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dark ninja
06-07-2002, 10:21
ok im kinnda bored at the moment il propobly go play some pool of radience or somthing after i post this.anyways i think im bout rdy to enter the world of multiplayer im kinnda her to ask if its any good and uh how tho whole system works i heard from a review from happy puppy that the multiplayer isent a campign and its like the historical battle thing so is it?and GIMME MORE ADVICE ON FORMATION THATS MY WORST DEPARTMENT AT THE MOMENT!o yea will someone plz tell me what the hell a flank penalty does.
theforce
06-07-2002, 13:32
Hmmm multiplayer is like this. One hosts a game on a map and u enter it. You see the koku u can spend on selecting units and honour for your men. Game starts u deploy your men and u try to kill the other guy.
Well about formation. There are many factors and someone could say many things about it but stick with the close formation
Loose formation tends to make ur men harder to hit by arrows and bullets but it reduces their morale and fighting abilities thus making em flee easier.
Wedge u can use then flanking someone. This formation is best used by no-dashi or monks.
By no means do a wedge formation when u are under fire, u shall die soon.
A flank "penalty" comes in morale. When the enemy is engaged and u hit him in the flank(preferably with no-dashi, monks or shock troops in general) the enemy gets a big morale loss making their fighting worst and reducing their morale making em many times to run. Now the most effective is to send a unit at the back of the enemy line.
Needless to say u kill hypes wwhen flanking http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/biggrin.gif
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Two questions about the wedge formation:
1) Why should one primarilty use it when flanking. Doesn't the tutorial or manual say that it's best for breaking lines?
2) Is the wedge a valid (useful) formation in real life? I'm thinking it's a fabrication for computer games, since I've never heard of such a formation being used in actual battles. It doesn't seem like a good idea to let a single man ride point and have to fight his way into the enemy ranks before the next 2 men behind him can begin to engage, etc.
Cazbol
Well, wedge wasn't used for flanking (and should be). Like it is mansioned it should be used to "pierce" through enemy lines dividing it in two disoriented sides, which by the way Shogun doesnt really capture. Medival is said to have it fixed, but we will see.
Historically, Wedge was used a lot around Ceasar's time by every "offensive" unit type (his first incounter with Barbarians). However it can be missused and be crushed (Roman's first incounter with Hannibal).
By Medival time wedge was mostly used only by knights vs infantry and archers.
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I am the law and you can't beat the law.
By the way did this ever happened to you - you charge with your taisho against enemy (I think it was No-Dachi VS Yari Samurai) in wedge formatoin, to get some attack bonus, and right at the moment of engagement your taisho is misteriosly killed, sending all of your winning troops running like pocked pig.
Man, was that an ummmmmazing picture to see!
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I am the law and you can't beat the law.
[This message has been edited by Prodigy (edited 06-07-2002).]
your taisho always goes point if in wedge or in the middle of the front rank if not. One man turning in time may be able to kill the taisho before the rest of his unit can back him up.
What's so mysterious about the taisho's death? After all he's just one of the sprites in the unit. I don't know if the Taisho is the bearer of the banner, but it wouldn't surpise me if he was the one riding point in a wedge. That should get him killed pretty quickly.
Using archers and naginatas as taishos seems like a logical precaution.
Cazbol
I know all that. My question was did ever happened too YOU!
By 'mysterious' I meant that honour 2 and higher don't fall quikly, even if he is loosing (or running away). Only guns and ninjas can change that (maybe Kensai).
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I am the law and you can't beat the law.
[This message has been edited by Prodigy (edited 06-07-2002).]
Hehe. First you reply with a very helpful and informative post on wedges and then I proceed to insult your intelligence. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
I've never lost a taiso but then again I only got the game last week.
What is it exactly that high honour does for a unit?
Cazbol
Quote Originally posted by Cazbol:
...What is it exactly that high honour does for a unit?[/QUOTE]
Gives it grandiose illusions that their petty existence actually matters. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif
theforce
06-07-2002, 20:12
A head on attack with wedge formation is prone to fail. In a positive note your unit has a higher morale and killing power whiloe in this formation but this reduces their defencive bonus. Now an effective assult must have shock troops like no-dashi and monks. These units die quickly when under fire, wedge packs em more clearly making the loosses even bigger. Also wedge covers much less space than the close formation causing caps in your line. Wedge formations also die very quickly when they are flanked. I rearely use wedge formations. In only use on o cavalry and especially NC when l flank with it. In no time it ges in the wedge and causes major damage. Some might disagree by saying shock troops work better in 2 or 3 lines.
Anyway a head on attack with probably fail, use it to flank with cav or nd and monks.
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I cannot return l presume so l will keep my name among those who are dead by bows!
Higher honour gives higher moral, better defense (not armor), better attack. To consult the statistics press F1 key while the game is on.
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I am the law and you can't beat the law.
Fast Death
06-08-2002, 01:28
I agree with Vanya. The honor system is a joke, traditionally speaking.
I dont know whether it is a joke or not, but it certainly gives more realism and point to winnig battles (single campaign mostly).
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