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dark ninja
06-06-2002, 10:07
hi everyone im new i actualy bought this game when it first came out but i coughldent get it to work but recently i was really bored and decided i'de try to get it to work and i did!well now i need to know everyones opinion on best stradgies spill your great stradagic minds on my topic here i will appretiate it im gettin good but im still VERY bad at tactics im only able to survive through assasination spying economic smarts good unit combinations i use very little strategy in most of my battles so i need help i norm just pick my formation and rarely ever change it in the same battle i prefer to use wedge and center offensive i only change it if im trying to flank or im gettin sloughtered by arrows i also dont know much about terrain so i need help there too
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One advice:
Watch out for The NinjaKilla ...
http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif
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tootee the goldfish,
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Catiline
06-06-2002, 15:11
Check the strategy archive, loads of good stuff in there...
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Timeo hominem unius libri
Catiline
06-06-2002, 15:13
http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=A%3A000001&SUBMIT=Go
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dark ninja
06-06-2002, 15:59
i went there they got helpful stuff but none of the basics the manual aint very helpful i need the basics i dident understand most of what i read.gimme some basics whats a flanking penalty.how do i garrison a castle without having to create a new unit.how do i get shinobies to try to start revolts.whats the best unit combination.what do different weather conditions do to different units.how fast do different units get tired.get the idea?
dont try to use gus in rain they just dont work. Take some cav archers and use them to soften up the enemy before you advance. No- Dachi are great against heavy cav
Catiline
06-06-2002, 18:48
Since when have No-Dachi been good against heavy cav?
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"Give a thirsty man some sake, and his thirst will be quenched today. Teach him to brew it, and he shall never be thirsty again."
-- Vanya
Tactics are never as simple as drawing a football play on a blackboard. Battle is fluid. The best thing you can do is not sink into the mindset that there is a singular 'correct' strategy that will win the day. Ever. Instead, you must be able to put a plan into motion and adapt to the changing tide of battle. Otherwise, your defeats will know no end.
"The best defense is, by nature, reactionary. The best offense is inherently proactive. Whoever said that was an idiot!"
-- Vanya
This game takes brains to master. Its not like those silly RPG clickfest games where you just build and rush and click faster than your opponent. If your mental fortitude is lacking... well, at least you'd make better practice runs for us than chopping up watermelons on static poles!
With that having been said... learn first how to build a worthy formation for your whole army. Then, learn how to maneuver that army formation. And last, know the weaknesses of your formation so you can anticipate what a worthy opponent might attempt against you. Formation alone can win many battles; though today the player pool has been so drained that only the best of the best remain, so this old adage no longer really applies unless you're playing an average joe. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif This I can tell you from experience... http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif
GAH!
TakedaTakedaTakemata
06-07-2002, 05:56
Always control the space during a game, don’t let the enemy shape you, shape him use distractive effects to keep them of guard, by flanking or encircling, cavalry archers are good for this.
Best to try and have some sort of reserve in the hand to hand part of battle always try and protect your flanks.
dark ninja
06-07-2002, 09:51
dude no-daichi arent good against heavy calvery today i beat the game with useragi clan used only warrior monks and heavy calvery at one point i had 120 heavy calver vs 180 no-daichi i won only thing good against heavy calvery is warrior monks.o yea and vinya STOP QOUTING SUN ZTU.
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Far be it from me the newbie to enlighten you grand masters, but isn't yari cavalry vastly superior against heavy cavalry?
I'd also like to repeat Dark Ninja's question about how shinobis can be used to incite revolts. I can't find anything on it in the manual, other than the claim that they can do so.
Cazbol
To answere the question about the shinobi I will consult with my experience.
First of all, if you want to keep you enemy busy send few shinobies into his "rear" (unprotected provinces - no armies are present) usually using port in the province that is occupied by your ninja, geisha, emessionari, or other shinobi. Send of all, make sure there are no border forts in that province or it is not an potential enemy shinobi/ninja nest.
The rest is up to "mother nature". The more shinobies you send the high risk of rebelion would be (I usually go with 4 or 5). For each successfull rebelion shinobi gains 1 honor. Rebelion might even bring the eliminated clan back into the game.
PS. But this doesn't mean AI wont do anything about it, he may bring his army, defeat the rebelion, and keep the province.
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Krasturak
06-07-2002, 21:44
Quote Originally posted by Vanya:
Battle is fluid. The best thing you can do is not sink into the mindset that there is a singular 'correct' strategy that will win the day. Ever. Instead, you must be able to put a plan into motion and adapt to the changing tide of battle. Otherwise, your defeats will know no end.
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GAH![/QUOTE]
In this case, Vanya is exactly and completely correct.
In fact, this is what differentiates the STW game series from other so-called 'real-time strategy' games.
By the way, there's lots of good advice on tactics and other stuff here:
http://shogun-academy.tripod.com/
... and you can also check the other links from the main page, right hand side. Lots of good stuff.
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Fast Death
06-08-2002, 01:33
Your would think that DN would listen, instead of blasting V and others from quotes that will allow DN insight to valuable tactics.
Patience??
dark ninja
06-09-2002, 06:39
ok first off no h/c woughld sloughter yari calvery in a bout 2 mins h/c is the best calvery unit in the game im not including the daiymo yari calvery is a very early unit for some(takeada).o yea AND I'VE BEEN TO THE DAMN SHOGUN ACADEMY BELEIVE ME I'VE BEEN TO PRETTY MUCH EVERY SITE I CAN FIND MOST OF THE STUFF THERE IS TOOOOO BASIC.
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Catiline
06-09-2002, 13:48
Dark ninja, if you ask for advice then don't be surprised when people give it. If I recall correctly you complained that the material in the Strategy archive was too complex. you wanted more basic information. Accept it gracefully or shutup.
there are no best units, used correctly and in a balanced fashion they all have strengths and weaknesses. try taking an army of just monks online and see what happens.
Be careful about inciting rebellions, it can be a very good way of getting enemy generals up a few ranks, not good when you have to fight them yourself.
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mabye it's because i was using an old version but if u charge heavy cav with no-dachi of the same honour they will massacer it but only a large unit can do it.
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"A warriors death in battle should be bloody"
Its not entirely true that there is not a 'best unit'.
The BEST UNIT is one that is used effectively.
dark ninja
06-11-2002, 14:59
hey cataline qouting sun ztu aint giving help u goddamn imbecile i've heard that shit already goddamnit and if i haft to hear it again im gonna go shuv my foot up someones ass my first conclusion will be your ass ban this message if u want BUT STFU!
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Catiline
06-11-2002, 15:30
Nobody was quoting Sun Tzu...
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