Odd Egyptian Behaviour

[King Edward]

Let me set the Scene - the year is 1106 in the first 3/4 years my Turkish horde destroyed the Eggy empire and my forces sit happy in their lands. after several years of peace an building up of my provinces the Byzantines send a small force into Antioch, which is good as i can now get the Jihad of asia GA so next turn my jihad arrives and the Byzantines retreat but as they do 2500 Egyptians reemerge in the same province, Now they had a 5* general an there but their king had no stars so i defend the province. Nice position up on a hill. now the attack begins and my archers are taking a heavy toll on the advancing Egyptians and my Cav is harassing there flanks. then they stop. still in archer range an in tight formation. they just stand there and get shot. a lucky arrow from a turcomon horse finds its mark in their sultans heart, an then the decide to make a move, backwards full scale rout and my turcomons chase them down and after a few easy scraps with some reinforcement UM's they give up the ghost. I Killed 1007 Eggy,s Captured 999 and lost 126 Brave turks and i didnt commit a single unit of my infantry to the Battle.

I dont understand why they stopped and just got shot up anyone else seen such odd behavior form the AI? if they pressed on they would have overwhelmed me just by shear numbers, i only had around 500, 600 men mainly spears DA's and turcomon horse. not the most fearful army in the world

I had a 5* skilled attacker as my gen and now hes skilled defender as well, the beginings of a legendary hero i feel.

I may document his process throughout this campaign, watch this space

[Shahed]

Awesome. I don't know why that happens but I have witnessed it sometimes as well. Actually I hink I have a replay of the Turkish campaign I am playing right now in which the Horde just walked up to the Turkish position on top of Mount Dead_Kublai_Will_Lie_Here, and STOPPED. Turk crossbows let loose a volley and killed maybe 20 of them and then the glorious Horde turned tail and simply marched away ALL 5,000 of them I hope I saved that replay.

Anyway the Turks did join battle with the Horde in the year 1231 (or 32 was it ? ). In the hills of Georgia Mongol General Ogati met Turkish General Muntasir (LOL that's an Arab name). 712 Turkish warriors were killed in action. 2,018 of the Khan's warriors were killed, Ogatai and 3116 were captured and repatriated to the Great Khan for the princely sum of 34,032 Florins, only.

I was wondering why on earth am I playign yet another Turk campaign so I decided to record whatever I can. That way I'll be playing ENGLISH with all the fancy Longbows, Billmen and such In that game I'll completely change my tactics and make slow, heavy and static armies That will be a change from riding with the Turcoman.

Please do document his progress Always love reading about other's experiences with the game

You are talking about Zangi, Timurtash or the guy from Syria, can't remember his name ?

[Bhruic]

Yeah, I had a similar experience today. I had about 7 units of desert archers, 6 AUM, 2 Saharan and a Prince. The French were on the other side of a hill, and staying there. I started to climb, and they shot some arrows at me. I stopped my units and returned fire. They decided to relocate. I finished climbing the hill and saw they had set up a little ways away, on a small slope. I'm getting ready to march over, when I notice them sending a few units my way. Ok, nice, I can trade bowfire with their archers. Except their archers march into bow range, turn around and stand there. They are soon followed by Feudal Sergeants, Urban Militia and a unit of peasants. All lining up facing away from my army.

Finally I got bored and charged them, at which point they actually fought back, but had I more arrows, I probably could have won the whole fight without moving from that spot.

Bh

[King Edward]

It was the Chap from Syria Who was in charge. I will Play a few more years tonight and let you know the progress of this soon to be legendary warrior I'll even try and find out his name

I feel its time to make those Byzantine Infidels pay for the trouble they caused me in Antioch and i also fancy relocating my Harem ( http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif) to the city of Constantinople

[Shahed]

Cool Thanks looking forward to it. I just remembered by looking at my notes, the guy in Syria is Sabbah (if my notes are correct )

I am also writing down battle scores. Hopefully will be able to compile them into some sort of battle history, eventually.

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[King Edward]

Cool Cheers for looking that up Sinan http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

He has only been in a couple of small skirmishes with rebles and the orignal Eggy's before the Battle of Antioch, but im going to document his (and his Bloodlines as im sure he'll be one of those generals who dies of old aga) Battles hopfully till the end of the campagne. Im looking forward to putting him if the thick of things when the Mongles arrive

Ive never really done this before, so hopfully will add a bit of exta feeling to the game rather than just worrying about little computer men getting killed

[NewJeffCT]

This has happened to me twice in the 4 campaigns I have played as the Turks, but early on, I invade Antioch which has the Egyptian Sultan. I bring several horse archer units, a ghulam bodyguard with a prince and maybe a few other units.

I march my horse archers up to close to the Egyptian line of peasants & nubian spearmen and just let them loose arrows.

Both times, the Egyptians just stood there and took loses before turning tail and marching off the board. Not routing, mind you. They *marched* off the board at normal speed - not marching quickly or routing or anything.

Both times, the Egyptians lost 200+ (mostly peasants, mind you) and I lost nobody. The Egyptain Sultan doesn't get the "Good Runner" vice, either.

Another time against the Egyptians as a Catholic faction, they invaded a province of mine with good quality troops. I was outnumbered like 1,800 to 1,200, but I had a good general and was fairly confident in my skills on defense, even though they had quality and quantity.

The Egyptians just stood there in a line on the other side of the board. They formed the line, but never moved.

[King Edward]

I like to think that the Eggy soldiers were paralyzed in fear of my newly discovered hero and refused to attack him

you can imagine the officers screaming at the men to advance and they just look at each other nervously refusing to move, then news spreads that their sultan has been mortally wounded and the turn and flee leaving a few brave officers to face the newly unleashed turcomon horse...... the rest, as they say, is history

[katank]

that type of thing happens all too often.

I should be on first name basis with general also like you guys http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

missiles are a bit overpowered in most RTS games due to AI stupidity.

MTW is a lot better than most but there's still a problem.

BTW, by Turkish x-bow, did you mean some AP missiles like ottoman inf? last time I checked the turks don't get x-bows

[nick_maxell]

Quote[/b] (katank @ May 25 2004,12:42)]BTW, by Turkish x-bow, did you mean some AP missiles like ottoman inf? last time I checked the turks don't get x-bows
katank,

the turks get xbows in MTW - maybe not in VI - on the techtree they are grey so avaiable for all. I seemed to haved noticed that I only could build them when hitting high and I can t build arbs although they are grey too and I have the buildings - but maybe I will be able in late. Never checked with the other muslim factions but maybe they have a "time penalty" and can build them only later then the others.



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nick

[motorhead]

yep, turks get crossbows but not arbs - they're the only faction with that restriction. Post MTW 1.0 units are restricted to their era/faction/region, which means xbows/arbs are high/late periods only.

[katank]

oh, oops http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-blush.gif

I remembered they don't get arbs and thought they didn't get x-bows either and need ottoman inf, etc. for armor piercing missiles.

[Shahed]

Arbs are certainly the most deadly. VERY deadly.

The Turks can go more infantry heavy towards the High period and specially in the Late period, IMO.

If you have 4 Janitor Infantry and 4 Futuvees that's a lot of firepower and difference is a high rate of fire. While the enemy is approaching 8 hybrids can fire rapidly and reduce enemy numbers before the melee. They don't have the same lethality but they do very well because of high rate of fire.

[katank]

true, rate of fire is important and in horde defense etc, I always try to mix arbs and hybrids if I can for a combo of lethality and fire power.

funny to mod some units to have machine gun like rate of fire.

remember unpatched versions where longbows fired faster than regular archers?

that was kinda fun although the run out of ammo fast is a pain.

[R'as al Ghul]

Quote[/b] (katank @ May 26 2004,02:36)]oh, oops http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-blush.gif

I remembered they don't get arbs and thought they didn't get x-bows either and need ottoman inf, etc. for armor piercing missiles.
Hi Katank,

sorry to correct you on this, but afaik the Ottoman Infantry has no Armour piercing missiles but axes with AP ability in melee. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif

Cheers

[katank]

hmm, isn't there some turkish hybrid with armor piercing shots? or am I just imagining things?

[motorhead]

Quote[/b] (katank @ May 26 2004,17:29)]hmm, isn't there some turkish hybrid with armor piercing shots? or am I just imagining things?
maybe in a mod that added true compound bows to the projectilestats file, but in plain MTW and VI all archers use shortbows, so plain archers and ottoman infantry have the same missile characteristics.

[katank]

yeah, I was probably thinking of kekvitmod or something that has compound bows for many eastern archers.