fastest faction elimination?

[katank]

hi, I just had a single battle in which I killed off the Danes as the byz.

they had the kalmar union when I invaded sweden with a force of many treb archers, some byz inf, and a katank heir.

they retreated and the next turn counterattacked.

I was flabbergasted to see not only their king but also no less than 6 princes, all RKs in their force.

my swords might have problems killing them all.

I set up my battles lines with the katank general, 2 byz inf, and 1 varangian with 12 treb archers since I thought I can probably kill their princes using archery.

too bad they picked a day with torrential rain. Hence, my archer fire wasn't that effective.

however, 1 byz inf unit slaughtered more than 250 enemies though it was decimated itself.

timely charges by my varangian and katanks saved the day.

surprisingly, not only did I kill their jedi king, but all 6 of their princes

they degenerated into rebels from just one battle.

anyone had this happen before? excepting the pope who has no heirs or the khan who sometimes has no heirs.

[[DnC]]

I'm sure of it that I had a couple of those kinda battles, but can't remember one in particular.

It's especially a welcome when up against a very powerful enemy (really large armies, crack troops and high star'd generals). I think I had a battle as stated by you with such a powerful enemy a few weeks ago. Due to modding I had to restart quite a few campaigns lately, so that's why I can't recall it correctly.

Anyways, now I know where your name comes from http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[discovery1]

Once playing as the Germans I eliminated the Danes in a single battle. I lost the battle thought, but they lost the entire royal line.

[PseRamesses]

Mr Blitz Katank has done it again. Boy, I hate to go up against you in a MP-game.

I actually took out the entire French royal family on early after just 10 years or so into the game which lead to the fact that until this very day the French hate to speak English because it reminds them of that day of defeat. ;)

[katank]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-blush.gif well, I'm always rushing as any faction.

actually, I haven't played MP. I've yet to play against a human player.

I personally like strategy more than tactics.

conquest of nearby factions in a few turns is a bit boring now.

wonder what would happen if I turtle?

hmmm, can't imagine that.

Nice how you took out the French royal family. How many princes were there?

I was really shocked at this particular battle since there were 7 royal family members and not a single one survived http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

usually those jedi boys get their BGs all killed, get down to one man, slaughter half my army and escapes. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

[DojoRat]

While playing the French I took out the English in one turn of three attacks. I was only trying to consolidate before I went for the Krak but with a battle in Aquitaine and retreats from from Norm and Anjou I bagged the entire royal clan. Never has so little effort accomplished so much. A motto to live by.

[Doug-Thompson]

I don't recall ever killing half a dozen heirs or more in the same battle.

[PseRamesses]

Quote[/b] (katank @ April 20 2004,15:15)]

Quote[/b] ] I personally like strategy more than tactics. Conquest of nearby factions in a few turns is a bit boring now. Wonder what would happen if I turtle? Hmmm, can't imagine that.

Well, it shure doesn´t looks like it reading all your posts but I totally agree with you. So I´m gonna give you a challenge; how about a turtle game, GA-style? I pick one for you and you pick one for me, ok? Is it a duel, Sir?


Quote[/b] ] Nice how you took out the French royal family. How many princes were there?

Well, they just got their first prince so just one.

[VikingHorde]

I have tryed it some times. One of the times was the french vs. english (I being french). The stupid english attacked me in the woods and I only had Urban M. and pesants. The english royal family was no more http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[katank]

Quote[/b] ]Well, it shure doesn´t looks like it reading all your posts but I totally agree with you. So I´m gonna give you a challenge; how about a turtle game, GA-style? I pick one for you and you pick one for me, ok? Is it a duel, Sir?


duel? ok

which faction and period for GA

most of my GA games don't go that well in terms of turtling.

usually I end up saying peaceful GA this time. then some idiot faction attack me and I blitz them in like 2 turns. they made me conquer the world, I swear http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

for your game. do you mean GA or TD?

[PseRamesses]

Quote[/b] (katank @ April 20 2004,16:19)]duel? ok
which faction and period for GA
for your game. do you mean GA or TD?
Good,
Which faction, in your opinion, would be the hardest one to turtle with GA-style? Same rules for us both. We can both play the same agreed upon faction.

Hardest GA-goals: early French?, high Russian? early HRE?
Hardest turtle faction: early Aragon?, late Swiss? early Turk?

What do you suggest?

Special rules:
? No offensive war (if not a GA-goal), just defending.
? No bribing either.
? You may conquer rebel lands that neighbours yours.
? You may not kill prisoners at all, ever.

Can you figure out some more rules to make it realisticly harder?

[katank]

obey pope even with defensive action (assuming catholic)?

interesting.

hardest GAs are early french and early HRE if you want to fulfill them all.

hard turtling might be early aragon and turks.

frankly, I've never played either of these without mad rushing.

they should all be hard.

both turtle factions would have problems keeping off massive hordes of opposing troops.

no offensive war might make the french quite hard as to fulfilling the krak.

HRE would just have problems staying in the church long enough for crusade GAs.

[Mega Dux Bob]

Quote[/b] (PseRamesses @ April 20 2004,17:17)][quote=katank,April 20 2004,16:19]duel? ok


Special rules:
? No offensive war (if not a GA-goal), just defending.
? No bribing either.
? You may conquer rebel lands that neighbours yours.
? You may not kill prisoners at all, ever.

Can you figure out some more rules to make it realisticly harder?
Try no more troops than can fit in castles, no mixing stacks (the troops from a regin fight as their own army) and title holders must be knights.

[PseRamesses]

Quote[/b] (katank @ April 20 2004,17:28)]Hardest GAs are early french and early HRE if you want to fulfill them all.
HRE would just have problems staying in the church long enough for crusade GAs.
Ok, how about this then:

HRE, early, GA-style. Timeframe: 1087-1205AD

Special rules:
No offensive war (if not a GA-goal), just defending.
No bribing rebs or other factions armies either.
You may conquer rebel lands that neighbours yours.
You may not kill prisoners at all, ever.
Obey Pope (makes it hard to get GA goal Rome huh?)
Meet all GA-goals possible.

Take a GA-screen in 1205AD and post it here.

You like, me and you fence now, huh? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ht_duel.gif

[son of spam]

lol what's this about all these rules 'n stuff. I suggest you all play early/expert/GA/medmod/HRE. Let's see your 1337 m4dz 5k1llz

[PseRamesses]

Quote[/b] (son of spam @ April 20 2004,19:37)]lol what's this about all these rules 'n stuff. I suggest you all play early/expert/GA/medmod/HRE. Let's see your 1337 m4dz 5k1llz
Oh, it´s just Katank and me getting a bit bored on blitzing all the time and taking advantage of the AI. So we just thought that the AI could take advantage of us instead.

[katank]

yeah, it's nice to have a change of tempo, but I think that this campaign may be the longest campaign yet.

none of my campaigns thus have exceeded 100 years. I might look forward to endless microing of a miserably poor empire.

BTW, should we have restrictions on trade?

also, neighboring rebels mean that I can still go to the steppes through the 2 P's right?

maybe picking HRE means bye bye peaceful part of GA.

you raise a good point about obeying pope and restoration of empire GA.

no offensive wars may mean we can't mow through Italy.

wait, if we intentionally weaken our borders, is that considered OK to bait the AI?

lastly, we playing on expert, VI 2.01?

[PseRamesses]

Quote[/b] (katank @ April 20 2004,20:38)]

Quote[/b] ] yeah, it's nice to have a change of tempo, but I think that this campaign may be the longest campaign yet.
That´s why I thought we end this camp when high kicks in at 1205.

Quote[/b] ] BTW, should we have restrictions on trade?
I was actually thinking of something like that. Maybee we could allow trade down to the Gibraltar. If you succeed with capturing the Italian GA-provinces then trade with the Med should be allowed. What do you think?

Quote[/b] ] also, neighboring rebels mean that I can still go to the steppes through the 2 P's right?
You sly fox you... I was hoping you wouldn´t catch on to that one since then I´d have an edge on you ;) No, actually, what feels german to you. Pomerania and Prussia def is right? The Baltics come into the GA-goals later so personally I´d suggest for an early game that taking Pom and Pru would be ok.

Quote[/b] ]you raise a good point about obeying pope and restoration of empire GA.
Historically HRE where "defenders of the Pope" right? Therefore the GA-goal of taking Rome can´t be obtained unless they are captured, extecuted and the conquering fac then declare war on you. On the other hand protecting the Pope at any cost should be an objective for HRE.

Quote[/b] ] no offensive wars may mean we can't mow through Italy.
Have you ever played a game where the Italians didn´t get x-commed? Since some of their provs are GA goals you are ofcourse free to take thoose provs in an offensive war.

Quote[/b] ] wait, if we intentionally weaken our borders, is that considered OK to bait the AI?
Isn´t that what Sun Tzu wrote; "When we are near we must seem far away". I don´t have a prob with that.

Quote[/b] ] lastly, we playing on expert, VI 2.01?
Is there any other way? Ofcourse. I just have to change back to the original startpos file since mine is to modded for this game.

[katank]

bordering means land borders?

so no go for scandanavia where one can get cool viking units?

rome is also a no no unless the italians or sicilians take it, right?

covert ops with agents fine?

I was thinking trade to gibaltar is fine though I would like seaborne crusades.

well, crusades should be OK, right? even though they are offensive.

also, do we make distinctions between catholics and infidels (orthodox included)?

by purely defensive you mean that we can't sack their provinces even if they attack first?

ie. expansion into steppes stifles the poles who wants to expand at our expense, so sacking poland and/or silesia? not even raids?

(I have problems curbing my offensive side http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif )

no killing prisoners is kinda tough too. I use the kill prisoners button as an order confirmation button. I assign all my units commands and then hit that button. It's refelex now. ANy wonder that most of my generals are secret bloodlovers or getting there? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[PseRamesses]

Quote[/b] (katank @ April 21 2004,19:58)]1 bordering means land borders?
2 rome is also a no no unless the italians or sicilians take it, right?
3 well, crusades should be OK, right? even though they are offensive.
4 by purely defensive you mean that we can't sack their provinces even if they attack first?
5 ie. expansion into steppes stifles the poles who wants to expand at our expense, so sacking poland and/or silesia? not even raids?
1 Yes
2 Yes
3 It´s a GA-goal
4 No
5 No

No offensive wars/ raids/ hostile action against any faction under no circumstances. You wanted a turtle-game right? Beside the above I think we´ve agreed upon the following rules:

HRE, early, GA-style, expert, timeframe: 1087-1205AD

Special rules:
*No offensive war (if not a GA-goal), just defending.
*No bribing rebs or other factions armies either.
*You may conquer rebel lands that neighbours yours.
*You may not kill prisoners at all, ever.
*Obey Pope and protect him.
*Meet all GA-goals possible.
*Trade allowed from the Baltics down to the Gibraltar. If you succeed with capturing the Italian GA-provinces then trade with the Med should be allowed.
*Taking Pomerania and Prussia is allowed but no further expansion until the Livonian GA-goal occurs. Don´t remember the date or maybee it´s after 1205AD?
*Unlimited covert ops with agents allowed.
*No alliances with the infidels. Orthodox allowed though.
*Take a GA-screen in 1205AD and post it here.

[katank]

that sounds good.

will try to follow all the rules.

BTW, can we sack syria in addition to the four crusader states? it consloidates the block signnificantly and boosts defense while also yielding nice assasins for covert ops http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[PseRamesses]

Quote[/b] (katank @ April 22 2004,08:19)]that sounds good.

will try to follow all the rules.

BTW, can we sack syria in addition to the four crusader states? it consloidates the block signnificantly and boosts defense while also yielding nice assasins for covert ops http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif
Ok, I think I have to give in to your bloodthirst sometimes ;) I´ll start my game tonight. Remember I´m in Sweden, some 6 hrs ahead of you.

[katank]

Quote[/b] ]I have to give in to your bloodthirst sometimes ;)
thanks. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif blood thirst, whatever gave you that idea? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[katank]

PseRamesses, I just played until 1100.

one little possible violation I had.

I nabbed Poland.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Well, I took the 2 P's as soon as I could get my king through to them.

However, in 1098, Poland went rebel This is likely due to a Polish civil war.

It was too much for me to resist.

Hence, I grabbed it.

I sacked it in time for the GA point count http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

technically it's not part of our GAs but it is a nice province and shortens our borders a bit as the Polish force in Silesia is only a UM and hence cannot be a threat.

their King is stranded in Moldavia with a stack, but I'm allied with them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Alliances gained with all neighbors except for Danes and the French.

GAH can't wipe out the French. GAH have to wait and see their pathetic attempts on Lorraine again and again and again.

[PseRamesses]

Got alliances with all neighbours by 1091AD. Took out P%P in 1092-93AD. Got really lucky with farming good gov´s and by 1103 all provinces has 5 accumen :D Have been concentrating on farms and mines and just builds spears and archers for defensive purposes. Boy Thoose French and Italian stacks are shure towering my borders. In 1100AD I started to bait the AI by leaving Provence and Prussia undefended for the Italians and Polish to take. Darn Pope won´t accept alliance and has one with the Italians, hmm tricky
The French took Provence in 1105AD and got x-commed so I took it back the same turn and they had massive uprisings with rebels in all provs I can see, he he Good luck Froggy

Yeees In 1115AD the Italians got x-commed from attacking the Pope. "Hold on your holyness I´m comming" Leaving my eastern borders undefended I throw every army at the Italians and in 1118AD Venice, Milan and Genoa is mine (yes, I broke the rule . couldn´t help it, sorry Katank). Ooops Pope dies in a battle and new one appointed so the Italians are not x-commed any more. Took Tuscany, got a warning but pulled it off. The next year the Pope wants an alliance which I accept.
1126AD GA-goal "HRE" pops up so now I have to figure out how to take Naples held by my ally the Pope, hmm

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I remember when i was England and fighting France. The Danes invaded Mercia, i wasn't too worried, their force was about 140 men, i had around 700 mainly celtic force of Gallowglass, kerns and highland clansmen.
The battle starts, and i see almost straight away 7 units of royal knights(the king who had 5 stars and his 6 sons) charge the center of my army and utterly rout me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif
But there was a rebellion the next year and a english force beat and killed the whole Danish family and they became rebels.
Hurrah http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif

[katank]

Quote[/b] ]7 units of royal knights(the king who had 5 stars and his 6 sons)


Quote[/b] ]killed the whole Danish family

Me too, what a coincidence. the magnificent seven of danish royals don't last for you either? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

must be our lucky numbers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif


Quote[/b] ]yes, I broke the rule . couldn´t help it, sorry Katank

no need to be sorry at all. I don't think I was following the rules too closely either.

you said no sacking of rebel provinces beyond the steppes.

however, I took full advantage of the rule with the rebels on your land border thing.

The French invaded Lorraine in 1103 and got schooled.

their king even got captured by a mtd. x-bow http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

they didn't ransom him and the peep that came to the throne was a worthless SOB.

so much so that Ile De France, Flanders, and Champagne all rose in rebellion.

I acquired these for the empire with my sizeable garrison troops and the aid of my english allies.

my crown prince is now also a 4* from a 2* due to this and some other victories.

So I sacked Poland and the three French provinces since they went rebel and were not in the steppes.

however, they are not at all GAs so I see no real justification other than nice juicy, rich provinces.

BTW, do we have to wait until the Italians to get excommed before sacking provinces, just get them to attack my weakend borders, or a plain offensive strike allowed?

[PseRamesses]

Quote[/b] (katank @ April 23 2004,21:57)]However, I took full advantage of the rule with the rebels on your land border thing. The French invaded Lorraine in 1103 and got schooled. Their king even got captured by a mtd. x-bow http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif They didn't ransom him and the peep that came to the throne was a worthless SOB. So much so that Ile De France, Flanders, and Champagne all rose in rebellion.

BTW, do we have to wait until the Italians to get excommed before sacking provinces, just get them to attack my weakend borders, or a plain offensive strike allowed?

Quote[/b] ] However, I took full advantage of the rule with the rebels on your land border thing. The French invaded Lorraine in 1103 and got schooled. Their king even got captured by a mtd. x-bow http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif They didn't ransom him and the peep that came to the throne was a worthless SOB. So much so that Ile De France, Flanders, and Champagne all rose in rebellion.

Lucky you The reb I had seen with the French didn´t manage to take the prrovinces neighbouring mine otherwise I would have taken it... like you


Quote[/b] ] BTW, do we have to wait until the Italians to get excommed before sacking provinces, just get them to attack my weakend borders, or a plain offensive strike allowed?

Some of the Italian provs are GA-goals so either wait until they get x-commed or to 1126AD when the Goal comes, then it would be reason enough to take it. Remember, no offensive war unless GA-goals.

[katank]

yeah, flanders was a particularly nice one.

BTW, in Ile De France, there wer about 4 rebel RKs, 2 of which are slightly undermanned.

They actually were far stronger than the French proper.

I had a hell of a time killing them.

thanks for the clarification on the Italian situation.

I was considering drawing them out by weakening Tyrolia but that would only get me excommed.

BTW, the first crusade to Antioch is already well under way, packed with spears, slavs, and an army's worth of mercs. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

lol, land crusades.

I want seaborne variety to make sure I get the province which is why I want Med navy and hence need those Italian provinces.

BTW, which provinces are in the HRE goal again, me haven't played for a while. Everything in the penisula except for papal states?

[PseRamesses]

Quote[/b] (katank @ April 24 2004,06:50)]BTW, which provinces are in the HRE goal again, me haven't played for a while. Everything in the penisula except for papal states?
If I remember correctly I think it´s Venice, Milan, Rome and Naples? That´s why I broke the rules by taking Genoa. Didn´t realize it until it was too late.

[katank]

GAH not Genoa? Uh Oh, I did da same thing, Tuscany too.

Did get a ransom though, but not so great.

Still plotting on Rome. Naples I took from the Sicilians.

I blitzed the Italians as soon as 1126 rolled around and I had an excuse to do so.

such overwhelming force that they all retreated without battles from Milan, Venice, and Genoa.

Next turn, hit Tuscany and then stormed with unabated force.

Managed to dodge excomm.

very proud of myself.

BTW, also took Antioch and Tripoli from the infidels. Will not be so long now until we hit the Holy land. Edessa will also become a mighty crusader fortress then and Syria shall produce our covert ops yay.

concerned with Byz though, they are leading us in GAs by 1 point

Can we sack Const. around the end of Early with a Crusade? The real crusaders did so.

It's like a GA that should be put in, yeah. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

BTW, I'm not at all bloodthirsty, right....

[PseRamesses]

Ok, we can sack Const but NOT keep it... you bloodthisrty sob ;)

[katank]

Hey, I'm not bloodthirsty.

BTW, English also had a nice little civil war and Wessex is ours

Hah Our two chief rivals no longer have their capitals.

Currently it's 1150 and we have secured the three Eggy GA provinces.

However, it's tough using land crusades and trying to hang on to those provinces.

There has also been a bit of shuffling about in Syria, with the Eggy owning it.

This makes defense tougher. BTW, I'm actually considering passing on the Edessa GA and letting the Turks live as it is the only province they have (or not) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

GAH the polish reemerged in volhynia with 5 stacks of high tech troops and may want Poland and Silesia back.

BTW, they also have Prussia which they took from the rebels who took it from me and I couldn't take back easily due to huge rebel forces from idiotic byz attacks on rebels which made them far bigger and my need to fend off the Huns.

Darn huns really annoying me. They launch attacks on my eastern border at Austria or Poland every two or three years.

This means huge garrisons there.

Good thing I got competent commanders. BTW, Henry the Lion showed up as a Swabian Swordsmen

Fun, Fun, 66 GA points? couldn't secure Rome or Naples. Rome because nonaggression against pope, and Naples since byz got it back from the sicilians and have huge force there in addition to being an invaluable ally in the east.

they own all of Asia Minor and hence I'm scared of them.

miraculous that I haven't been excommed once yet as the HRE.

[katank]

just finished in 1205 with 100 GA points.

yay only ones not satisfied was the HRE GA.

Rome held by Pope, byz valuable ally and very strong in Naples.

Managed to complete Drach Nacht Osten at the last minute pounding on 7 rebel stacks http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif caused by byz being stupid.

sorry PseRamses, broke a rule in taking rhodes which was rebel.

needed to make sure it was denied to byz as they were a close second at the time.

they ended on 90

screenies coming soon

[PseRamesses]

Quote[/b] (katank @ April 25 2004,13:50)]just finished in 1205 with 100 GA points.
Good show Katank Now that wasn´t so hard was it or....? It´s easy, at any level, to blitz/ conquer, and take advantage of the AI, right? But really, where lies the challenge with that? This is pretty much how I play every game of mine.

Between work, modding FotN, taking care of my two daughters and playing golf I´ve not that much time to play as you seem to have my friend. I think I left my game around 1130-ish in friday night and haven´t got time to play at all since. I´ll keep you posted though through this thread. Now I know what to do to beat 100 ;)

[katank]

well, in the last 20 or 30 years of the campaign, I had such an advantage in numbers, I didn't fight out most of the battles.

I did fight out Livonia though. It was fun seeing my first wave of pure silver armoured swabian swordsmen mow down all the slav warriors and various other rabble before them.

turned out I didn't even need my reinforcements http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

If you can get Rome, Naples by 1150 then you can beat the 100 GA easily by at least 6 points I believe.

Rome is impossibel with our rules if the Pope holds it while Naples is actually doable if not for exceptionally strong byz this time round.

For once, I was cowed by their presence and didn't even sack Const. or Naples

that would have given me 1 more and reduce theirs by 9

that would be 20 points lead over any faction though it's quite risky.

turned out I couldn't get enough crusade markers together nor enough troops to deter 5 factions from hitting me besides warring against another super power.

good luck http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[PseRamesses]

Couldn´t sleep last night so I went on with the "duel". Picked it up 1118AD, thought I had come further, anyway I played until this morning and I´m now at 1179AD.

This is turning out to be one of my most successful campaigns as the HRE ever. You know I´m not a dominate player so this turtle style is really fun with HRE if you don´t get blitzed right away.

This is my record so far: (R=rebels)
1094 AD Pomerania, ®
1095 AD Prussia, ®
1119 AD Genoa, Milan, Venice (I, x-com)
1120 AD Tuscany (I)
1121 AD Papal States ®
1123 AD Rome sacked ®
1127 AD Naples (S)
1131 AD Sicily ®
1137 AD Denmark ®
1139 AD Sweden ®
1140 AD Norway ®
1149 AD Palestine (E)
1152 AD Tripoli (B)
1159 AD Antioch (B)
1163 AD Edessa (B)
1165 AD Syria ®

I actually missed out on taking Champagne, Flanders and Provence since I could´nt free up my eastern front where both Polish and Hungarian incursions was keeping me busy. Boy, I shure got some nice defensive maps in both Bohemia, Austria and Venice. As you I´ve taken two provs that we where not supposed to take and I´m planning to take Constantinopel over the 1200-count ;)
Got really lucky with the Italian campaign since they erased the Pope and Pap.Sta and Rome turned rebel and that Sicily rebelled after I totaly devastated the Sicilians in Naples killing more than 2.300 enemies and their king + numerous heirs, he he Then when I looked north Denmark had gone reb so I took it and found Swe was too, and Norway. I guess hardeknud must have died heirless.
I´m currently on 85 points so if nothing drastic happens I will clear well over 100 points since the DNO-goal is left and both 1200 and 1204 GA-count remains. Don´t remember if any other GA-goals will come into count before 1205 AD.

BTW, no need to post a pic since I think it´s not needed. My aim with this was really to make you try something different and since you enjoyed it so much maybee there´s hope for you turning into a real RP-player ;)

If you like a new challenge I´ve some ideas that you might like, he he

[katank]

lol yeah. It was actually quite fun.

the land border rebel stuff was really constricting to me.

thus no Ireland and Gallows for me nor huscarles since the Danish lost almost their entire army due to a civl war but still have their king, 2 princes, and a thrall in Denmark, thwarting my Huscarle ambitions.

Also, though I capitalized on civil wars of the French, Polish, and English, the Italians failed to kill the Pope so I couldn't hit Rome for the 2 GA points counted twice

With the situation you describe, over 100 points is pretty much a given. well done in advance.

BTW, I was thinking of doing PBM for a while and joined up in a few games but too bad my save games were messed up.

anyhow, what new challenge do you propose? rematch possibly? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[meravelha]

*loud applause*
Take a bow gentlemen, an excellent duel

[katank]

screenies from the campaign

Poland went rebel, yay
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/poland.jpg

france goes rebel (forgot to take screenie right away, thus flanders and champagne already taken
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/french.jpg

GA a year before the end
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/near%20end.jpg

GA end screen
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/end.jpg

stats on my current king
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/king.jpg

at war with many factions at the end
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/dip%20status.jpg

outpost in Livonia
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/liv%20outpost.jpg

development in Eastern Empire
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/eastern%20empire.jpg

Development in the west where citadels and fortresses dot the landscape
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/story/west%20development.jpg

[PseRamesses]

Quote[/b] (katank @ April 26 2004,18:42)]anyhow, what new challenge do you propose? rematch possibly? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif
Do I remember it correctly if you´ve never played muslims or was that someone else? Anyway, I was thinking about a little Eggy game with the following restrictions;

The Egyptians, early, expert, GA:
1. You may only conquer GA provinces when they appear in time no others, no rebels - none
2. You may "raid" catholics and orthodox factions. Pillage the province then leave it and elevate taxes so that the province rebels against you. In some cases you must build a port to get out of there. Keep count on pillaged provs on a crap-note.
3. You are a muslim devoutee and may NOT attack other muslim nations unless attacked first. Makes it a bit tricky with GA-goals Syria and Edessa, right?
4. If the Pope calls upon the christian nations to crusade against you then you must teach him the way of Allah and sack Rome, burn it to the ground. ;)
5. You must also concentrate on teaching the infidels the right way by sending your alim´s to convert them so that they may enter paradise. Just keep a scrap-note and count all provs that you have converted 100% not counting your own ofcourse.

This is a ultimate turtle-game with many borders to defend against two of the most agressive facs in the game. How´s that for a duel Sir Katank?

[katank]

hmmm, any restrictions on trade or jihads?

BTW, I played muslim factions before and very frequently.

Almos and Eggy were my first games. Turks are also a favorite faction of my including a blitz guide to them I placed in the guides section.

I was thinking that Turtling Turks might be harder.

anyhow. When does the Edessa and Syria GAs come about?

BTW, it's not so bad to provoke the Turks to attack me.

I can leave like 1 peasant or even half dead ballista crew in the province to tempt them to attack.

as for conversion, Imams are ok, right?

also, trade only to the straits? no bribery etc?

I think we should only conquer Rome with regular army one time, raze, then abandon it. Next time a crusade comes, we should be able to hit Rome with jihads for a real religious duel thing.

raiding means what exactly? I can freely raid any of these factions? BTW, how many GA points do the raiding and conversions give?

[PseRamesses]

Quote[/b] (katank @ April 27 2004,18:12)]1. When does the Edessa and Syria GAs come about?
2. As for conversion, Imams are ok, right?
3. Also, trade only to the straits? no bribery etc?
4. I think we should only conquer Rome with regular army one time, raze, then abandon it. Next time a crusade comes, we should be able to hit Rome with jihads for a real religious duel thing.
5. Raiding means what exactly? I can freely raid any of these factions? BTW, how many GA points do the raiding and conversions give?
1. I don´t remember exactly but mid 1100´s is a guess.
2. That was my intention.
3. Trade to the straits. No bribery.
4. Good idea.
5. You can freely raid catholics and orthodox facs but not keep them. I don´t know about the points but I belive you don´t get any points for it. That´s why I thought about keeping a separate record of converted and raided provs. We can set the count to one point for each converted and raided?

The Egyptians, early, expert, GA:
1. You may only conquer GA provinces when they appear in time no others, no rebels - none
2. You may "raid" catholics and orthodox factions. Pillage the province then leave it and elevate taxes so that the province rebels against you. In some cases you must build a port to get out of there. Keep count on pillaged provs on a crap-note.
3. You are a muslim devoutee and may NOT attack other muslim nations unless attacked first. Makes it a bit tricky with GA-goals Syria and Edessa, right?
4. If the Pope calls upon the christian nations to crusade against you then you must teach him the way of Allah and sack Rome, burn it to the ground thus making it a Jihad province.
5. You must also concentrate on teaching the infidels the right way by sending your alim´s to convert them so that they may enter paradise. Just keep a scrap-note and count all provs that you have converted 100% not counting your own ofcourse.

[katank]

Can we loosen it so we can grab Edessa and Syria when the opportunity arises?

mid 1100's is kinda late to develop syria for assasins and/or nizaris.

on that topic, the valour bonus in syria for nizaris requires grand mosque while we also have a grand mosque GA in Egypt.

can we thus mod the game to allow for nonunique grand mosques?

[PseRamesses]

Quote[/b] (katank @ April 29 2004,17:07)]1. Can we loosen it so we can grab Edessa and Syria when the opportunity arises?
2. Can we thus mod the game to allow for nonunique grand mosques?
1. Ok
2. Ok. How do I do that then?

[Satyr]

You guys should really play a High Turkish game. No use of agents at all except 3 emmissaries. Your other rules all sound fine. Between the Eggies, Byz and Mongols it would be quite interesting. And then everyone will be crusading you to make it even more exciting. If that isn't hard enough, ban jihads.

[PseRamesses]

Quote[/b] (Satyr @ April 30 2004,16:33)]You guys should really play a High Turkish game. No use of agents at all except 3 emmissaries. Your other rules all sound fine. Between the Eggies, Byz and Mongols it would be quite interesting. And then everyone will be crusading you to make it even more exciting. If that isn't hard enough, ban jihads.
Hmm, one should seriously suspect that you are planning our untimely demise Satyr? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-behead.gif

[katank]

I would say that it's a more interesting game.

Early Eggy turtle is rather easy, particularly when I managed to get the Turks to attack and then responded with a grab of Edessa and Syria.

now I can just assemble an army of a few thousand led by a good gen and pillage my way through all the catholic and orthodox factions.

A 5-6k strong army should enable me to make quite a little tour to be remembered in eastern europe at least for years. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

I think trying High Turks would be good as it's actually a challenge but we shouldn't ban jihads and we can have unlimited aggression vs. rebels.

[PseRamesses]

Quote[/b] (katank @ May 01 2004,09:14)]1. I would say that it's a more interesting game.

2. Early Eggy turtle is rather easy, particularly when I managed to get the Turks to attack and then responded with a grab of Edessa and Syria.

3. I think trying High Turks would be good as it's actually a challenge but we shouldn't ban jihads and we can have unlimited aggression vs. rebels.
1. I agree but since I have little experience with "high" games I´d feel like "Bambi on ice"

2. That´s why I didn´t want to allow taking Syria and Edessa until they appeared as a GA-goal even if the Turks attacks you.

3. (see 1 above) No I don´t agree with rebel agression since my idea with this game was to RP the Eggys to be a devoutee faction with the priorities on conversions to the muslim faith rather than conquest. Remember the muslim faith is really not an agressive one ;) And I really wanted the game to be a defesive one so I was actually thinking of restricting ships to one per seasquare so that you actually could experince a navy-crusade, invasion etc.

What do you think Katank? I´m sorry for the lack of experience with high games but I´ll give it a try if you insist ;)

[katank]

Well, I don't have much experience with high games either.

I've played every faction at least once in early but only played about 3 or 4 in high.

I actually almost lost one as high turks when I wasn't rushing and the mongols popped up.

The next time, I grabbed Const. right away and migrated my Turkish empire west to avoid the mongols.

I wonder what turtling and only taking out rebels would be like instead of just displacing the Hungarians and the Poles.

I did that in a TD game and GA games certainly doesn't forgive nation moves.

[PseRamesses]

Katank, what do you prefer; early Eggy with above rules or late Turks?