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1 thing I noticed is that you can never take the pope for ransom your men always kill him instead. This is also true in a castle assault if the assaulting general gets captured hes immediately slain. The strange thing that happened to me is I had the English king trapped and routing. Well with no missle troops firing I get the message the English king is dead. Now what makes the factor when your me say screw the ransom and kill him anyways
it's interesting though.
Are you sure all melee units are all out of contact?
it's strange how even at a distance, the unit is considered in melee.
thus, while he may be routing, he may not have actually gotten away and thus was killed.
note: kill/capture depends upon some particular ratio or some or another.
solypsist
05-14-2004, 03:59
when you kill the Pope, are any of Papacy territories for him to go back to? Chances are, he's killed rather than ransomed onl;y because he no longer has a y faction-controlled lands.
well, pope is different.
his faction don't have heirs and he is succeeded unless killed in battle whereupon he's eliminated.
I think if he's captured, they also don't ransom him. At least in my games.
Tricky Lady
05-14-2004, 16:58
Well, a few days ago I managed to capture the Pope. But unfortunately I had invaded both Rome and the Papal States, so there was nowhere to ransom him back to. Silly me. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif
o_loompah_the_delayer
05-14-2004, 23:21
perhaps he was killed by his own routing men? I have played games where I start of with 40 turcoman HA, they ride around and event before they come under fire/ engage/ shoot themselves, they sometimes drop to 39, maybe a horse tripped? BUt it certainly is unusual, with all the hit points killing kings (except in seiges where it seems to be to the death) is quite a feat (unless of course you are prepared to waste forty or more of your own good men).
Quote[/b] (o_loompah @ May 14 2004,18:21)]perhaps he was killed by his own routing men? I have played games where I start of with 40 turcoman HA, they ride around and event before they come under fire/ engage/ shoot themselves, they sometimes drop to 39, maybe a horse tripped? BUt it certainly is unusual, with all the hit points killing kings (except in seiges where it seems to be to the death) is quite a feat (unless of course you are prepared to waste forty or more of your own good men).
Are you sur on this as usually when you mysteriously lose a missle troop unit it is because the smuck behind him nailed an arrow in the back of the guys head
RisingSun
05-15-2004, 02:52
Yeah, I once captured the Pope. The wretch thought he could get away with invading Tuscany. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Of course, imagine my surprise when I got a mere 2,000 florins for the Pope It was ok, since I was the Italians and didn't need the money. Nevertheless I was a little peeved.
Tricky Lady
05-15-2004, 10:02
Quote[/b] (o_loompah @ May 15 2004,00:21)]perhaps he was killed by his own routing men?
Nono, I'm sure I got the "You captured the enemy general" message (and after that the large square banner disappeared). But as I already mentioned, I couldn't ransom him back as I invaded his two only provinces at the same time, so his holyness was executed after the battle.
I'm not sure if they even ransom that sucker.
Also, the king couldn't be killed by his own unit as unless russians, there are no missile BGs and hence they couldn't kill the guy next to them.
Lord Armbandit
05-23-2004, 22:09
I do find it immensely annoying when you autocalc and don't get a say in whether you execute the suckers http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif
As the English, I trapped their King and so he was captured - being English I wanted him and his family dead (In the game - I'm not really some French-hating psychopath.... OK, maybe a little http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif)and then I get a message that we ransomed him back It annoyed me so I reloaded, but couldn't find a way around it. Any ideas anyone?
fight battle yourself and also have plenty of fast but strong cav on hand to capture him when he routs.
and hit that kill all prisoner button before the battle ends.
I personally don't go on vendettas about killing royals.
I find the cash to be more helpful than satisfaction of killing them.
son of spam
05-28-2004, 04:11
Quote[/b] (katank @ May 23 2004,22:11)]fight battle yourself and also have plenty of fast but strong cav on hand to capture him when he routs.
and hit that kill all prisoner button before the battle ends.
I personally don't go on vendettas about killing royals.
I find the cash to be more helpful than satisfaction of killing them.
DIE DIE DIE DIE EVIL ROYALS DIE
No, katank, you are wrong. The satisfaction is much better http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
satisfaction better?
it's interesting. I guess personal preference.
I find the cash helps me build more so I kill more in the long run.
I know how you like the "purist" approach and accuse me of trying to play "medieval: total economics" http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
LordKhaine
05-29-2004, 21:14
If there's a message here, it's don't be the pope. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
I have to say I don't ever recall capturing him either.
so true.
I think he's the only royal who don't seem to be ransomed, correct me if I'm wrong.
I never remembered ransoming him.
he does come back frequently though and is the most persistent faction ever.
also, he can excomm people. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Quote[/b] (katank @ May 27 2004,23:30)]satisfaction better?
it's interesting. I guess personal preference.
I find the cash helps me build more so I kill more in the long run.
I know how you like the "purist" approach and accuse me of trying to play "medieval: total economics" http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
I'm with you there unless its Varangian guard or Kats. I'll take the morale penalties not to face those buggers again in combat.
Everytime I catch 1 all the current prisoners have to the price of there buddies power
that's true.
I'll also not ransom back any killer units like that.
If the Byz emperor is involved, I would probably still ransom though.
it's best not to give them captured vices as a morale boosted byz army is just too much.
if you just get them to rout and give them good runner, that's far better.
Chimpyang
05-30-2004, 19:14
I may ransome some killer units back if I'm a little short, but definately not the King or high level Princes. Oh no..i try and cripple the line by killing the Princes in battle and then leaving a no star one to be the heir (the no * ones pop up every now and again for all factions i belive)
it depends.
far better to simply rout them off the field and get them good runner rather than killing them.
it's funny how when you have -6 or -9 morale total, then even the 9* commanding is worthless when his entire army decides to rout off the field
One time I'd always want to kill a captured monarch is if he's the last of the line - a buncha rebels is much more attractive than 8k in the bank http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif .
Which brings me to a question: is there any way to learn opponents family trees? I know that if you drop an assassin on a ruler you'll get a "his heir will take over" or "he's the last so it's anarchy city", but that's kinda daft. Any other way to find out? You'd think that these are things you should just "know" - if the Emperor Charles V had a new son (say), you could be darn sure that Suleiman would know about it in a month or so...
Cheers,
Ulair
well, I think you gotta look on the campaign map to see.
if near the beginning of an era, you should have familiarity with all factions and thus know for about how many years they wouldn't have an heir yet.
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