What to do with defeated rebels?

[Graphic]

I always wondered if what you choose to do with the rebels after defeating them effects anything. It doesn't seem to have any effect at all. But, if it didn't effect anything, why would they give you a choice?

[Doug-Thompson]

Killing rebels increases your general's dread rating, which many players find desirable. It can also give vices if you keep doing it.

[Bacchon]

Killing all the prisoners gives you Hard Justice Vices which increase your King's dread, but, if you keep doing it, will also lower kingdom-wide happiness. Releasing all the prisoners increases happiness or piety, but lowers dread. Killing just the leaders doesn't change anything.

[Bhruic]

Note, that in general, doing it just once won't get you any V&Vs. I usually have to do it 2-3 times to get the dread increase, and I rarely have my King survive long enough to get the happiness increase (released prisoners 4-5 times, and never got it).

Bh

[Doug-Thompson]

I think number of prisoners is the key variable here. The more prisoners you kill, the fewer times you have to do it.

Don't ask me, though. I don't kill prisoners, as a rule.

[motorhead]

Someone once posted that in order to get those +dread/+happy virtues (justice/mercy)for your ruler, the rebels in question must be your rebels. Neighboring rebel factions are treated like any other AI faction, the rebs must be of the homegrown variety.

[Ironside]

Citera[/b] (motorhead @ Maj 05 2004,14:46)]Someone once posted that in order to get those +dread/+happy virtues (justice/mercy)for your ruler, the rebels in question must be your rebels. Neighboring rebel factions are treated like any other AI faction, the rebs must be of the homegrown variety.
Your rebels gives V&V for your governors instead of your king.

Your king usually get the V&V after two kills/releases(? Not sure here, I always kill the rebels due to breeding)).

[Apocalyp$e]

It must be accorbing to the number killed, because I almost always get it after 1 execution, I kill ALL rebels always.

[Graphic]

I see, very interesting. Thanks for the speedy responses

[katank]

well, do a mix of both. I do it about 50 50 so you get dread to scare them into obedience as well as happiness booster.

I always have occasional mercy for my kings as well as magnificent everything. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

have troublesome provinces like scotland and portugal rebel constantly.

this will yield some very nice training for your troops when you aren't warring against other factions.

scotland, portugal, steppe territories as well as the mongols are all big troops trainers.

these are what gets my elite troops to V5-6 easily.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Kill right before battle ends.

[motorhead]

People seem to be mixing things up a bit here.

Killing any prisoners before the battle ends:
- 1000+ prisoners and your commander gains Butcher, +2 dread.
- less than 1000 prisoners: the 1st time - Scant Mercy (+1 Dread), 2nd time - No Mercy (+2 Dread, -1 Morale), 3rd time Merciless (+2D, -2M). You can also get Secret Blood Lover and Blood Lover, but i'm not sure under what conditions.

Option to kill/release after battling Rebels:
- I don't do rebel training (manipulating domestic rebellions to train up troops and generals for easy valor/command) and I rarely ever get domestic rebellions. However, in my recent Russian/High/Expert campaign, my first ruler subdued 5 or 6 of the nearby rebel provs, always released them and never gained a single of the Mercy virtues. In fact, in every campaign i play i always release every foreign rebel and I can't recall my ruler ever gaining a Mercy virtue. I was told that was because it only happens when you release your own domestic rebels. But other posts in this thread contradict this. Anyone know the actual answer?

[Oaty]

I have seen both vices on1 king I believe or the king got the mercy vice and his predeccssor got the other vice but I'm pretty sure it was the king that go both.

It was with the Byzantines and you know how Naples can get from the very beginning. Well I was a nice King and let everyone go back home to plan there next rebellion. After my king had gotten the mercy virtue and the rebellions wouldnt stop I felt it was time kill the bastards kill kill and now that I think bout it maybe it was him who got both vices but I know the general definately got the vice that says he kills for joy but I don't know if he got a mercy vice or not.

Anyways he was an 8 stargeneral by the end of the game without any farming on my part.

This did do me 1 big favour though I noticed the A.I does not like 3 sided battles and this had stopped the sicilians from invading me for over 20 years but guess what, the very year there was no rebellion (finally) the Sicilians invade but they were oing up against a 6 star general including the V/V hehe

[Ironside]

Citera[/b] ]- I don't do rebel training (manipulating domestic rebellions to train up troops and generals for easy valor/command) and I rarely ever get domestic rebellions. However, in my recent Russian/High/Expert campaign, my first ruler subdued 5 or 6 of the nearby rebel provs, always released them and never gained a single of the Mercy virtues. In fact, in every campaign i play i always release every foreign rebel and I can't recall my ruler ever gaining a Mercy virtue. I was told that was because it only happens when you release your own domestic rebels. But other posts in this thread contradict this. Anyone know the actual answer?


Hmm it's possible that you can only get your mercy V&V when it's your own rebels (but your governor get the killing ones), but capturing rebel provinces and killing the prisoners gives your king the dread improving virtue.

And getting both is possible, I used to run this earlier (v1.0 and/or (don't remember) v1.1) when you always only needed one try to get a V&V.

[katank]

@ oaty, I love naples too.

it's great for training that byz inf as general.

soon, I get a very capable infantry commander.

it's fun to unleash a 16 byz inf army upon the enemy, esp. if it's high valor and I get forest cover etc. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Voigtkampf]

My rebels? I kill them, or enslave them as a Muslim. Rebels controlling their own faction? Kill/enslave the main figures, release the others. The rule of the thumb, a firm principle I play by, and I don't care about any V&V attached to it.

[Impaler]

I care not for the V&V. My view of the matter is simple. If they under my authority and the are rebelling they are dead. End of story. Now if there is a rebel province then I just buy the place since usually I have money to burn.

[katank]

well, happiness is good to have so that you can extort the most cash from your underlings.

ummm, I mean ask for generous donations. *crack whip over poor peasants*