Ironman

[MalibuMan]

Does anyone remember on Alpha Centauri you could choose 'Ironman' mode, where you could only save at the end of each gaming session? So everything you do matters hugely, you only get one chance at anything.

I've started self-imposing it on MTW. I only have one save game e.g. 'The Danes Ironman', and force myself to just click through the turns for a whole gaming session.

It makes it so much more exciting. The battles mean so much more to me when I know I only get one chance to fight them right Makes you think about taking risks too.

[ziphnor]

The game is too unstable for that in my opinion, and the auto-saves arent frequent enough.

However i rarely reload, im slowly starting to learn that sometimes battles are just lost :)

[Ragss]

I reloaded a few in the beginning of my turk campaign, but once I got the hang of them I never did it again, and only lost 2 big battles...come to think of it the one big battle I lost against the spaniards (1500 kills 2000 deaths approx) was followed in the same turn by me raping the re-emerging pope (thats why my force in north africa was so crappy). Then after I spent about 3 hours fighting those two battles, and losing the spanish one quite happily, the save got corrupt After ripping out some hair I was happy to find an autosave the turn before the papist battle, which also meant I was prepared for the spaniards, which also meant they never invaded because I kept a worthy force there that time. But all that doesnt count :P

EDIT:

now how about some on topic discussion?....I got nothing...its 3 am...

[MalibuMan]

Oh yeah, I hadn't thought about corrupted saves - perhaps I should keep a copy of that save...

[Lord Godfrey]

Very different subjects;

Saving in case of crashes = smart computing
Reloading saved game when you lose a battle = cheesy playing (cheating)

I hate it when people complain that the game isn’t challenging enough but at the same time reload when they lose a battle or make a poor strategic move.

[Shamus]

Dito. I save periodically, but only so I have a save point in the case of a game crash (which has happened a few times). I can’t remember ever using a save to restart a battle I had lost. The way I see it, as my enemy has lost to my armies many times, I can stand to loose to them from time to time. It kind of takes away from the realism of the game if you never loose a battle. Even the greatest empires of the past had their own less than stellar battles.

[Satyr]

I never reload after losing battles or making stupid moves. However, last night I actually reloaded. I was playing a Medmod, High, Danish game and it was down to just me and the Italians. I owned the Atlantic and they owned the Med. I finally started the huge war (14 battles in one turn) and take Constantinople. Next year my king dies and the new one shows up there. Over half of my provinces rebel. I reload and demolish half of the upgrades in Constantinople before ending the year again. That is one of the stupidest parts of this game. How the hell did he get there? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

[[DnC]]

Citaat[/b] (ziphnor @ April 29 2004,05:01)]The game is too unstable for that in my opinion, and the auto-saves arent frequent enough.
Yes indeed.

I quick save after every turn, before hitting the "end turn" button and before escaping and saving over my "normal" savefile and the backup of it just incase MTW crashes.

And I also rarely ever reload a savegame to a previous turn. So it's all about discipline not to reload, although sometimes having the urge to retry the battle, I don't. Reloading would just ruin the exciting future battles.

[mfberg]

I save at the end of gameplay, and quicksave fun battles. (turks vs byzant vs poles vs rebels @ 1400 each army was the most fun so far)

mfberg

[MalibuMan]

/reveal ignorance

what's the quicksave button?

/obscure ignorance

[[DnC]]

Ctrl + S = quicksave http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[mercian billman]

Quote[/b] ([DnC] @ April 29 2004,14:13)]Ctrl + S = quicksave http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
When I chronicle my games I hit ctrl + s at the end of every turn. MTW does have a bad habit of crashing to the desktop so saving periodically is a good idea. It's very frustrating to have a CTD after you've chronicled 10 or more years in a row, especially if you were at war http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif If the time was peaceful I just reload and pretend a fire burned down part of the royal archives http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[gaijinalways]

Replays are part of the game, hardly a cheat.

Whether people wish to use them or not is up to them. This kind of discussion has already been circulated in other threads about the use of the pause button.

MTW is a game, how you decide to play it whether with cheats or mods (things I'm not interested in)or using limited saves and the pause button is up to each individual player.

[Cazbol]

Quote[/b] (Lord Godfrey @ April 29 2004,09:01)]Very different subjects;

Saving in case of crashes = smart computing
Reloading saved game when you lose a battle = cheesy playing (cheating)

I hate it when people complain that the game isn’t challenging enough but at the same time reload when they lose a battle or make a poor strategic move.
My thoughts exactly.


Quote[/b] ]Replays are part of the game, hardly a cheat.

Whether people wish to use them or not is up to them. This kind of discussion has already been circulated in other threads about the use of the pause button.

MTW is a game, how you decide to play it whether with cheats or mods (things I'm not interested in)or using limited saves and the pause button is up to each individual player.

Yes, of course it's up to each player to do whatever he pleases. It's also up to each person to individually define what is a cheesy cheat or not.

[MalibuMan]

I quite agree - for example it doesn't make me feel like I'm cheating to use the pause button. Although I have considered not using it...

[Daveybaby]

I prefer to play in Ironyman mode.

If you dont win or lose a battle in an ironic way (e.g. you have routed all of the enemy from the field, except for one lone catapault, which then kills your king with a lucky shot as you attack, and you have no heirs) then you have to reload.

Okay, it was a crap joke... sorry.

[Brutal DLX]

Nowadays, I often only use quicksave for the entire campaign, rarely doing a few archive saves at interesting dates and situations. Perhaps if I just got the game and started playing, I'd save far more often.
The game is not that hard that it would require constant reloading, usually, if you lose, you lose at the start, and then it's just as easily possible to start a new campaign instead of reloading.
Late game losses are a succession thing, mostly, and I can understand if one reloaded to not lose a nice game due to untimely deaths of kings.

[Tricky Lady]

Even though I have a cheat history when playing MTW (I have used the "deadringer" cheat a lot, but I stopped using it), I don't reload. I lose a battle? Too bad. I'll (hopefully) reclaim my lands later on.

However... I have reloaded the game once. It was early game, and I started to build a navy when the Sicilians launched a multiple attack on my fresh navy. I won all the sea battles. Later that turn I had to fight a land battle with the Egyptians, and when I hit the "end turn" button, I got a CTD. Grr. So I reloaded the game, replayed the turns I'd lost, and resaved the game. Then, in the same year as the "crashed" game, the Sicilians attacked, but this time I lost my entire navy. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif I decided that I couldn't accept this, and reloaded. With the same effect: Sicily won, I lost all my ships. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif Then I was like: oh well, that's life.

I've never reloaded any savegame after this event.

[Apocalyp$e]

man i save every year But that is in part to the crash to desktop problem i have every so often. After losing 50 years once, i will never let that happen again

[Tricky Lady]

Quote[/b] (Apocalyp$e @ May 02 2004,14:34)]man i save every year But that is in part to the crash to desktop problem i have every so often. After losing 50 years once, i will never let that happen again
Yeah, I do so too. But saving your games in order to recuperate them after a CTD is something completely different than reloading to refight lost battles (which is cheating).

[Maychargewithoutorders]

Quote[/b] ]Saving in case of crashes = smart computing
Reloading saved game when you lose a battle = cheesy playing

I agree tho if thats the way people enjoy the game they are welcome to do this, after all its their money.....