The British Empire

[Mount Suribachi]

Well, the abolition of slavery was pretty neat and all, but everyone knows that in order for a nation to be truly civilised, it must play Cricket http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Sjakihata]

I think, if used correctly, the industrial revolution could benefit everyone a LOT, alas it is not. Still voted for it though.

[Oaty]

Well is'nt English the # 1 spoken language so I'd have to say it has to be the fact that they colinized the world making 1 common spoken language.

[Dramicus]

I would say that the British Empire's greatest achievement was defeating the German Reich during world war two...

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Slaughtering the French in 3 Wars, at least
Erm... Did I say that? J/K
I voted Napoleon.
-Capo

[JAG]

We did not defeat Napoleon, he defeated himself. Anyway, the industrial revolution.

[Cazbol]

Industrial revolution for me. The achievement with the most lasting effect. The cod conflicts with Iceland are a close second.
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[ShadesWolf]

This is a very good question, i wanted to say Cricket, as I love the sport,

But then I had my sensible head on and went for The Industrial Revolution

[ShadesWolf]

Quote[/b] ]We did not defeat Napoleon, he defeated himself. Anyway

Is this the level of the current education system in Britain under 'Politically correct Bliar' http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif

We cannot be seen to have beaten the French, as there cannot be a winner anymore, as we are all equal in europe http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[JAG]

No wolf, it is the education of myself, you think we learn about Napoleonic times in school? I wish. And we didn't defeat Napoleon, he defeated himself.

[Rosacrux]

I wanted to vote Gah but I went for cricket instead - it's an achievement alright to manage to export the single most boring sport every seen the face of earth, to people who's sporting experience is actually non existend.

But in all seriousness, I would say the English language. Not an achievement per se, but it's the most influental thing for the past three centuries anyway, and this is because of the British Empire. And the whole western culture nowadays is expressed through the English language.

Can't neglect the industrial revolution, but if it wouldn't happen in Britain it would occur in the continent (with France being the best candidate).

BTW the Brits played a role in defeating Napo (just a role; why do Brits underplay the true slayers of Napo, the Russians? And what about the Austro-Hungarians and the Prussians? the latter won Waterloo anyway, not Welly http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif ) but actually I can't see how that is an achievement of even something "good". Napo on the other hand, was himself the most decisive factor in his defeat.

[King Edward]

Im Surprised we wern't Invaded by every civilised nation in known to man for teaching the world to play cricket how can you play a game for 5 days and it finish in a draw??? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Mount Suribachi]

Stupid channel islander http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I left off the English Language as I regard America as playing the dominant role in making it "the worlds language". Pre WW2, French was seen as the international language of choice. The 1st international symposium of Chemistry after the war, the Americans were the 1st speakers. They chose to speak in English, not French. The French delegates walked out in disgust http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif Hell, the IOC still uses French as its language http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

[ShadesWolf]

I did Jag when I was 14, the same time we did the american revolution, Russian Revolution and Louis the sun king. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Basileus]

/me loves football so me says that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Mouzafphaerre]

Quote[/b] (Mount Suribachi @ May 14 2004,22:05)]I left off the English Language as I regard America as playing the dominant role in making it "the worlds language". Pre WW2, French was seen as the international language of choice.
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Yup. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-yes.gif French was almost considered the 'native' tongue manywhere.

I remember a 1930s translation of a German harmony textbook, in which the author tells about Bach's "Das Wohltemperierte Klavier" and our dear translator (supposed to make it into Turkish) writes "Clavecin Bien Tampéré"

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That all said, Spoiler Alert! Highlight to read. what's Cricket?[/QUOTE]

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OK, just joking. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif
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[Maychargewithoutorders]

I'd say the naval dominance over such an extended period of time and upholding such a great tradition. Wasn't it Cunningham who said 'it takes 3 years to build a ship but it takes 300 to build a tradition'.

[JAG]

Quote[/b] (ShadesWolf @ May 14 2004,20:28)]I did Jag when I was 14, the same time we did the american revolution, Russian Revolution and Louis the sun king. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
None of them now done at school.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I donut see how you can vote for the industrially revolution in that even though it caught on more rapidly in Britain it was not exclusively a British idea. That in the beggining they took the lead though is a fact.

[Suppiluliumas]

Football, definately football.

[Somebody Else]

Greatest achievement?

Hmm...

Me.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Quote[/b] (JAG @ May 14 2004,05:39)]No wolf, it is the education of myself, you think we learn about Napoleonic times in school? I wish. And we didn't defeat Napoleon, he defeated himself.
No offence m8, but the Rifle, General Blutcher, and the Allied Navy beat napoleon, even though it was his fault he was defeated.
Napoleon was a frenchman, anyway, so who cares http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
-Capo

[JAG]

The rifle played NO PART in his downfall, I somehow don't see how any form of twisted logic to reach that conclusion.

There was no one called General Blutcher... But giving you the benefit of the doubt I guess you meant Blucher. He also had no part in the defeat of Napoleon. He genurally didn't do that much of the order making on the part of the Prussians anyway, so I don't see where you come to this conclusion.

The Allied Navy? ... I take it you mean British and couldn't bring yourself to say it. The British navy though strong and bigger and better than the French had no part in the defeat of Napoleon. Napoleons defeat was all done on land, and the British navy really did not influence this aspect of the period hugely.

There are other things you could have said which defeated Napoleon, but they all come back to him anyway. He defeated himself.

[Leet Eriksson]

Making our country a tourist spot http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

That and the Industrial Revolution.

Though the making english a common spoken language is kinda shakey,i still can't understand what some brits say to me... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif no offence intended to any brits.

[JAG]

Hell I can;t udnerstand what half of the Brits say to me either http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[meravelha]

Well I was going to say India...

But the abolition of slavery (while it was still _very_ profitable) was a notable achievement.

I'm not sure that we can count the industrial revolution as a willed act but we might count the political stability required for it as a product of British culture.

[Cebei]

Well cricket is neraly unknown in here, so I'd say football.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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OK, more ridiculous pondering for you:

Football is in fact an Italian GA. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif The Brits merely marketed it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
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[Suppiluliumas]

What is the earliest mention of calcio in Italian history? I know that football was banned for a time by an edict of Edward II of England because it took time away from yeomanry. In order to become that much of a problem, it must have been around for quite some time already.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Great It worked http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif *evil laugh*
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[Lord Xelous]

I voted other, as I believe our finest hour was 1940, where by the british people and empire gave it's best (once again) in the fields of Europe for the liberty of all.

Many can argue with me, but it's my personal opinion, please respect it.

LX

[Leet Eriksson]

Cricket is not boring,Baseball that bastard offspring of cricket is boring....jk http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Mount Suribachi]

Quote[/b] (Cebei @ May 16 2004,23:25)]Well cricket is neraly unknown in here
I know, and until it is, Turkey will not be a truely civilised country http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Mouzafphaerre]

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ROTFL MS, that was a good one http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Alas, a civil country can never become civilized. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
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[TheSilverKnight]

Quote[/b] (Mouzafphaerre @ May 17 2004,06:06)]civilized. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
you mean civilised? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif You can spell it both ways you know. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Mouzafphaerre]

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My shame I always prefer the limey spelling (that I was trained in) but your fingers slip when you pass more than half of your online time with yankees and rednecks. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
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[Lord Rom]

Quote[/b] ]There are other things you could have said which defeated Napoleon, but they all come back to him anyway. He defeated himself.

You could say the same thing about nearly every battle or sporting event for that matter. The winner gets and deserves the credit. The loser for whatever reason still was beaten.

[econ21]

I suspect the best achievement of the British Empire was in promoting certain values, although the Brits did not always live up to them. I liked Archbishop Desmond Tutu's comment about the whiteman coming to South Africa:


Quote[/b] ] He brought the bible and said: "Close your eyes and let us pray."

When we opened our eyes, the whiteman had the land and we had the bible.

[King Edward]

For us here in Gsy it would be saving the channel islands form the french 800 years ago this year

[squippy]

Decolonisation

[Nomad]

Quote[/b] (squippy @ May 18 2004,13:34)]Decolonisation
I was going to say, how it sacrificed itself, holding of the Nazi's long enough for the Russians to defeat them. But squippy's probably right . Although, it was the intent in the later Empire, to decolonise once the "savages"* had been civilised and beneficial trade terms had been negotiated.
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p.s "savages"* This is me being Ironic for those of you who do not use irony.

[PanzerJaeger]

Quote[/b] ]I would say that the British Empire's greatest achievement was defeating the German Reich during world war two...



hahah lmao http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Dont confuse being on the winning side as winning the war..

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] (faisal @ May 17 2004,00:56)]Cricket is not boring,Baseball that bastard offspring of cricket is boring....jk http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
BLASPHEMY


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[JAG]

Quote[/b] (Lord Rom @ May 18 2004,08:08)]
Quote[/b] ]There are other things you could have said which defeated Napoleon, but they all come back to him anyway. He defeated himself.

You could say the same thing about nearly every battle or sporting event for that matter. The winner gets and deserves the credit. The loser for whatever reason still was beaten.
Yes, but that would be true if we did actually defeat him.

[Crimson Castle]

Quote[/b] (Simon Appleton @ May 18 2004,23:29)]I suspect the best achievement of the British Empire was in promoting certain values, although the Brits did not always live up to them. I liked Archbishop Desmond Tutu's comment about the whiteman coming to South Africa:


Quote[/b] ] He brought the bible and said: "Close your eyes and let us pray."

When we opened our eyes, the whiteman had the land and we had the bible.
I second that. What the Victorian British brought was their idealized culture of decency, justice, fairplay, and a political system - a system with checks and balances - a system where one man does not hold sway. The Brits of course preached more than they practised it. They were very hypocritical at times and no doubt some people here will share Hitler's cynical love/hate view of the British Empire. He said that the British were geniuses because they masked their quest for power with the mantle of justice.

[Ellesthyan]

What is the greatest achievement of the British Empire...

They can't cook, thats one thing the Italians do SO much better.
Their wifes aren't that beautiful (far from it), another one I'd give to the Mediterenians.
Their language is unlogical and the spelling pure evil.
They're cowards; they leave the place for their save island if in only a little danger.
And fighting isn't really one of their best points. They're truly frightened to dirt their gloves.
They've fought the Dutch 5 times (and lost a lot too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-devilish.gif) That's enough reason alone to ignore them.
They play gay-sports.
They're obsessed with their own, boring, history.

Only one achievement is maybe their singing qualities. Okay, and some writings are quite good too, sometimes.







Just Kidding http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif
Im sorry if I've offended anyone, but seeing another *sheesh us British are f%%king good* thread was just a little too much for my poor brain. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-freak.gif

P.S. I really think the English history is a little hyped in tw, and in the English speaking part of this forum. After the island was captured by William the Conquerer not much happened with them, compared with so many other regions of the earth. Why not give them the same attention?

[Teutonic Knight]

Quote[/b] ]P.S. I really think the English history is a little hyped in tw, and in the English speaking part of this forum. After the island was captured by William the Conquerer not much happened with them, compared with so many other regions of the earth. Why not give them the same attention?

Hail Britannia Britannia rules the waves http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-toff.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ht_charge.gif

[squippy]

Quote[/b] (Ellesthyan @ May 19 2004,16:36)]P.S. I really think the English history is a little hyped in tw, and in the English speaking part of this forum. After the island was captured by William the Conquerer not much happened with them, compared with so many other regions of the earth. Why not give them the same attention?
Very true. Many, many English language texts treat the history of England as if it were the history ogf the entire middle ages. Real historians no better, of course, but you'd be forgiven for thinking that nothing much happened on the continent if you went by pop history.

[Mount Suribachi]

Ellesthyan you forgot to mention the time we asked a Dutch King, would he please come & be our monarch? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

As for medieval English history being over-hyped. Maybe. But English is the language of the world, and we were the most powerful nation on Earth for a good century or two, so we got to write lots of wonderful "aren't we great" history about ourselves. I believe the term for such self-congratulatory history is "Whiggish", after the Whigs, a political party. But we are, and were, great http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

Squippy you are correct that by and large we did a pretty good job of handing back the Empire. It wasn't perfect, but neither was anybody else in the post-colonial era. My favourite tale comes from post-war India, when the indepandence movement was really getting going. An Indian Navy ship was doing something "rebellious" in the eyes of the big-wigs and they ordered the RAF & RN to sink it. To their eternal credit, the soldiers & sailors refused to carry out the order, as they supported the Indian actions.

[Red Peasant]

Quote[/b] (Ellesthyan @ May 19 2004,21:36)]What is the greatest achievement of the British Empire...

They can't cook, thats one thing the Italians do SO much better.
Their wifes aren't that beautiful (far from it), another one I'd give to the Mediterenians.
Their language is unlogical and the spelling pure evil.
They're cowards; they leave the place for their save island if in only a little danger.
And fighting isn't really one of their best points. They're truly frightened to dirt their gloves.
They've fought the Dutch 5 times (and lost a lot too http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-devilish.gif) That's enough reason alone to ignore them.
They play gay-sports.
They're obsessed with their own, boring, history.

Only one achievement is maybe their singing qualities. Okay, and some writings are quite good too, sometimes.







Just Kidding http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif
Im sorry if I've offended anyone, but seeing another *sheesh us British are f%%king good* thread was just a little too much for my poor brain. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-freak.gif

P.S. I really think the English history is a little hyped in tw, and in the English speaking part of this forum. After the island was captured by William the Conquerer not much happened with them, compared with so many other regions of the earth. Why not give them the same attention?
Lol What does that make the Dutch then They are our closest European kin, with Frisian being the nearest related language to English. It makes more sense for an Englishman to ask a Dutchman to be king than to ask a Scotsman, or Welshman http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

And as for the Dutch Wars, well you did have your moments, but history will record that Merrie
Olde Englande ® came out on top....eventually.

It was a bit rich of the Dutch though, after ranks of English soldiers had slaked the thirsty Lowlands earth with their precious lifesblood fighting for Dutch independence, and among their number the great poet, Sir Philip Sidney.

[Mouzafphaerre]

Quote[/b] (Red Peasant @ May 22 2004,15:55)]Lol What does that make the Dutch then They are our closest European kin, with Frisian being the nearest related language to English. It makes more sense for an Englishman to ask a Dutchman to be king than to ask a Scotsman, or Welshman http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
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Lessee...

Guillaumme de Bâttard & Sons Co: Francified Vikings
Plantagenêts: Frenchmen
Tudors: Welshmen
Stuarts: Scottized Francified Vikings http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
Willem van Oranje: A Dutchman
Hannoverians: Need I say more? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Boy, you need some Tibetans etc. to complete the collection http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif

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[Crimson Castle]

Quote[/b] (Ellesthyan @ May 20 2004,10:36)]What is the greatest achievement of the British Empire...
Yeah but we're all communicating in the English language right? And not in French or Dutch or Chinese. And in fact it is the international language of the world. If you go to any nation, people there will generally know a few words of English - unless of course you're in France. :)

So the English must have been doing something right, yes?

[squippy]

If you go round the world shooting people a lot, they need to learn English so they can cry "uncle".

Do not confuse familiarity with respect.

[Crimson Castle]

Quote[/b] (squippy @ May 25 2004,23:58)]If you go round the world shooting people a lot, they need to learn English so they can cry "uncle".

Do not confuse familiarity with respect.
Really? Who shot at the Communist Chinese to make them want to learn English then?

I'm sure you also know who twisted the arms of the Russians and East Europeans to want to buy Levis jeans and to eat at Macdonalds.

No doubt the top ten selling films in your country are also done in a language other than English.

lol.
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[squippy]

Quote[/b] (Crimson Castle @ May 25 2004,11:51)]

Quote[/b] ] Really? Who shot at the Communist Chinese to make them want to learn English then?

Nah, during the Boxer Rebellion and the Opium wars. They needed to cry uncle 'cos of the ironclads shelling their citizens.


Quote[/b] ] I'm sure you also know who twisted the arms of the Russians and East Europeans to want to buy Levis jeans and to eat at Macdonalds.

LOOOL Thoase levis are probably manufactured in Eastern Europe or Asia or South America... a brand is just a brand.


Quote[/b] ] No doubt the top ten selling films in your country are also done in a language other than English.

Oh no. Mostly we watch the films made in one of our sundry colonies. But Bollywood is bigger than Hollywood IIRC.

[Ellesthyan]

Well, that are not exactly the reactions I expected, but that's all right. But to counter the exact wording of Suribachi, why are there about 3 anglofile threads active on page 1, while the Chinese have a none; they've got a lot more people speaking their language(s). Also, if we go further on the road, why are there no VS-related threads?

And a second point, I do NOT consider a thread like "who was the best british monarch" as interesting. I know about a few of their kings (yay for William III) but such a discussion is more spam and litter to me. I'd like to ask you all to lighten up a bit on that kind of threads, and keep it a bit more general... Im sure there are a lot of Anglo-saxon forums out there on the web, so you could just as well releave your needs on those places

Ellesthyan

P.S. No hard feelings to anyone, Im just easily annoyed and a little patriotic to boot... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-juggle.gif

[Mount Suribachi]

I'm not trying to be funny when I say this, but this is an English language forum, with the majority of patrons being American or British. As such its no surprise that there is a preponderance of "anglophile" threads.

Of course, you could always start a topic on a subject of your own choosing...... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif

[gaelic cowboy]

As an Irishman I would have to say the greatest achievement was Going Home http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[Degtyarev14.5]

The Spitfire http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

http://www.trumpetjazz.org/spitfire.jpg

The most beautiful aeroplane in history...

A.

[Crimson Castle]

http://www.aviartnutkins.com/

Yes, the Spitfire was a very beautiful - pretty plane. I also like the Hawker Typhoon - that big air intake and the four twin cannons - awesome beast.

[BDC]

Giving democracy to so much of the world maybe?

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[SwordsMaster]

Abolition of slavery?

That is a weird on I think. Did the brits abolish slavery in ALL the world? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
I didnt know that....

I think the best they did after exploting all the peoples they ruled was retreating without being hated... as for example the spanish.

[zelda12]

The British Empire was really big, first point. Second point is that the british empire contributed alot to world history in general. Third point is we also are responsible for alot of whats wrong with the world. We systematically went around the world gave them a sense of democracy nicked all the goods and buggered of leading in most cases to civil war.

Whoever said that we british/english don't like to fight should say that to some of our football fans after your country just beat ours. I guarantee you'll be drinking out of a straw for the next two months.

[Duke Malcolm]

Quote[/b] ]And fighting isn't really one of their best points. They're truly frightened to dirt their gloves.


The British Empire had one of the best armies in the world, and still does. The Black Watch (The Royal Highland Regiment), as far as I know, have never lost a battle. The whole hordes of pre-1746 Highlanders were some of the greatest warriors ever, and even the Highlanders now are great.

The Royal Navy was the greatest in the world during the days of George Rex Imperator VI, and has been since the English made it almost a millenium ago (that's something I like about England), although admittedly, it's greatness in the modern world is severely questionable.

[meravelha]

@SwordsMaster

They tried yes.
It was a major occupation of the Royal Navy after the wars with Napolean to patrol the high seas and suppress the slave trade.

It was also a good way of projecting British naval strength all around the world.

They didn't fully succeed of course, slavery still exists in the world even today. But they did try and they did make a big difference.

[lonewolf371]

Greatest acheivement? Industrial Revolution.

Greatest challenge? Nazi Germany.

[IrishMike]

Teaching the world to play cricket would defently be their biggest accomplishment.
I saw that game once played and I am still confused, and that was 2 years ago https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif

[Rosacrux]

Quote[/b] (ColdKnight @ July 21 2004,14:44)]Teaching the world to play cricket would defently be their biggest accomplishment.
I saw that game once played and I am still confused, and that was 2 years ago https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif
"Bored to death" would be an accurate description of my feelings after a similar experience https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-zzz.gif

What would be interesting, regarding the Brits, would be a thread devoted to their long rivalry with Ze Germans https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-anxious.gif

[The Sword of Cao Cao]

Quote[/b] (JAG @ May 13 2004,21:05)]We did not defeat Napoleon, he defeated himself. Anyway, the industrial revolution.
Yes England did. England defeated Napoleon by capturing him, imprisoning him on Elba, therefore driving the man mentally insane. England simply couldnt defeat Napoleon, so they severed ihs sanity. Much like the fact that they just couldnt actually fight for China, they had to pump it full of opium first. Yeah, anybody cna defeat a nation of stonahs.

[lonewolf371]

I never knew that Napoleon was actually mentally insane. He did return from his first exile successfully, raised an army, and once again began to use his brilliant tactic of splitting the enemy in two and defeating them one-by-one, only thing is Blucher and Wellington didn't act like the old Austrian generals he had faced a decade before.

[Balin son of Fundin]

Colonization... I have to say that being an Aussie and all https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif