A "Captured" Prince?

[Lacker]

So one of my princes just matured, had never seen the field of battle and because his father is a louse I figured I'd see if the son was any better. He has a Vice/Virture of Captured, saying he is terrified after being captured by the enemy.

How is this possible if he's never been into battle and hence, never captured?

Thanks all
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[Mouzafphaerre]

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LOL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif I guess it's just another outcome of randomness, like "weak principles".
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[katank]

that's quite interesting.

the morale bonus is good though so use him.

[squippy]

Clearly the system generates a set of random V&V's for main characters like heirs.

To justify this, the prince copuld easily have been a hostage in another court. He could have been kidnapped by a rowdy vassal. These thinigs happened; its not beyond the realm of possibility at all.

[Wishazu]

yeah an army general with captured vice/virtue gives any troops under his command +3 morale I think. but suffers -1 command(i think)) lol

[katank]

actually I think it scales. it's captured, tortured, etc.

starts with -1 command, +1 morale and goes up.

the command decrease can be offset by titles. the morale bonus is sweet though.

[son of spam]

Actually the morale bonus is even sweeter than you think Katank.

Captured gives -1 command, +3 morale
Tortured gives -2 command, +6 morale
Traumatised gives -3 command, +9 morale

Thus it is possible to have a 7 star general be traumatised (so he's a four star) and then give him constable title and governor of trebizond for +4 stars so he becomes an 8 star with +9 morale. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

Not even peasents rout.

[katank]

really?

drool. I better get my best general captured then. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[son of spam]

lol, sometimes the captured vice doesn't show up for some reason even if you ransom him back. All you end up with is a bigger deficit in the bank http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[katank]

yeah, unfortunately, the V&Vs are bugged like that.

I got short changed like that once http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[The_Emperor]

Of course part of the problem with ransoming is that it tends to work against you...

Chances are AI commanders will be captured by you a lot more times than you are by them. Such a huge Morale bonus for the AI army can make it a lot harder to eliminate next time you meet, especially if the General is a Good Commander as has already been said.

As such all captured High Command Generals must die I feel, or you may regret it.

[Oaty]

The only unit I never ransom back are Varangian Guards and Kataphraktoi and battles at risk of losing, whereas if you dont hit the kill prisoners soon enough they don't get killed, seems to me you have to killl all prisoners about 15 to 30 seconds before your whole army is routed to be effective. My most lovely moment was against the horde, after losing a previous battle to them I was a bit worried. Well I capture the Khan and there army starts routing but as I trying to regroup my units they are rallying and coming back at me and I see tons af wavering flags. Well screw the chance of 10,000 florins Off with the great Khans head. I eventually came out to win the battle but the horde payed dearly for there aggressiveness and became ronin