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BalkanTourist
05-20-2004, 07:23
Hey guys
I am playing the Almohads (love those guys) and it is year 1200. I own the Iberian peninsula + Aquitane, Brettan, Normandy, Flanders, Anjui, Ile de France. To the East my empire holds Edessa, Syria and Lesser Armenia. I am currently at war with the Egyptians. France and England are both gone after waging wars through cruzades against me. I started noticing papal vessels not too long time ago, but looked at them as something exotic and not a real threat. Now that I am in Flanders I can see the Pope sitting pretty in Wessex. Who knows what else he poseses? I have never seen anything like that Most games I've played the French would own Western Europe by High and the Byz would do the same in the East. Last couple of games though I see different stuff - i.e. Hungarians owning half the map or the English beating the snot out of the French and HRE.
Mouzafphaerre
05-20-2004, 08:31
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Greetings Czar,
I have modded the game slightly to tune down AI aggression. The Pope is still, well, Pope, but all other factions are set to DEFENSIVE/STAGNANT/PEACEFUL so that they won't wander around that weirdly. It seems to be working to some degree.
I believe, the extreme low number of provinces included in the game has a part in this.
Hth
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Something must be in the air. In the past I found that the Pope normally didn’t move far from the Italian peninsula. Over the last 60-70 years though, two consecutive Popes first wiped out the Italians, then the Poles and then the Hungarians. In all three cases the Popes excommunicated the factions before moving in for the kill. The Papacy is now one province south of Denmark, as far east as Poland (and beside Constantinople), as far west as beside Switzerland, and as far south as Sicily.
motorhead
05-20-2004, 15:09
Each faction starts with a default set of behaviors (set in the early/high/late text files) but there always seems to be a little random factor thrown in so each game can have a surprising twist.
I had a similar conquering pope in one game. He controlled around 15 provs, mostly around the med, but outposts as far away as saxony and friesland. He didn't pick on catholics much, but he scooped up nearly any prov that went rebel since he had such a large navy.
really? I never had that issue with the Papacy.
I frequently stomp any little boats he has to flinders and sack Rome.
never had a problem with him, really.
this is interesting though and maybe I won't touch him for the next few games and see how he grows.
Turk/Expert/Early
Suicide The pope has the best way to make armies. Pope Urban had only 1 RK and the papal states. In 1161 he dies, leaving Papal states empty. New pope remerges in Rome in 1166 with the required 4 stack armies as well as two units in the empty (for all five years) papal states.
If he starts expanding now he should be able to take out the Byz, Sicily, and the Italians before coming to a halt.
mfberg
From my experience, the Pope never attacks anybody. However, if a faction attacks the Pope, he's going to fight them and start conquering their lands if he can. When a Catholic faction attacks Papist lands, they automatically get excommunicated which explains the Pope excommunicating the other factions before moving in for the kill.
What you saw was probably other factions all deciding to attack the Pope and having the misfortune of losing to him.
Mega Dux Bob
05-24-2004, 18:16
I've found that if the Pope conquers Napels he gets really agressive and will sooner or late wipes out the Italians (even if the Italians win, they lose when the Pope comes back with the Papal hord). As the French I have seen the Pope take down the HRE. Kinda of odd since the Papal army always seems to be trash when I fight them.
the key is not to have to fight an reemergence as stacks of knights templar, MAA, and order foot as well as some high tech muslim troops are not fun to fight early on.
I have never seen muslim troops in the pope's re-emerge stack, I'll have to watch for that.
alman9898
05-24-2004, 19:58
in one of my mods, the pope was sitting idly all alone in prussia (rome and the papal states had been conquered). I suppose that's what I get for enabling crusades for all catholics and setting as many factions as I could to expansionist. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
well, I've had the pope reemerge with desert archers, saracen inf, futuwwas, ghulam cav and even nizaris and AUMs
I was flabbergasted at the incredible selection of top notch muslim units he is able to field.
Even muslim factions don't get all of them at once
Apocalyp$e
05-26-2004, 04:36
That is weird, in all my game, the pope never moves out of rome & papal states..
I've rarely had migrant pope either although he frequently goes for Naples/Tusacany and rest of Italy.
He rarely succeeds unless he is wiped out and reemerges though.
I play Kekvit mod a lot and since the pope seems to die pretty easily I decided to give him a little more cash so he could build up.
That game ended with the pope conquering almost the entire map (We never attacked each other and since it was a GA game I was happy to lurk in Russia and Scandinavia).
yep, kekvit mod is quite good. The AI seems a bit smarter with building and the pope starts with a castle, so if he's not broke, he can usually build enough troops to overwhelm the Italians and once you unite that rich penisula, it's fairly smooth sailing.
bighairyman
05-29-2004, 03:40
yup, in one of my games, the pope's banners were in Russia, http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif , and i saw him fighting the horde http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
did he win?
it will be funny to see reemerging popes fighting the emerging horde.
epic AI combat http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
shakaka36
05-30-2004, 01:30
after being wiped out by the english, ive seen the pope reapear in Finland. (i was the russians at the time and quite a bit worried) i think it was a game glitch, but i thought i should mention it
bighairyman
05-30-2004, 04:01
Quote[/b] ]did he win?
it will be funny to see reemerging popes fighting the emerging horde.
epic AI combat
I think he lost the first battle, the one where the GHs appear, then the pope retreated to his second province there, the tiny one near the sea, there he keep sending soldiers from Greece, and italy, and the battles go back and forth. It was really funny. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif
lol, epic AI combat is right.
so we have the first Crimean war between the Papacy and the GH.
can you tell us who won in the end? or was it just a permanent stalemate?
Pope in my current game has wiped out the Italians and ejected the Sicilians from Italy. He controls everything south the Sicily and everything north into the middle of Germany. He has strong stacks that are growing and he has recently started putting a fleet into the Adriatic. Given all the upheaval the has gone on in my game, he is about 4th on the power list.
the main thing is that he's unlike other AI factions.
while the others can be wiped out and stay wiped out, he come back stronger than ever.
the only time I've seen the Pope do excessively well is when the Italians managed to kill him, or less frequently the Sicilians.
then he respawns with loads of crusader troops and/or high tech muslim units and the entire Italian penisula just gets steam rollered by him.
alman9898
05-31-2004, 18:20
Not if I have a troop presence there. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif
if it's the third or fourth time he reemerges, even a human can lose to him.
trust me, I've lost battles when I open up only to see a map with little to no tree cover and an opening wave of 15 knights templar and his own RK BG units with nothing but spears, archers, and militia.
I killed quite a few and beat him in terms of cost efficiency but lost the battle as that kind of raw power is just impossible to hold in early sometimes.
bighairyman
05-31-2004, 22:45
Quote[/b] (katank @ May 30 2004,07:46)]lol, epic AI combat is right.
so we have the first Crimean war between the Papacy and the GH.
can you tell us who won in the end? or was it just a permanent stalemate?
Quote[/b] ]lol, epic AI combat is right.
so we have the first Crimean war between the Papacy and the GH.
can you tell us who won in the end? or was it just a permanent stalemate?
It was a stalement at first, but then the Pope attacked my provinces in Italy, (i was Russian), so then it became a fatal three way. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cheers.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
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