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shingenmitch2
04-30-2004, 13:49
Here's how i see the new units on scale 1-5 with the two main criteria -- historical accuracy and aesthetics of the artwork itself:

Carthaginian Sacred Band 4

British Warlord 3 or 4

Eastern (Persian) infantry 5

Eastern Heavy spearman 4

Silver shield pikeman 5

Naked fanatics 5

German night raiders 3 (accuracy)

British Druids 1 (accuracy, cape rendered poorly, a sickle?)

Merc Samnites 4 (would have like to seen attic helmet)

Iberian Bullsh*t warrior 2 (would have been 0 for that damn helmet and description alone, but the sword, shield and body clothing/'armor are very well done)

German Spear Warband 5 (yeah)

Roman Legionary 4 (artwork is not as nice as other Roman units)

Triarii 5 http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

Hastati 5 ('nother good one)

Velites 5 (yeah, much rejoicing)



Conclusion: I guess I must say that, on balance, most of the units we've seen have been very well done. So props to CA http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
The only caveat would be that the bad ones really seem to drop off the charts.

Myrddraal
04-30-2004, 14:17
Quote[/b] (shingenmitch2 @ April 30 2004,14:49)]Iberian Bullsh*t warrior 2 (would have been 0 for that damn helmet and description alone, but the sword, shield and body clothing/'armor are very well done)
I wouldn't worry about that shingenmitch2. Whatever format the 3d units are in, if uve got an editor, removing the offending horns shouldn't be too hard http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-devil.gif

Aymar de Bois Mauri
04-30-2004, 22:43
Quote[/b] (shingenmitch2 @ April 30 2004,07:49)]Conclusion: I guess I must say that, on balance, most of the units we've seen have been very well done. So props to CA http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
The only caveat would be that the bad ones really seem to drop off the charts.
My rating would be:

British Warlord : 3 (Bad: beard, cape, helm)

Eastern (Persian) Infantry : 5

Eastern Heavy Spearman : 4 (Bad: accuracy -had Eastern armies pikemen?)

Silver Shield Pikeman : 4 (Bad: name, shield too big)

Naked Fanatics : 3 (Bad: name, beard, lack of bracelets and tatos)

German Night Raiders : 4 (Bad: name)

British Druids : 1 (Bad: accuracy, beard, cape, sickle)

Merc Samnites : 4 (Bad: left greeve, helm)

Iberian Bull Warrior : 1 (Bad: accuracy, name, sword -should be falcata or gladius, beard -shouldn't have any, helm)

German Spear Warband : 5

Roman Legionary : 5

Triarii : 5

Hastati : 5

Velites : 5

And they still say i'm being unfair... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-rolleyes.gif

son of spam
04-30-2004, 22:50
British Druid-3 (cool sickle, should be able to cast spells tho)

German Night Raiders- 4 (informative name, and cool special ability, but uses a boring weapon)

Naked Fanatics- 2 ( http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif name? They sound too er...)

Iberian Bull warrior- 4 (cool helmet, but they should have more abilites instead of a boring sword, like maybe the power to summon mummies, or use their helmets to headbutt people.)

Eastern Infantry- 2 (purple looks kind of fruity...)

What the next units should be:

German necromancer- can summon spirits from the Black Forest MUWHAHAHAH TOTAL PAWNAGE

War eles- they're just...cool

Boring Senate Guy- Talks a lot, makes the enemy soldiers die of boredom, loud voice, so it's a deadly ranged unit.

Aymar de Bois Mauri
04-30-2004, 23:02
Quote[/b] (son of spam @ April 30 2004,16:50)]British Druid-3 (cool sickle, should be able to cast spells tho)

German Night Raiders- 4 (informative name, and cool special ability, but uses a boring weapon)

Naked Fanatics- 2 ( http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif name? They sound too er...)

Iberian Bull warrior- 4 (cool helmet, but they should have more abilites instead of a boring sword, like maybe the power to summon mummies, or use their helmets to headbutt people.)

Eastern Infantry- 2 (purple looks kind of fruity...)

What the next units should be:

German necromancer- can summon spirits from the Black Forest MUWHAHAHAH TOTAL PAWNAGE

War eles- they're just...cool

Boring Senate Guy- Talks a lot, makes the enemy soldiers die of boredom, loud voice, so it's a deadly ranged unit.
And they still say I'm unrealistic http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

RisingSun
04-30-2004, 23:04
That's... A joke... Right?

I pretty much agree with Lord Aymar.

The Blind King of Bohemia
04-30-2004, 23:13
As long as i can drive a chisel through my war elephants head i'm easy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

Leet Eriksson
04-30-2004, 23:51
Next unit should be Jedi General...these guys can fight on till you go http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-anxious.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

RisingSun
05-01-2004, 00:45
They din't need their own unit- they come prepackaged in every unit you buy. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif And it looks like we still have them, too... *sigh*

Kraxis
05-01-2004, 17:43
Heh, lets all give our oppinions here, that would be a good way to actually see how distant or close we are in our views of the units. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

British Warlord 3 (the beard and lack of javelins does subtract from the feeling of a good celt)

Eastern (Persian) infantry 5 (He fits quite well the view I have of him)

Eastern Heavy spearman 4 (He should just have had a large wicker shield)

Silver shield pikeman 5 (He is almost perfect, [b]even[b\] his name)

Naked fanatics 5 (the shield, the sword, the hair)

German night raiders 4 (Almost perfectly taken from the good accounts of them)

British Druids 2 (Well, he is going to be interesting to play with)

Merc Samnites 4 (would also have liked to seen attic helmet)

Iberian Bull warrior 3 (Good invented unit, plausible with more or less the correct equipment, but a damned helmet)

German Spear Warband 5 (has a bad name, but what should they then be named?)

Roman Legionary 4 (a little bland, has to agree with mitch)

Triarii 5 (looks great)

Hastati 5 (my fav)

Velites 5 (yada yada yada)

oblivious maximus
05-02-2004, 10:03
Pharaonic units get the big goose egg.."0"

Oleander Ardens
05-02-2004, 15:25
I agree mostly with Kraxis;

But Mercenary Samnite: 5

(the helm was used by them and not everybody could afford greaves) for more info see www.sanniti.it

shingenmitch2
05-03-2004, 15:12
Oleand,
I'm not really arguing about the helm. I know that they would wear it, especially after incorporation into Rome's allies. I'm just saying that when I think of a "classic" Samnite I prefer to see an attic helmet with 4-5 feathers sticking strait up in a transverse crest. It would have made the unit look a little more distinct.

Also a big fat metal "Samnite" belt would have been a cool addition to the artwork.

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yes, yes magic spells for the druid... ROFLMAO. I'm still shocked in STW we didn't have "minature singing twins" to summon Mothra... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif


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Oblivious,
What's ur problem... u got something against Yule Brenner? hehe

Kraxis
05-04-2004, 14:38
I'm with mitch here. Since every guy in a unit will be the same, the feeling will be very important. And a Samnite that looks more like a Roman doesn't feel that Samnite-like, even if it is correct enough. At the same time that is also the reason why it only loses one point.

4 means it is very well made, but there is room for a couple of improvements. And I think he could need a few (though the greave is not important to me).

Oleander Ardens
05-04-2004, 17:36
Point taken http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

What would you say about an Samnite Warrior armed with two Saunia and a mace/small axe?

There is good evidence supporting this warrior and it is a rather distinct "itallic" unit...

oblivious maximus
05-04-2004, 22:58
ok,ok i`ll behave this time.

British Warlord 2

Eastern(Persian)infantry 4(the purple people eaters are ok)

Eastern Heavy spearman 4

Silver shield pikeman 5

Naked fanatics 4

German night raiders 2

British Druids 1

Merc Samnites 4

Iberian Bull warrior 2

German Spear Warband 4

Roman Legionary 5 (its a legionare)

Triarii 5

Hastati 5

Velites 5

,and if we had proper elephants..... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

Nowake
05-05-2004, 09:19
Quote[/b] (shingenmitch2 @ May 03 2004,17:12)]Oleand,
I'm not really arguing about the helm. I know that they would wear it, especially after incorporation into Rome's allies. I'm just saying that when I think of a "classic" Samnite I prefer to see an attic helmet with 4-5 feathers sticking strait up in a transverse crest. It would have made the unit look a little more distinct.

Also a big fat metal "Samnite" belt would have been a cool addition to the artwork.

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yes, yes magic spells for the druid... ROFLMAO. I'm still shocked in STW we didn't have "minature singing twins" to summon Mothra... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif


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Oblivious,
What's ur problem... u got something against Yule Brenner? hehe
off-topic ..

Just stumbled upon your Takeda site some days ago, mitch. Was looking for something about the kashindan and google lead me to your site. Great work you guys made there. Shogy converted us as fanatics, even if not naked http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif

shingenmitch2
05-05-2004, 14:54
Nowake,
Thanks. It's due for a serious update once my classes end and I get time for myself again.

Google got u there? no kidding, that's too funny.

Nowake
05-06-2004, 08:54
Indeed. Btw, on the main page there was something like a GO table. Good game, played it in my childhood, but I had to focus more on chess. Do you also play GO?

shingenmitch2
05-06-2004, 14:45
Yep, that's exactly what that is. GO's a great game, but I haven't played it in a long time. Apparently, Elmo also plays the game.