Prince to a King

[YAKOBU]

Hi everyone

At work at the moment but this has been bugging me all morning. Last night I had Prince Richard reach 18 with loads of good attributes and he had 5 older brothers. I wanted to develop him further to keep as a general and assumed the oldest brother would become king first. Unfortunately as soon as the king died Richard became king and not his brothers. Now I know when looking at the list of princes he was at the top so assume this lists priority of who becomes king next but why did he take priority??

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[Leo]

Is it possible that the five older princes where his uncles and not his brothers?
Because the eldest son becomes king, if there are no grown up sons brothers will get the crown.

I find that this can get quite confusing because I often loose track who is son and who is brother, especially when a heir becomes king and already has some children. Then the sons can be older than the uncles and I don't know who is who any more.

[Don Corleone]

I agree, it sounds like you've got uncles listed in with your heir. That's the only time younger men are listed above older men. You know, for an added touch of realism in a mod, they should have made the uncle a regent, until the nephew got old enough to take the throne. Then, at the boy's 16th birthday... who knows? Didn't Richard III murder all of his nephews to keep the throne? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[YAKOBU]

Thanks Leo & Don http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

Will check late on tonight when home from work and son in bed, although I did think his uncles automatically became generals. May start again with pen and paper to track family tree http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

[Apocalyp$e]

I always thought it changed depending how old they were, after a certain age a prince no longer becomes eligable for the crown.. I have had princes that live to get pretty old and the crown gets passed on to someone younger...

[Tricky Lady]

Quote[/b] (YAKOBU @ April 16 2004,15:23)]May start again with pen and paper to track family tree http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif
That's what I usually do too. You don't get confused so easily then.
However... last week in my Byz campaign, a son was born one year after the emperor's death. I supposed this was my new emperor's first heir. But no, after 16 years, he didn't show up as the future emperor; he was just the old emperor's last son (so the actual emperor's younger brother). The old bugger didn't live anymore to see his youngest son live (he had brilliant stats, btw).

[YAKOBU]

Hello again Tricky Lady

Well I used pen and paper last night and no problems. All princes in order by age. Only thing I did find was that after a period all the previous princes (now high valour/command Plantagents) had disappeared? I did take my eye off them for half a dozen turns, Not sure how although I did use them in a crusade I think and maybe they deserted on the way or got killed at front of a wedge lol (I do tend to use royal cavalry in wedge unless it is the army commander)

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[Tricky Lady]

Ciao.
Well, if you're in VI, the royal generals die at a certain age (you'll get a screen titled General died of old age). The general will be replaced by an carbon-copy general (only his name will change).

[Finn]

When an heir comes on to the throne, everyone in the previous generation to him gets removed (eg all his uncles are no longer in line to the throne), but all his brothers and his sons are shown, when the kind dies, his oldest son becomes king, if he has no sons, then one of his brothers become king (i assume the next oldest brother)


so the heir list shows both king's brothers AND kings sons, you cant tell purely from age, however the one in red i think is the next heir, and i think the entire list is shown in heir order, so all the kings sons will be at the top in order of oldest to youngest, followed by all the kings brothers in order from oldest to youngest

eg something like this


Kings Son 33

[PseRamesses]

I usually writes down this info on a scrap-note, like a family-tree, to keep track of who´s who. I extensively use uncles as generals but I´m very reluctant to use my heirs, if I´m not shure of winning or don´t have a choice.

[YAKOBU]

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[YAKOBU]

Hi Tricky Lady

Went back to an earlier save to check. The 2 Plantagents were there and their profiles showed a crown for royal blood but no age. They both disappeared on the same turn without any notification, although the new generals had same stats but obviously not the royal blood. So I can still develop them as stats carry over but not showing age means I don't know when they will disappear

Thanks

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[Tricky Lady]

Glad that it's sorted out.
BTW, are you sure you didn't get the General Died of Old age screen? I thought it always shows up when your generals is 5*+ or so... Well, guess I'm wrong at that point then. (but still: in my games I often see this screen).

[YAKOBU]

Tricky Lady

I think my generals were 2* and 4* command but valour 4 and 7, not sure why it would differentiate between them??

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[Tricky Lady]

Okay, that means that I was just plain wrong in my theory. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[meravelha]

It has sort of appeared to me that it is the Prince who is physically nearest to the King (or Sultan) when he dies.

If true, this makes for some interesting choices.

[katank]

not so.

I think it's son if you have one, brother if you don't. After that, based on age.

neither, then you are screwed unless HRE.

[Bhruic]

I've one time had the not-oldest brother become king. I had 2 brother, one a 2 star, one a 5 star - but no sons old enough yet. The 2 star was the oldest. I had been hoping the king would hold out long enough for his sons to mature. Unfortunately, the king died. I wasn't too upset at first, thinking that the 2 star brother would be king, and wasn't much of a loss of a general. But no, the 5 star became king. That irked me greatly, so I reloaded, and this time when the king died, the 2 star became king. Never came up with an explanation of why he didn't the first time.

Bh

[Ulair]

Quote[/b] (katank @ April 26 2004,04:41)]neither, then you are screwed unless HRE.

I know the HREs are elected, but how does this work in the game (never played HRE, so sorry for the dumb question - just curious).