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Jemasze Toda
05-18-2002, 22:37
It was on a cloudy german day not long ago when i sat in front of my screen just one more time, feeling the strong urge to lead large and powerful armies into vicious battles; An army full of battle-hardened men devoted to me, obeying every single one of my commands without questioning them ( Damn! Sometimes they better should question them!)

On that day i had already stilled my blood-lust by utterly destroying many more or less good opponents, some of my "new" tactics had worked extremely well, i was in an excellent mood and in high spirits ( "high" describes my state of mind exactly http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif )! Suddenly a man entered the forum, a man well-known and much feared in this community: AMPmortog entered the scene on that cloudy german day in spring 2002...
Now, that was the challenge i looked for after i had such a victorious day so far!
Getting a little nervous and tense i hastily opened a game on Ironing and was just typing my challenge when AMP on his own stepped into my game...
What now? Which tactic should i use against this Titan of Shoggy-online? I had fought many battles against AMP so far, statistically winning only two out of five or even six games, which means i lost three or four! Hehe only a very few players can claim to win against me that often on a somewhat regular basis...( Uuuuh i am soooooo arrogant again hehe). What tactic could be sufficient against AMP?
I decided to try the risky but immensly funny and inspiring "Naginata-surprise".
That tactic involves a sudden Naginata (Epaminondas-style) charge, which comes not frontal but from one side. The heavy, slow Naginata are backed up by Nodachi and the often underestimated Ninjas, a very strong assault on the enemy-line while my low-honour guns occupy my center and fire volley on volley into the enemy-center, getting also hit hardly, but who cares? My cav on the wing moves fast to flank on the same side as the Naginatas advance, trying to fall into the enemies rear. You know what? This little trap works fine often, i have beaten with that tactic many a good player and as it turned out, i also trapped the great AMP! Wow! AMP got disorganized and was in full rout only minutes after the game started! Excellent! i thought, i am unbeatable! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
AMP asked for a rematch and i granted it, feeling secure in the knowlegde that now i would create another surprise for him....
In the second battle i chose a much faster army with more Nodachi ( against enemy-speers) and no Naginata nor Ninjas. I planned to flank him again, this time on the other side and more carefully executed, which means to try to make the opponent believe that you are up for a gun-shootout, while suddenly you move quick!
But i fought not against some dull semi-newbie chiefthain, but against the great warrior AMP!
He realized what i was doing soon and responded to my little plan like a true champion: He retreated his flank in danger while advancing his troops on the other flank. This time i got heavily disorganized and right in that crucial moment when i tried to regroup my too wide-spread army, AMP attacked with full might! My poor men were sent home the hard way, some of them might still be running like hell, noone knows where to....
Damn! I lost that battle! Another one! Let me see how AMP can cope with my most beloved tactic: The 12+4! 12 Cav plus 4 H0 guns. I have annihilated and scattered many gun-speer armies with that! Its a very difficult tactic but it pays off well if you don't loose control of your horses:
the guns are just useful decoys in that scenario, good for a couple of volleys and for focusing the enemies attention on them while the cav moves...hehe
I quote Bruce Lee: "Be water, my friend, be water! Never let the enemy touch you, YOU touch the enemy..." That describes it well enough, its also the Mongol fighting style, in fact the art of warfare used by all the great horse-warriors of yore!
Man, i can tell you, THAT was a fantastic and close battle but AMP won in the end! How did he do that? Again he saw what i was doing and acted accordingly: He spread his spears wide in order to block any flanking attempt while vigourously attacking some of my cav with his own, sending his slower spears as reinforcements. Still, i almost won...almost...hehe. My Cav simply couldn't move as freely as in sooo many other battles, that was it.
Damn! I must smoke another pipe, i thought before trying to beat him again! That i did, we chatted a bit, he seemed to like my style and than i challenged him again:
I brought an army consisting of 8 ranged units ( Don't worry: I almost always use 4 max armies http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif ). This time i wanted to shoot him into pieces! But guess what AMP marched into battle: 8 guns + 7 Über-ashis + 1 YS-Taisho!! I managed to scatter his guns with fast Cavarchers so that i had a strong advantage with my ranged units, guns and archers, but by that i forced him to rush forward and that he did with great skill, owned only by a very few players!!
One game won and three lost! F...!!!!
Come on AMP, another one! Gladly, he said, I believe he had lots of fun too!
Lets try the Naginata again! But not the surprise-version! Move slowly with your guns in the front, Naginata behind them, some Nodachi sneeking around and strong cav in the back, i thought! That tactic had also worked very well against many opponents including some well-known ones... Its a trap once again, only this time the enemy shall be fooled into believing that the battle is going to get a frontal assault. Out of the suuden i move...hehe don't want to say more here but you may already guess it: AMP didn't fall for my little trick! He got into trouble when i managed to bring cav into his rear, but the Naginata broke before that cav-flanking had a decisive impact!
1:4!
What to do? AMP offered me another game and i accepted, already prepared in my mind for another loss. So i simpy chose a Naginata-wall to block any advance with cav to the flanks and guns firing into the enemy-charge from behind the Naginata-wall! Not very imaginative, i admit, but it worked. AMP had chosen a mainly Nodachi-rush and they broke fast before the heavy Naginatas...
Ok, I better stop now, i thought, especially because AMP gave me that last battle as a kind of present for my nice play. He didn't say so but i got that impression... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

AMP, you Giant! Its a pleasure for me to fight against such mighty warriors as you!

Elrich of Gaul
05-19-2002, 00:31
Well... now I know where AMP got that "steamroll" army of Nags. that he so elegantly rolled over me with the other day.. lol. Tricky fella that AMP. Should that the fact that he used your army Jemasze as a compliment.

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"I will follow you anywhere my brother, my captain, my King"

Elrich

Jemasze Toda
05-19-2002, 10:17
oohh and i almost forgot to tell you what AMP said to me in between our battles:
"You learned your gameplay from Magyar Khan, did you?"
That makes me proud! Magyar Khan was no more and no less than my teacher in Shogun-online-play, as he was and still is! of so many other players in our community!

I hope i am not too panegyric, but saying that i must! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

yours Jemasze

Fool and Assasin ( Alamut! Alamut! How i miss you and you, Hassan ibn Saba, wise old man from the mountain!)

Damn! The herbs make me soo euphoric....hehe

Jemasze Toda
05-19-2002, 10:31
LOL, Elrich i did not see it before!

"...
Beneath Amon Hen i heard his cry.
There many foes he
fought.
His cloven shield, his broken sword,
they to the water
brought.
His head so proud, his face so fair,
his limbs they laid to rest;
And Rauros, golden Rauros-falls,
bore him upon its breast.
..."

Hehe honour to whom honour deserves!!

BarryNoDachi
05-20-2002, 01:46
hey jem, i remember them naginata http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif thanks for the games the other day they were very enjoyable http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif - YogaFlame


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Clan Kenchikuka (http://www.totalwar.org/kenchikuka)

MagyarKhans Cham
05-20-2002, 18:30
thanx jemasze with referring our Great Khan in here http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

AMP is renown for his effective troops. Especially the hth infantry is highly effective. and if u beated him and he said nothing than u should know u did well http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/redface.gif)

furthermore i dont hope u count wins/losses with hosting your unknown names. u should know that some good players join just for warm ups or just seeing how enemies would respond (even on comp games). if good players would know it was u than they would certainly be much more alerted and would pick their army more closely, send kids and wife out of the room and swith the tv set of.

thats why u wouldnt not see any replay file on my replay page with me having an unknown name.

a silly thing i am doing lately is joining people on comp when they host their speciality koku (10-15k) ironing board. trying to beat their very well picked army with whatever crosses my mind. when i loses, coming back with an unknown name. fielding an almost similar army they have, beating them up and wait till the day they say they have an unbeaten record to me http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/redface.gif) its fun to tell them what name u got as well....

sadly they just dont take the advice to try different armies and maps themselves...

but as u know already, wise man, u cant get it all.......

HGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWLlllllllll Jemasze

shingenmitch2
05-20-2002, 20:50
Sounds like you had fun. Only comment:

Multiple undercover names are sh*t ... win, lose or draw you know who you played with me...

MagyarKhans Cham
05-20-2002, 22:02
it should be possible for a clanleader to move in his realm unnoticed.... :)

shingenmitch2
05-20-2002, 23:59
Bah... what leader worth his salt scurries around like a rat in the sewer or skulks like a common dog?

Nay! The proud king, like a lion, proclaims his authority by bellowing his fearsome roar and baring his fangs for all the world to see!

dagger
05-21-2002, 00:40
Read Henry the V.....

dagger
05-21-2002, 00:41
The kind that takes prudent security precautions and likes to know what his men are thinking about him when he is not around.

Quote Originally posted by shingenmitch2:
Bah... what leader worth his salt scurries around like a rat in the sewer or skulks like a common dog?

Nay! The proud king, like a lion, proclaims his authority by bellowing his fearsome roar and baring his fangs for all the world to see![/QUOTE]

shingenmitch2
05-21-2002, 01:28
*sigh*

You're right... after learning of Henry the V's victory at Agincourt and his marriage to a Frog princess, I'm reformed.

Now I understand the need to pop into internet games with alternate names... and be "under-cover cool." Wait 'til I pretend to be a newbie ... then OH BOY! won't you be suprised... what fun! And when all of you talk bad about SM2 on the chat, you'll never know I read it.

And as my control over my empire... er my clan... er my compaq presario grows, you will know that I am the cleverest king of all...

:P

Jemasze Toda
05-21-2002, 04:04
Dear Mag

i answer ( in a way) to your question in Krasts post about numerous names...

yours Jemasze