Mongols!?

[Ard-Ri McCullaugh]

Okay, I'm the Russians in the High age using Medmod. Then the Mongols decide to arrive...

WITH 15,000+ MEN I have around 5,500 men stationed along my vast borders. I've tried to fight it out, but my men lack any morale, and I can never seem to get to the Khan and send them into anarchy...

Has anyone encounter similar scenarios?

[Drake]

No because theres a way round this. Don't have borders with the Horde, that means Khazar, Georgia, and possibly Edessa too. Missed any? Just let someone else have them like the Turks or Egyptians or preferably a strong Byzantine.

[Xiphias]

I've seen them appear in four provinces and spread as far east as poland before. Luckily I was playing the turkish that game and they never decided to spread south.

[Ard-Ri McCullaugh]

I'll usually not grab Khazar until I have an ample army at my disposal. But this is my first try as Russians in Medmod, and the Mongols totally ambushed me. I didn't have time to fortify(with a fortress or even castle) because the Outremers had taken it early.

[Lil' Timmy]

ok, here's my story http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif:

i was playing as the egyptians in early once..

things had been going well, i was crazy rich b/c of those nice trade goods in the holy land, and my enemies had been beaten back. earlier, i was back-stabbed by the turks first, then the almohads. so after crushing them i had lots of land i even had constantinople, and the turks had only greece left (the byz came along later and killed them off). things had been going so well (i had repulsed 2 crusades) that i actually forgot about the horde well, not exactly, but i forgot the exact time they would come.. and for some reason i thought they'd only show up in khazar.. so i had 6 full armies (which i thought would be enough for defense) stationed in georgia for a long time.

anyway when i was least expecting it, the horde shows up in ridiculous force.. i was like.. omg.. oh and they showed up in armenia too so now, a good half of my entire military was trapped in georgia i couldn't boat them out in time b/c the byzantines had the black sea full of many ships (we were at war). the byz had khazar when the horde came, and once the khan finished his siege there, he came on me. i had tried to get a ceasefire with him (we were at war b/c they appeared in armenia too). but he never even gave my emissary/imam an audience.

well, my 6 armies put up a valiant defense, killing more than i lost.. but lost i did, there were just too many of them i used up about 500,000 of my 600,000 florins in the next few years of war with the horde.. most of that was spent bribing the mongol armies, which where ridiculously expensive (they were very loyal to the khan), but i had to do something

i hired every merc i could and bribed about 4-5 armies before i ran out of cash for it. in spite of it all, i eventually lost the whole of asia minor to the horde (which i had worked so hard to take from the turks http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif). then, when it looked as if i might have stopped them there.. a rebellion broke out my sultan sucked b/c i stopped building (to finance the war) and i kept losing battles.. and all those mercs probably didn't help either.

i was just about to retire, but the horde had to divert their attention to the north (khazar) because the of the polish (the byz had been wiped out by the horde to the west). so i was able to put down the rebellion, reorganize and i took back some of asia minor but then the poles/mongols signed a ceasefire and the khan himself came down from khazar to wipe me out again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif. he personally beat my sultan's army out of anatolia (i was headed for constantinople), and was about to take lesser armenia back from me. but then, on the very next turn, the turks re-appear in constantinople, trebizond and nicea (all mongol provinces at the time) and they had to duke it out

i couldn't believe it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif. the khan was able to hold his own, but while he was doing that, i snuck up and took rum from him, cutting him off from the rest of his lands. then, with all my forces, i invaded anatolia and the khan had nowhere to go. about half of his world army was there with him, so it was pretty evenly matched. but to my surprise, i killed him in battle, most of his army routed/captured (i put them to the knife http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-evil.gif) and lo and behold, he had no heirs, and his faction collapsed revelry ensued

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it was by far the most enjoyable sequence i've ever played in MTW to date. anyway, thx if you bothered to read all that lol.

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[Ghostmonkey]

If you're looking for tips on defeating them, search for a thread a couple pages back called Golden Horde (or something along those lines), theres lots of good stuff in there.
That said, I haven't really experienced the horde yet because I postponed my Russian game, but once finals are over it's killing time

[Blodrast]

Ard-Ri, another thing: the size of the GH armies is proportional to the size of the armies that are being stationed in the invaded provinces (Khazar, Georgia, etc).
They will always have way more troops than you when they appear. A straightforward partial solution is to put very few troops in there, and hold the bulk of your armies one or two provinces away, and hope that you have enough to push them back into other faction's provinces.
And as other ppl suggested, there's plenty of tactics and ideas about the GH on this and other boards.

[Ghostmonkey]

Quote[/b] (Blodrast @ June 08 2004,16:30)]Ard-Ri, another thing: the size of the GH armies is proportional to the size of the armies that are being stationed in the invaded provinces (Khazar, Georgia, etc).
They will always have way more troops than you when they appear. A straightforward partial solution is to put very few troops in there, and hold the bulk of your armies one or two provinces away, and hope that you have enough to push them back into other faction's provinces.
And as other ppl suggested, there's plenty of tactics and ideas about the GH on this and other boards.
I'm you mention this, I was actually planning to raise an army maybe 10,000-15,000 men strong and stick them in Khazar. That would have been a disaster.

[Imperial Buffoon]

Quote[/b] (Ghostmonkey @ June 08 2004,20:09)]I'm you mention this, I was actually planning to raise an army maybe 10,000-15,000 men strong and stick them in Khazar. That would have been a disaster.
Yes, but a fun one If you have the right kind of troops, and the Horde invades in more than a single province, they are easily beatable in defense on a 2-1 or even 3-1 odds (even more if a bridge battle).
One reason for this is that even if they have loads of MHC the core of their troops are HA and Horde Warriors, which have poor defense and relatively low armour. The other reason is that their troops come in single denomination stacks, with loads of MHC in one, only naphtas in another,etc.. I once defended against them in Georgia and most of the troops were naphtas

[Ghostmonkey]

Quote[/b] (Imperial Buffoon @ June 09 2004,06:50)]
Quote[/b] (Ghostmonkey @ June 08 2004,20:09)]I'm you mention this, I was actually planning to raise an army maybe 10,000-15,000 men strong and stick them in Khazar. That would have been a disaster.
Yes, but a fun one If you have the right kind of troops, and the Horde invades in more than a single province, they are easily beatable in defense on a 2-1 or even 3-1 odds (even more if a bridge battle).
One reason for this is that even if they have loads of MHC the core of their troops are HA and Horde Warriors, which have poor defense and relatively low armour. The other reason is that their troops come in single denomination stacks, with loads of MHC in one, only naphtas in another,etc.. I once defended against them in Georgia and most of the troops were naphtas
Wouldn't the AI reorganize the army to make a more effective force instead of just going with all naptha?

[Imperial Buffoon]

Quote[/b] (Ghostmonkey @ June 09 2004,09:45)]Wouldn't the AI reorganize the army to make a more effective force instead of just going with all naptha?
I think not, the Horde's starting army will be balanced as a whole but when it appears in several provinces, the armies in each province tend to be pretty unbalanced. I've only ever seen it react to numbers rather than troop quality.

[Ghostmonkey]

Then I guess The Horde will be in for a little surprise when I play again. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Julius Caesar]

its hella fun though when the mongols invade cuz they come with many troops and its fun defending against them.

[Gregoshi]

Quote[/b] (Lil' Timmy @ June 08 2004,15:27)]i couldn't believe it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif. the khan was able to hold his own, but while he was doing that, i snuck up and took rum from him,...
You took rum http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/barrel.gif from the Khan and lived to tell about it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Timmy, that sounded like a fantastic game to play. I just love it when the game knocks you back hard. There is nothing worse than knowing you will win the game and you are just going through the motions to get there. I should be so lucky to be in a game like yours.

BTW, what was the eventual outcome of the campaign? Or is it still in progress?

[Lil' Timmy]

Quote[/b] (Gregoshi @ June 10 2004,00:03)]You took rum http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/barrel.gif from the Khan and lived to tell about it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Timmy, that sounded like a fantastic game to play. I just love it when the game knocks you back hard. There is nothing worse than knowing you will win the game and you are just going through the motions to get there. I should be so lucky to be in a game like yours.

BTW, what was the eventual outcome of the campaign? Or is it still in progress?
not only did i take his rum and live, i took it and killed him http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-evilgrin.gif

the game ended much more quietly. it was a GA game, and the italians basically took over all of europe, and b/c of the mongol war and having to re-fight my old enemies the turks. i was scared to fight the italians b/c they had about 3-5 ships in every sea region, whereas i had one and i had no land borders with them.. they scored a victory about twice as fast as anyone else could have i think i was 3rd.

but it was a really fun game http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[king steven]

when i've played the English, i've got 150,000 plus (if the seas/oceans r controlled) & kicked there http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-oops.gif

[Zortanius]

Defending against the Mongols is always fun.

In fact I always try and get Khazar, Georgia and one of either Edessa or Volga Bulgaria. This way I can be in the direct firsing line when they turn up ad I can personally defeat them. I find that they always seem to annihilate other factions and then get stuck into Europe and it takes another 30-40 years of hardwork (by me usually to get rid of them)

The first time I played the game i was totally taken by surprise, slaughtered on the battlefield and had to spend another 30 years trying to eradicate the horde.

Now I am forewarned and always keep spear type, arby or crossbow heavy armies to ward them off. I use lots of Steep Cavalry if I can to pincer the horsearchers by attacking them from behind and the flanks and pressing them up against my spearmen.

I usually do take some heavy losses but I always hold position and wear them down with archers. Once the Khan gets too close I charge him with spearmen and protect the flanks. Once he dies - they die.

My best defence was once using only spermen, basic archers and some steppe cavalry - it took a while but it worked.

cheers

[Marquis of Roland]

Does anyone know what is the maximum amount of mongol troops you can make appear? B/c I'm thinking about sending all of my field armies to khazar and wherever to fight a decisive battle against the full might of the Horde

Anyone remember the first scene of fellowship of the ring? THats what I want to play Final showdown between good (that'll be the mongols) and evil(me).

[nizar]

I was thinking of putting 20 full armies where the horde appear. If the horde appears in proportion to my army, they will be hugh

Then I will sacrifice my armies then see the horde conquer the world with their army. And maybe assist them to do so http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Zortanius]

Marquis and Nizar,

Evil, very evil ... but I like it.

The only problem is that once the Mongols get a foothold, their armies become very weak. Most of their Mongol HA become mongol warriors who are quite over rated. The fury dies down

Ah well.. It'll be interesting to see how big they can be.

Cheers

[Inuyasha12]

When i play Novgorod i usually stay out of that area, but i put a emissary in it so as soon as they emerge i can ally with them. If they don't ally with me i simply let them rampage through, poland and hungary because i usually stick to the north. But by then they'll have like 10 enemies and they will need allies. I wait until their many wars with other nations weaken him then i strike.

One time i managed to ally myself with them as the Kievans(BKB supermod), they were pretty weak and i decided to attack a province that had rebelled against them, they were my allies(of course). During them battle i surrounded all his forces and got my troops right into their formations, then declared war right on the battlefield and wiped them out.The surprise was so big that they began routing almost imediately, their khan was struck down by divine provedence(i love that).

Finally their kingdom fell into anarchy. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[HARALD THE RUTHELESS!]

Quote[/b] (Marquis of Roland @ June 30 2004,01:15)]Does anyone know what is the maximum amount of mongol troops you can make appear? B/c I'm thinking about sending all of my field armies to khazar and wherever to fight a decisive battle against the full might of the Horde

Anyone remember the first scene of fellowship of the ring? THats what I want to play Final showdown between good (that'll be the mongols) and evil(me).
Good? Mongols? Bunch of butcherers they are. Playing the Byz I also 'forgot' about the Mongol invasion. I looked at the year and thought, man.

The Golden Horde Emerge.

Emerge somewhere else not on my turf damnit. Mr. Khan invaded Khazar year after with 10 stacks or so.

Oh, another game down the crapper.

[king steven]

this might be a little of key but whilt @ college, i found this site

http://www.countryreports.org/history/mongohist.htm
so...umm enjoy
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[The Tuffen]

Once i've managed to have more troops in Khazar than the horde when they arrived (and i was playing as the english). I can't remember the exact size of my army but there was no space left for any more to be brought in http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Papewaio]

Playing Turks, had two battles Khazar... one Steppe Cavalry unit of 120 horse vs 16,000 mongols... went into the battle looked around for awhile then disappeared into the castle.

Second battle for Georgia. I had a mix of elite Armenian cavarly, saracen and a few other units... total of 2,200 led by a 7* general. Lost the battle but inficted twice the casualties against a 5000 strong mongol army. Leaving some 800 mongols (using huge units).

So I'm left with a steppe cav in a castle and a 7* general locked away.

Went into damage control. Fortified my borders and immediatly sent in recovery teams.

A force of some 400 peasants, 120 steppe cav and a proud prince attacked Khazar from the north... against 16k Mongols, while to the south a large force of armenian heavy cav lead by an attacking specialist charged at the mongol horde of a depleted stack.

The Mongols in turn moved all their Khazar troops against Georgia so my peasant army won.

While the one to the south in Georgia was given the option to abandon the castle which I did and my General was saved... with no vice for running like a girl... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif

[Inuyasha12]

Also i remember this battle in khazar, in an experiment of mine. I managed to build a fort there with and filled it with pike men. The mongols attacked the fort over and over again. The were smashed by the culverein towers and the hundreds of arrows being shot at them. It lasted for a very long while, like 2 hours or so. They kept sending in all they had. And i finally lost the battle after destroying like 4 of their whole stacks. They never really became a great empire after that disastrous battle, they expanded south and were wiped out by a turk/byzantine alliance.

[Malachus]

Yeah, the Mongols arrive around 1229, 1230, or 1231. They usually attack Khazar, Volga-Bulgaria, and Georgia. Just have large armies in those three provinces, and you can beat them easily. Once I played as the Turks and i had about 8 huge pillars of armies (saracen infantry and various turkish archers) waiting for the Mongols to arrive... in the first battle against them, I killed off all but maybe 3-4 units of Mongol Heavy Cav, and their Urban Militia and Archers fled the field soon thereafter. They only look tough, if you have the right units waiting, they'll be a piece of cake.

[Beetlio]

One of the best games I've had recently was using Vikinghorde's MTW XL mod as the volga-bulgarians in high. Starting with only volga bulgaria i had nowhere near the funds needed to combat the horde, so i devised a new plan - to migrate my entire faction across europe in the face of the advancing hordes and a establish a new khanate in the south of Spain Probably one of the most unique games I've played, I might put some screenshots and narrative up if I can work out how to view tgas... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-computer.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Tethlis]

Hi guys. I'm new, and this is my first post.

I had a great encounter with the Mongols. I was playing as Hungary, and had built up a nice little empire in eastern Europe. For the past 50 years or so, Spain had been conquering western Europe, swallowing up the other kingdoms. I had a touch-and-go alliance with them, and I figured the only thing stopping open war was the presence of Germany and the Pope who lay in the way.

Anyways, in my expansion in the east, I had formed a very strong alliance with Byzantium and the Russians. I've never seen anything like it before in MTW. This alliance lasted for centuries. It really was like some grand alliance of defence. These nations stuck with me, and I stuck with them. We intermarried all the time, so I never had to worry about a lack of heirs. Our armies actively helped each other.

So I was a little worried about Spain. They were expanding, and I didn't have the heart to break this romantic-esque alliance with my neighbours to grab an easy empire. But then, the Mongols appeared...

I had spies and ships everywhere. I couldn't believe it. A vast army of maybe 8000 appeared in Georgia. Another pair of armies hit Khazar and the province above it (can't remember its name). Byzantium was crushed. The Mongols swept into Asia minor, defeated the Byzantines, then turned south to attack Syria. I think they got to Palestine...

On the steppes they destroyed the Russians' army. They took everything from Khazar to Novgorod, and up to Kiev. Then they hit me.

My empire extended to the border with Kiev. Because I knew they were coming, I'd moved some troops to the border. When I saw how big their army was, I literally emptied my coffers buying mercenaries. I moved every spare unit I had to Moldavia, Spain or no Spain. I had maybe 20,000 men there, waiting for the Mongols.

Unfortunately, almost a century of peace had weakened my army. I didn't have enough high valour troops, even with a fairly good general. The Mongol Khan (lv9) gathered his troops and led a small attack from Kiev into the long thin province to the north (sorry, can't remember this name either). He took it, but I sent sent some troops to help the Russians retake it. We were beaten. Or should I say, trounced? The Mongol army was in one line, all heavy cavelry, and they just charged. They hit all at once, hit me and the Russians, and our armies crumbled. I was slightly peeved...

So I figured that I'd hold out in Moldavia, maybe try to take Kiev. That attack failed. Not only did it fail, I lost most of my men. Never send 15,000 fairly novice troops against 5000 battle hardened Mongols, and hit the automatic resollve button...

I figured I was in real trouble now. This was the first major threat I'd faced in months, since I'd gotten comfortable winning the game. I thought I was going to lose. But then, the alliance kicked in. I thought that if I was going to lose, I'd do it fighting. I gathered all my royal knights together with the remains of my army, maybe 6000 men total, and attacked Moldavia which had fallen). Byzantium, to my surprise, sent a few thousand men to help, and Russia sent a few hundred (Russia had, by now, retaken that thin province). It was one hell of a battle We won, just. I lost most of my troops though.

The Mongols never recovered. I think the Khan was killed, but he had a son by then. They fell apart. The Russians managed to take back most of their land. I got up to Kiev. It was Byzantium that really suffered.

So that was my experience with Mongols. To finish the story, Byzantium attacked me a few decades later. That war lasted for ages, but from an early stage I grabbed Constantinople. The Russians kept their side of the alliance, probably because the Mongols kept pestering them. In time, I beat them both. But while all this had been happening, Spain had kept growing. By 1350, Spain had everything that had (historically) made up the western roman empire, as well as the whole of britain, and the lands north and immediately west of Poland. Everything else was mine. A couple of other powers remained, holding onto provinces here or there. t wasa regular cold war. It wasn't until 1400ish that Spain attacked. They hit one province, and it sparked a huge war. We had tens of thousands of men on our borders, and the year after they attacked I sent everything I had against them. Unfortunately, I never finished the game as I deleted it during a bout of anger (I can do really weird things when angry).

Anyhoo, there ya go Still awake?

[Chimpyang]

Quote[/b] (Beetlio @ July 04 2004,19:32)]One of the best games I've had recently was using Vikinghorde's MTW XL mod as the volga-bulgarians in high. Starting with only volga bulgaria i had nowhere near the funds needed to combat the horde, so i devised a new plan - to migrate my entire faction across europe in the face of the advancing hordes and a establish a new khanate in the south of Spain Probably one of the most unique games I've played, I might put some screenshots and narrative up if I can work out how to view tgas... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-computer.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Wow...sounds really interesting. I suggest IrFanview (3.9) as a TGA viewer.

[KukriKhan]

We also have TGA viewer on this page:
http://www.totalwar.org/Downloads/Tools.shtml

[king steven]

welcome 2 the community http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[Malachus]

Yeah, the Mongols are only good if they catch you by surprise. When I fought them the second time (the first time, I was caught by surprise, I was playing the Byzantines) as the Turks i built up a lot of saracen infantry and a bunch of archers, and then i set my army in a half hex formation, the mongol cavalry charged me, but me saracen infantry held their ground, and my archers just pounded away at the Mongol cavalry. I left back about 3 or 4 units of cavalry, but that was maybe a total of 100 horses. That was the first wave. The second wave was their urban militia and their archers... as a matter of fact, I lost more troops when they used their UM and Archers as opposed to their cav.

P.S. In SP, saracen infantry are invaluable when playing the Turks or Egyptians... they hold their ground well, can engage in melee and win, and when u put a large line of archers behind them, u can do a line advance that is unbeatable by the AI... ive used it in about 70 SP battles on expert, and i havent lost yet.

[Ludens]

Quote[/b] (Beetlio @ July 04 2004,20:32)]Probably one of the most unique games I've played, I might put some screenshots and narrative up if I can work out how to view tgas... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-computer.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Uploading pictures to the org (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=24;t=10398)
This thread contains all the information you need on viewing, converting, hosting and posting pictures on the Org.

[Kali]

In my games the Mongols always seem to parade themselves around exposing there flanks and then back themselves into a corner were there mobility is of no use. Hope RTW can manage the Huns a little better.
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[mikebailey2000]

I am in my 1st Russian games now. When I started playing I was kicking butt. In the 1st 20 years I had taken all of Russian/Northern Asia out to the Polish, and down to the Byzantines. Then the horde came and it was game over. I had no idea that they were even coming.

I started a new game, ignored empire building, and did nothing but crank out halberdiers for the first 20 years and send them all to Khazar and the country north of it. I had about 11 halb in each spot when the horde came. They only attacked Khazar I sent everything there, found a big patch of trees, got in a circle with polearms pointed out, clicked Hold Formation and Hold Position, and watched the horsies pile up in big bloody windrows of death. The Mongol Archers did almost no damage to me since I was in the trees. I didn't even have to watch the whole battle since my men were set to hold position anyway. I was in a big, invulnerable circle in the forest. Since time ran out eventually, the horde lost, and since they had not gained a country, their faction was eliminated. OH YEAH Take that, scumbags

Now I have over 1/2 the world, and my only obstacle is the pesky English. I have a related thread about my issues with them....

[Beetlio]

Quote[/b] ]Wow...sounds really interesting. I suggest IrFanview (3.9) as a TGA viewer.

I finally managed to view my screenies in quicktime, of all things. I also dloaded a free trial of a program that converts images into about 50 different kinds of file so I should get them up somewhere soon. Thankyou all for your help, though http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Inuyasha12]

The mongols were not in europe or anywhere near europe during roman times. There were tartars(basically mongols) in the russian stepes. But they were nothing but tribes.

The real barbarian raiders in Rome will be the Huns, wich rome had a lot of trouble with
They almost raided rome itself, but the visigoths stole that honor from them. Too bad
Even the pope asked attila to leave( yes the pope he will be back , that bastard)At least i think he will 'cause he was there during later roman times.
I hope that the battle of chalons(spelling?) will be a historical battle in the game. Im looking foward to it.
If not i will edit it So i don't care anyways blah

[Beetlio]

I think the campaign in Rome starts around 250 BC, way before the huns, who only showed up when the Empire was already falling apart (about 300 AD). Also it would be pretty hard to have a pope at this point since it is Before Christ . But this all depends on how long the campaign lasts. In fact, I wonder if jesus will turn up in Rome? That would be pretty classic.

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[Lt Nevermind]

I think he's talking about the add-on, there was a recent interview where the devs revealed that the expansion pack would cover the fall of Rome (Huns, Goths, Vandals etc). I think the campaign (RTW) ends in 14 AD and IIRC it was MikeB who told at the .com that they have some small event about Jesus (no clue what it is).


About the Mongols in MTW, I belive that Mongols will a) always appear in Khazar no matter what b) appear in Volga-Bulgaria, Georgia and Armenia (some ppl say Syria also) if the province is disloyal enough (below 120 or 100 me thinks)

[katank]

just armenia if loyalty is enough. never saw Syria.

as for the Rome thing, it's only logical that Huns be in the expansion. you have mongol invasion, viking invasion, hun invasion.

works nicely...

[king steven]

Quote[/b] (katank @ July 07 2004,09:39)]as for the Rome thing, it's only logical that Huns be in the expansion. you have mongol invasion, viking invasion, hun invasion.
when did they come out

[Lt Nevermind]

Here's a quote from the .com from Machiavelli


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The gemran gamestar magazin contains some intresting information on Rome.
This may be especially worth of attention since Michael de Plater was with a playable version of Rome in Germany at the head quarter of this magazin.


They had an awasome video of real gameplay, romans against Barbarians, and against parthia, and greek city states (begin with Sparta) attack another independent greek city (Korinth)
They even used bruning pigs against the elephants, however it seems they are very hard to control, and the player messed up.
moreover you coukld see during the winter turn of the strategy part the areas covered by snow. really cool.

Themagazin also confirms Septmeber as release date (remember: this magazin said already a year ago that sept. 2004 will be release, even though at that time most hoped for Christmas 2003)

and it speaks about the future work of CA:
1) add on, an invasion (Huns, Vandals etc)
2) a second major game with the same engine (everything possible from Anceint time to napoleon), just like medival was in comparison to Shogun
3) and a secret new game, with new engine etc, possible a fantasy game


okay, thought thats intresting...

Here's also a link for a part of that article (if your german is OK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif )

Article (http://www.gamestar.de/magazin/previews/strategie/18438/1.html)

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