Computer Games preview of RTW...

[Leet Eriksson]

Ok due to lack of time on my hand,i'll post the entire preview if you all are interested as for now i have several remarks regarding this review:

First of all i noticed in one pic,the post-marian legionnares against a bunch of barbarians but whats distinct is they were wearing the lorica hamata,good side from the developers of RTW first of becuase the lorica segmentata was not introduced until later and second it seems the unit armour changes when you research better armour(possibly earlier versions of bull warrior units might be a bit more historically accurate,if they ever existed or they existed under another name)

Second the carthaginians had cataphract elephants....i don't know if they ever used cataphract elephants but it seems thats the effect of researching and producing better armour,i might be wrong tho.

Last the writer of the article does'nt seem to be well versed in history,becuase the carthaginians never existed in Julius Ceasars time,but he also mentions scipio africanus against hannibal in one of the screens....weired really http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif it might be related to the game i think...

Anyways in my next post i'll write down the article,i don't know if that is copyright infringment so if any mods are on please warn me.

If anyone wants the pics of the preview please tell me,becuase i'll scan them and send them via email(due to copyright infringment i don't think i can put them up in here http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif).

[Sir Robin]

I don't think you can get put the entire review word for word due to copywrite infringement.

However you can summarize. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Gregoshi]

Right. Summarize the preview. Maybe include one or two short quotes if it is significant.

[Leet Eriksson]

ah ok thanks,i'll summarise it and make it pretty short.

Here is a direct qoute of Ian Roxburgh(Director)"Each of the factions in the game has completly different unit types and therefore different styls of fighting"

Although it might have been heard before please take notice that he mentioned that each faction not each culture of the game,will have different unit types,might be good news if taken literaly.

In the preview it mentions the map will be from britain to the eastern mediterranean,and from north africa to east of europe,so basically its the MTW map.WARNING(my opinion ahead):I think they will expand it a littile bit more becuase of factions like seleucids and parthians.

I dunno but this scares me a bit its about the controls,Ian Roxburgh comments"Everything throughout the battle and in the campaign uses a simple left click to select and right click to move"I don't know but after playiung medieval a bit i think i'm pretty fine with left click as move.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif also there is mention of a full mini-campaign tutorial to accomodate new-comers and veterans alike.probably for the new control style.

The game will have AI controlled governers who will happily take over your place when things get tedious,its also for those player types who want to automate their economy and just go on battles,pretty scary tho,becuase this brings up MOO 3 all over again....

On the music,it will be context sensitive this time around,so when your armies marching its all quite and cool,and when fighting it gets intense.IMO this is the best feature so far in the audio department,also i find context sensitive music much less boring than the sound tracks that play and never repeat agaion...

Last significant thing on the game is,it will support upwards to 10,000 units on screen at one time...did'nt they say earlier something like 20,000?

Thats all i tried to get from the review,hopefully you all enjoyed reading http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[CBR]

Hm only 10000? That cant be right. AFAIK you should be able to have 2 armies yourself (one AI controlled) and the 8 player MP/custom battle is still there. Thats still 160 units so that would mean 60 men per unit...

C..c..cant be right http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif



CBR

[Basileus]

thanks for the mini prewiev faisal http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Sjakihata]

thank you fizz http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[RisingSun]

What about pictures? Can he scan them?

[Monk]

Quote[/b] (RisingSun @ April 19 2004,18:25)]What about pictures? Can he scan them?
If you want pictures then go over to TWC, they don't seem to be worried about copywrite laws... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] (Monk @ April 20 2004,00:05)]
Quote[/b] (RisingSun @ April 19 2004,18:25)]What about pictures? Can he scan them?
If you want pictures then go over to TWC, they don't seem to be worried about copywrite laws... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
Until someone Sues them for breach of copyright that is http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Monk]

Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ April 19 2004,19:14)]
Quote[/b] (Monk @ April 20 2004,00:05)]
Quote[/b] (RisingSun @ April 19 2004,18:25)]What about pictures? Can he scan them?
If you want pictures then go over to TWC, they don't seem to be worried about copywrite laws... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
Until someone Sues them for breach of copyright that is http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Yep, that too. But nobody has found out yet so... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-zzz.gif

[squippy]

re: cataphract elephants....

I don't know about the carthaginians but there is a full-scale model of an Indian war elephant decked out in chain mail in the Armoury Museum at Leeds. I even have a couple of photo's of it.

[Leet Eriksson]

Quote[/b] (squippy @ April 20 2004,03:47)]re: cataphract elephants....

I don't know about the carthaginians but there is a full-scale model of an Indian war elephant decked out in chain mail in the Armoury Museum at Leeds. I even have a couple of photo's of it.
you would'nt mind posting them for us to see? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[RisingSun]

I have to say, Faisal emailed me the pics, and something struck me as curious. You know those blue Romans with the wolf's head symbol? They were RED. Regular Roman red. Now, there are a few explanations. First, (and the one I hope for) is that all Roman factions are red in single player, and only different colors in custom games. Or, they could have just been playing a custom game and been fooling around with the faction colors.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (CBR @ April 19 2004,13:34)]Hm only 10000? That cant be right. AFAIK you should be able to have 2 armies yourself (one AI controlled) and the 8 player MP/custom battle is still there. Thats still 160 units so that would mean 60 men per unit...

C..c..cant be right http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif



CBR
Don't worry. You have to take into consideration this:

STW:

Max SP (2 armies): 1920*2 = 3840 men
Max Internet MP (4 armies): 1920*4 = 7680 men
Max LAN MP (8 armies): 1920*8 = 15360 men

MTW:

Max SP (2 armies): 1920*2 = 3840 men
Max Internet MP (4 armies): 3200*4 = 12800 men
Max LAN MP (8 armies): 3200*8 = 25600 men

As RTW has a different strategic map the limitation of armies with 1920 men, in SP, should not exist. Also, since RTW has 20 units in each army (instead of 16), and since max unit size is 300 men, we'll probably have:

RTW:

Max SP (2 armies): 6000*2 = 12000 men
Max Internet MP (4 armies): 6000*4 = 24000 men
Max LAN MP (8 armies): 6000*8 = 48000 men

BTW, in the PCZONE (UK) magazine article about RTW, the CA guys told the reporter that the max (for 8 player LAN MP) was about 40000. So, no worries about that... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink2.gif

[Knight_Yellow]

some of your numbers are hideously wrong.

MP games on the net can be up to 8 players

and single player games can involve more than 2 players.

and PC Zone said RTW's max unit size was stated as 48,000 not 40,000

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ April 24 2004,15:04)]some of your numbers are hideously wrong.

MP games on the net can be up to 8 players
They can? I thought the max was 4.



Quote[/b] ]and single player games can involve more than 2 players.
I know that. I wasn't speaking of allies... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-surprised.gif

OK. To be up to your standard it should say:

STW:

Max SP (with only 2 armies on the field): 1920*2 = 3840 men
Max MP (8 armies): 1920*8 = 15360 men

MTW:

Max SP (with 2 only armies on the field): 1920*2 = 3840 men
Max MP (8 armies): 3200*8 = 25600 men

As RTW has a different strategic map the limitation of armies with 1920 men, in SP, should not exist. Also, since RTW has 20 units in each army (instead of 16), and since max unit size is 300 men, we'll probably have:

RTW:

Max SP (with only 2 armies on the field): 6000*2 = 12000 men
Max MP (8 armies): 6000*8 = 48000 men



Quote[/b] ]and PC Zone said RTW's max unit size was stated as 48,000 not 40,000
How about:

BTW, in the PCZONE (UK) magazine article about RTW, the CA guys told the reporter that the max (for 8 player LAN MP) was more than 40000. So, no worries about that...

Happy now? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-clown.gif

[Knight_Yellow]

Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ April 24 2004,22:41)]
Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ April 24 2004,15:04)]some of your numbers are hideously wrong.

MP games on the net can be up to 8 players
They can? I thought the max was 4.



Quote[/b] ]and single player games can involve more than 2 players.
I know that. I wasn't speaking of allies... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-surprised.gif

OK. To be up to your standard it should say:

STW:

Max SP (with only 2 armies on the field): 1920*2 = 3840 men
Max MP (8 armies): 1920*8 = 15360 men

MTW:

Max SP (with 2 only armies on the field): 1920*2 = 3840 men
Max MP (8 armies): 3200*8 = 25600 men

As RTW has a different strategic map the limitation of armies with 1920 men, in SP, should not exist. Also, since RTW has 20 units in each army (instead of 16), and since max unit size is 300 men, we'll probably have:

RTW:

Max SP (with only 2 armies on the field): 6000*2 = 12000 men
Max MP (8 armies): 6000*8 = 48000 men



Quote[/b] ]and PC Zone said RTW's max unit size was stated as 48,000 not 40,000
How about:

BTW, in the PCZONE (UK) magazine article about RTW, the CA guys told the reporter that the max (for 8 player LAN MP) was more than 40000. So, no worries about that...

Happy now? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-clown.gif
yes.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ April 24 2004,16:47)]
Quote[/b] (Aymar de Bois Mauri @ April 24 2004,22:41)]
Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ April 24 2004,15:04)]some of your numbers are hideously wrong.

MP games on the net can be up to 8 players
They can? I thought the max was 4.



Quote[/b] ]and single player games can involve more than 2 players.
I know that. I wasn't speaking of allies... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-surprised.gif

OK. To be up to your standard it should say:

STW:

Max SP (with only 2 armies on the field): 1920*2 = 3840 men
Max MP (8 armies): 1920*8 = 15360 men

MTW:

Max SP (with 2 only armies on the field): 1920*2 = 3840 men
Max MP (8 armies): 3200*8 = 25600 men

As RTW has a different strategic map the limitation of armies with 1920 men, in SP, should not exist. Also, since RTW has 20 units in each army (instead of 16), and since max unit size is 300 men, we'll probably have:

RTW:

Max SP (with only 2 armies on the field): 6000*2 = 12000 men
Max MP (8 armies): 6000*8 = 48000 men



Quote[/b] ]and PC Zone said RTW's max unit size was stated as 48,000 not 40,000
How about:

BTW, in the PCZONE (UK) magazine article about RTW, the CA guys told the reporter that the max (for 8 player LAN MP) was more than 40000. So, no worries about that...

Happy now? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-clown.gif
yes.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
Good. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[Sir Kuma of The Org]

I also got the computer gaming preview, Rome Total War is the cover http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

Heres a list of the factions

The house of Julii
The house of Brutii
The house of Scipii
The Senate and the People of Rome
Macedon
Egypt
Seleucid Empire
Carthage
Parthia
Pontus
Gaul
Germania
Britannia
Armenia
Dacia
The Greek Cities
Numidia
Scythia
Iberia
Thrace

They also said that "the fact that a top end machine will be able to have upward of 10,000 units on screen in a single battle".

But the teaser in the article was were they mentioned that "in a moment of inebriation, word slipped that another game is currently in the works and has been secretly in development for some time" referring clearly to a secret project concerning the Total war Franchise - the news should come out Officially at E3 this may. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

There is also some other interesting stuff like AI controlled Generals on your side of the battlefield if you choose to delegate some parts of the battle decisions....

Anyways Hello to all...

[squippy]

Quote[/b] (faisal @ April 20 2004,04:17)][quote=squippy,April 20 2004,03:47]
you would'nt mind posting them for us to see? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif


http://www.geocities.com/contracycle/elephant/elephant-angle.jpg

[squippy]

http://www.geocities.com/contracycle/elephant/elephant-front.JPG

[squippy]

Incidentally, that huge scimitar behind the elephant on the left is a headsmans sword weighing in at 30 kilo's

I've not tried this before so let me know if you can see them.

[Leet Eriksson]

hmmm can't see them...if its not working send them to me via email.i'll PM you the email.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

I can see them. Great pictures indeed. GREAT is the word. Maybe TOO GREAT though... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wink.gif

[Oaty]

going directly to the kink for the pic seems to work better
http://www.geocities.com/contracycle/elephant/elephant-angle.jpg

[squippy]

Yeah they looked a bit vast. But anyway, you certainly wouldn't want one of them steaming down on you at speed.

If I had more bandwidth I'd love to make them more available, if anyone wanted to see them. If anyone wants to host just let me know - I have quite a few of pics from the armouries museum, mostly live action jousting (with splintering lances and the whole deal).

If anyone gets a chance to go, its well worth it.