Generous donations

[Oaty]

Just curious about how many of you have actually made genourous donations in hopes the A.I will have some success. I,ve done this in just about every game a crusade passes through my territories. When I do this the comp never does camp in on of my provinces plus if the crusade loses you risk your neighbor going into civil war wich almost always way to easy to mop up or the other risk a huge empire is allowed to expand quickly towards yours and your border is just not looking to good anymore. I sometimes even have the fortune of having an agent at there tagret location and surrounding provinces and can make the proper donation of troops to ensure its success.

[solypsist]

donations? is this in a mod? i've never been given the option. hmmmm....

[katank]

just drop your troops onto the other faction's crusade and they should join it.

I don't go as far as oaty but do give them my out of date troops.

[solypsist]

wow. never even knew i could do that, usually because when a crusade passes it takes some of my men anyway. hmmm...might give it a try and see what happens.

[son of spam]

I only do it if I need to shore up a buffer faction.

[gaelic cowboy]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I always fill the crusade with peasants so it will fail http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Apocalyp$e]

This game is the strangest i have ever played. Stange in the fact that I learn something new every day pretty much... I had no idea you could do that....

[katank]

@ gaelic cowboy, AI does stuff through autocalc and peasants do surprisingly well in that. even better is slav warriors.

take huge number of slavs led by a high command general and autocalc would often grant undeserved victories.

[Oaty]

Quote[/b] (katank @ May 02 2004,10:52)]@ gaelic cowboy, AI does stuff through autocalc and peasants do surprisingly well in that. even better is slav warriors.

take huge number of slavs led by a high command general and autocalc would often grant undeserved victories.
But what good are those Slav warriors in autoresolve, they look so cool on the battlefield I train them ayways and hey escorted by 20 royal knights behind enmy lines eww don't route you have 300 slav warriors mopping up. Really before playing modded games I would have 300 Slav warriors escorted by Royal Knights waiting patiently on a flank for all the enemies units to engage and get ready to prepare head soup for my starving peasants.

[Cazbol]

Can non-catholics donate troops to crusades as well?

[Court Jester]

interesting .... must try this. But:

what happens to your men if the crusade succeeds? (assume you don't have a sea-route home.) Do you then have to either fight it out with the crusade's owner, or "surrender"?

also, if the crusade fails, do you lose influence?

[katank]

@ court jester.

with all troops in crusade. once it succeeds, all the troops belong to faction the crusade belongs to and all previous allegiances are void.

excellent to be spanish and send a crusade over land to const. or lithuania and sponging up all the AI catholic's troops.

[Oaty]

Quote[/b] (Cazbol @ May 03 2004,04:38)]Can non-catholics donate troops to crusades as well?
I'm almost sure that you have to be catholic but orthodox might be able to do this, but for the muslims even if you could that would not make sense. Muslims joining a crusade
What I do know even if you are war with a faction you still can make that generous donation

[meravelha]

Quote[/b] ]
also, if the crusade fails, do you lose influence?


You sure do...
Check all your taxes and all your generals should that ever happen.
I've seen the HRE completely fall to pieces after I beat him to his crusade objective :)

[nick_maxell]

Quote[/b] (meravelha @ May 03 2004,19:41)]
Quote[/b] ]
also, if the crusade fails, do you lose influence?


You sure do...
Check all your taxes and all your generals should that ever happen.
I've seen the HRE completely fall to pieces after I beat him to his crusade objective :)
I think he meant if you loose when donating to somebody elses crusade - and no, as as soon as your troops join they belong to the crusading faction and don t count towards you (as you get no influence for winning the goal either) easily seen if a goal is captured and the crusade is still in home territory - all the troops soaked up belong to the crusading faction now - best way to sabotage a crusade (other than killing it by destroying chapterhouse etc) is to give them some high command general with that nasty "not so bold" or "coward" V&V http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif - I haven t checked yet if you can donate offspring you want to get rid of instead of sending him to a glorious death

- which brings me to a question of my own: can a crusade/jihad suck up princes (or even kings) ? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif - never happened to me but I always try to keep them out of the way.


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nick

[katank]

well, I've never seen a prince or king of mine get sucked up although some from the BG unit do get sucked in.

However, it's quite possible to get them to join a crusade and I know for a matter of fact that kings in crusades are immortal in the sense of not being capable of dying of natural causes.

thus, it's quite possible to get a crusade stuck somewhere and constantly melting away with your king inside who has some great v&v's famred through centuries http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

@meravelha, how did you beat hime to his crusade objective? This is different for the AI. when you take it before the AI, their crusade is not disbanded. Instead, they continue until they land at that province and tell you to peacefully hand it over or have to fight the crusade and instant excomm.

I absolutely hate this element of the cheating AI http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

[Maychargewithoutorders]

I mostly donate some battered up troops to crusades, just to them out of my hair. I can never be bothered to retrain them or combining them with another unit in some far off distant land.

Here have one archer, two spearmen and four peasants and be grateful dammit

[nick_maxell]

katank,

do you play MTW,VI or a modded version of either? - in MTW 1.1 the crusade dissolves when the target province is taken (including castle) by catholics.

BG get sucked up, was just worried about good heirs/king - for the kings in crusades - do the nasty loyalty/happiness penalties when is king isolated apply too?

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nick

PS
I only had to hand the province over if the crusade arrived the same turn I conquered - maybe you mean that - they are not part of the siege but already there.

[katank]

I play VI.

i meant a crusade that rots and never takes objective.

you can use inquisitors and bishops/cardinals to help keep it alive.

this way, you can have a magnificent every thing king that is immortal.

I was playing HRE when I tried this so I frankly didn't notice the loyalty drop if present.

It's not nearly as bad as getting him isolated on an island with no naval link otherwise, I would have noticed it.

nope, AI crusades always ask me to hand over even if I took it 10 years ago. This occurs as long as they launched the crusade before I took the province.

[meravelha]

@katank

I took Algeria while the HRE crusade was in Castile sponging up my troops - his crusade just vanished and the HRE fell to pieces.

Maybe someone else (rebels?) took the chapter house...
Or perhaps that's just the way it works in v1.0 without VI.

[katank]

true.

HRE falls into civil war too often.

that maybe why the crusade was gone since rebels/pretenders got the chapterhouse province.

I remeber in 1.1 that I used to have this problem to. I don't think it is only VI.

[nick_maxell]

Quote[/b] (katank @ May 04 2004,19:08)]I play VI.

i meant a crusade that rots and never takes objective.

you can use inquisitors and bishops/cardinals to help keep it alive.

this way, you can have a magnificent every thing king that is immortal.

I was playing HRE when I tried this so I frankly didn't notice the loyalty drop if present.

It's not nearly as bad as getting him isolated on an island with no naval link otherwise, I would have noticed it.

nope, AI crusades always ask me to hand over even if I took it 10 years ago. This occurs as long as they launched the crusade before I took the province.
katank,

maybe VI thing then - but the "AI crusade cheat" does not happen in 1.1 - tested today and no handover if province was held - crusade just vanished or became regular army.


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nick

[katank]

really? I clearly remember a spanish game in which I had control of Iberia to the Steppes and an English crusade was sitting in my Muscovy, withering away due to inabilit to take on Voulga Bulg rebels (so sad).

Then they looted me

In order to try to make em disband, I sacked voulga bulg myself and much to my chagrin, next turn they arrived and demanded the province.

they were tiny so I ran them over with my massive army and conquered the isles too.

too bad I was excommed but it didn't really matter

[JAG]

I normally refrain form adding some of my men mainly because I don't really want to be killing them later, and the AI takes enough of them anyway when it moves through my bloody provinces :p

[VikingHorde]

I have never donated any troops to crusades, but I did not know I could do this.