lose 1 or 2 men out of each unit and slaughter everyone.

I killed/captured 1240ish Longbows with my Chevaliers last night and only lost 13. If the English hadn't had a unit of Norman Knights I wouldn't have lost but 3 or 4. Of course I had 16 units of chivalric level knights or better and he had only archers and the one horse company. Too bad for him. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Impaler]

My best kill/lost ratio was in a battle a Viking game. I killed nearly 900, more or less, rebels and I lost 10-15 men. The battle that was a real cataclysm and a turning point in my war with the allied Turks and Egyptian against my Aragonese in Antioch I lost little more than 400 men but killed 2800. Not much of a ratio but still a great battle.

[Xecthilor]

I've had some excellent crusader victories in an expert/italian campaign, fighting two 2000+ egyptian armies back to back and coming out pretty well. At the same time, I had a one thousand man force in Serbia that got spanked by a little under 400 byzantines. It depends on who your fighting, and what you have. Slavic warriors against Byzantine infantry: bad. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

[Dunedin_dude]

I seem to get a lot of kills out of my King.
I've been sending off by himself against enemy provinces, trying to get him killed in a glorious fashion, to get rid of that nasty excommunication, so I can get these cursades working against the heathens.
As soon as he manages to get the valour up to 3-4, he manages to chew through a ~100 odd, hobilars, spearmen, whoever, before he routs.

[Ashen]

Hmm. kekvit mod game where I got somewhere around 2500 for 80 vs the Polish playing as the Russians. Covered 2 bridges with a unit each of rus spearmen who racked up over 1000 kills between them.

And speaking of massive kills, a JHI general I had online a few months ago managed to break 500 kills in a 2v2. and I still lost http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[-Amon-]

my best kill ratio is:

600 danish(me) against 3200 polish..result was:

1860 polish loses
210 danish loses..

and... i win http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[-Amon-]

my best ratio is:

me(danes) against poland..

around 600 danish against around 3200 polish(i cant remember true numbers..)

result was:

i ve lose 200 men
they ve lose around 1900 men..

and.. i win http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[Leo]

Hey, you seem to be getting better.

[Oaty]

Well when I win its usually about a 1 to 1 kill ratio but the tons of florins that fly in from the prisoner is well worth it.

When I lose I just hope they do'nt have too many cavalry with them

[Oaty]

Well when I win its usually about a 1 to 1 kill ratio but the tons of florins that fly in from the prisoner is well worth it.

When I lose I just hope they do'nt have too many cavalry with them

[Oaty]

Well when I win its usually about a 1 to 1 kill ratio but the tons of florins that fly in from the prisoner is well worth it.

When I lose I just hope they do'nt have too many cavalry with them

[Tricky Lady]

{triple post, whoa}

My kill ratios are usually rather ...err... terrible.
I just won a battle against the Turkish. Starting 904 (my army) against 400 (theirs). Me killing 350, they killing 350 too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif I *really* gotta practise much much more...

[Ulair]

Wow, there's a great echo in here...
here...

My most satisfying ratio was the other night - French crusade invades Bulgaria, French crusade gets a kicking from Trebizond archers, HAs and Kats, French crusade retreats leaving 600 dead to my 30 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Of course, being a crusade they keep trying, and keep dying http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

Cheers,
Ulair

[Ulair]

Wow, there's a great echo in here...
here...

My most satisfying ratio was the other night - French crusade invades Bulgaria, French crusade gets a kicking from Trebizond archers, HAs and Kats, French crusade retreats leaving 600 dead to my 30 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Of course, being a crusade they keep trying, and keep dying http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

Cheers,
Ulair

[Ulair]

Hmm: internal server error 500 (clearly after accepting posts, tho'). Anyone got Tosa's mobile number? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Powermonger]

Does anyone have any recorded games for these victories? I'd love to watch then and see what kind of tactics other people use, maybe I might learn something and make my games that much better.

My biggest victory was like 80 deaths to 2300 deaths as the English while fighting the Spaniards. Mind you, my General was a 8 star with 9 dread so the Spanish troops were wetting their pants when his mere horse whipped his tail. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Cebrus]

I cant seem to get such decisive victories in Medieval. Maybe i just havent gotten used to the game (i'm not a 'stats' person) because i use to get some sever victories in Shogun.

[RedKnight]

I once took out the ENTIRE Mongol horde - the year they appeared, in the one province where they appeared (Khazar) - with a dozen longbows, a few chiv sgts, but mainly eleven units of billmen. The longbows weren't hurt much; they shot in the beginning of the battle (screened by the bills), then withdrew. The sgts helped at first and were cut kind of bad. I lost half the bills.

I did it with some primo billmen (silver shields but no iron; a 7 star general)... and a LOT of time... ambushing the Horde in a forest. The forest kept the arrows off of me, and made my bills lethal to horses. This forest was in a corner of the map so I made an L along the edges... when a mongol unit went after one arm of the L, the other arm pincered. It's like: a huge pile of men go into a room. The door closes, the lights go out. Much thumping and screaming is heard. Then the door slowly opens again. One near-dead guy crawls out. Over and over again.

Actually quite a few got away from each unit, which the AI would quickly recycle. I had killed the Horde general early on with my longbows, which helped them route quicker. His gazillion MWs and MHAs mainly just used up their arrows pretty uselessly (being in a forest) and left.

This battle took ungodly time and patience - maybe 12 hours long, the one battle. (How I feared a power outage or CTD.) I would 'recycle' tired bills to the very corner of the map so they could rest.

Near the end of the battle, the Horde did the damnedest thing... they stopped coming to where I was and instead bunched up in a place on the map, the entire 16 units of replacements, not moving, not firing, all in precisely the same spot such that you could hardly see the banners apart. I surrounded them with bills on all four sides, gave the attack order, and the carnage was absolute. They did this with their last 3 waves of replacements... and I did, too.

The end-battle tally was 4,285 killed, 2,858 captured, and 449 lost (~300 bills, the rest mainly chiv sgts). But when I got back to the strat map, it said 8,624 had been captured (including 33 nobles); I guess the difference was the routers who had nowhere to go, being as how the Horde had just appeared and had no land.

That was my battle to end all battles. And thank god I didn't CTD.

[gaijinalways]

For killing ratios, without listing armor/attack upgrades and valor of both sides' troops and the generals as well as troop types, it is rather difficult to say how much of it is a tactics victory (use of terrain, approach to enemy, use of reinforcements, etc.) and how much of it is a tech up victory.

[Drake]

Best kill ratio was on my current campaign as the Danes, (yes, still at it). I'd built a Master Swordsmith, Master Metalsmith and Master Armourer all in Sweden and was producing from there Chivalric Men-At-Arms with gold armour and weapons plus a +1 starting valour. Putting them under the command of a 6* general then giving him a seal of office (Admiralty), made him an 8*. Off they march with a few crossbow men, some halbreiders for the flanks and another unit of Royal Knights and some moutned sergeants, all of whom have golden armour due to Master Armourers in Norway and Denmark. So, off they dander down to deal with a hell of a lot of Egyptians currently threatening me borders in Poland. The year I marched this army in it was to attack a force of 300, mostly Numidian Spearmen, Camels, Arab Infantry and some peasants, al lwith some kind of armour and weapons upgrades, under the command of a 3* general. easy victory I thought. Same year of attack, in march just under 4000 Egyptians, including Saracen Infantry, Ghazi Calvary and lots more Arab Infantry and Desert archers, under the command of 5* general. Oh dear. To make it worst, my retreat was cut off by a Polish sneak attack on Prussia (thanks for that). My only option was to slug it out.

So, quick math:

-Chivalric Men-At-Arms x 8 (All gold armour and weapons with +1 valour)= 480
-Royal Knights x 2 (Gold armour, plus 8* general) = 40
-Crossbow men x 3 (Gold armour) = 180
-Halbrieders (can't spell that to save me life) x 2 (Again gold armour)=120
-Mounted Sgts (Yes, gold armour too) x 2 = 80

Grand total of my forces = 900

versus

Assorted 4000 Egyptians with varying degrees of armour, weapons and valour plus a 5* general to lead including some princes.

Best possible result? = Take a few of them with us.
Actual result? =

Me: 210
Egyptians: 2895 dead, 400 captured.

Without a doubt, my finest hour. Gotta love it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Cazbol]

The most one-sided victories I see are in Napoleonic Total War. The accuracy of the artillery is far too great and the MTW battlefield AI isn't prepared for such a thing. Therefore I usually just slaughter them from a great distance, often without taking a single casualty. Numbers like 800 kills to 0 deaths are quite common.

[Ulair]

Quote[/b] (Opeth @ May 19 2004,23:25)]Does anyone have any recorded games for these victories? I'd love to watch then and see what kind of tactics other people use, maybe I might learn something and make my games that much better.

Hi Opeth,

FWIW, here's (http://www.epcc.ed.ac.uk/~rmb/MTW/DefenceOfBulgaria.mrp) a recording of my trouncing the French crusade in Bulgaria. I always record significant wins for later gloating http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Cheers,
Ulair

[Colovion]

Hmm - I'm loving this place (and game) more and more.

My best victory wasn't the greatest thing, but it was awesome to win. Wessex was invaded - I had a unit of Royal Knights, a unit Peasants and a unit of Hobs. They had three times my numbers. Ill spare you the strategy besides that I flanked the enemy general and ended up ending the battle pretty quickly after killing him witha spearhead from my hobs http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif Lost about ten men and captured or killed their whole army.... won the battle but lost the war http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

[GeoRElrod]

Quote[/b] (Opeth @ May 19 2004,17:25)]Mind you, my General was a 8 star with 9 dread
Does dread affect the outcome of a battle? I thought it was just to keep the loyalty of your provinces in line?