New Buliding

[hundurinn]

Well here is the new building (Link) (http://www.totalwar.com/community/rome.htm)
Hanging Gardens, is this building alright or is this hollywood building?
Quote[/b] ]Babylonian records, oddly, do not have any references to the Hanging Gardens
Are the buildings also getting out of hand? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-surprised.gif

[Trax]

Hanging gardens are fine, maybe they existed and maybe not, but they are no Egyptians. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[Catiline]

it's one of the seven wonders. They've got the Colossus of Rhodes so they might as well include the rest of them.

[hundurinn]

Quote[/b] ]it's one of the seven wonders. Ok good to know. I wasn't sure. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Sir Robin]

I was not aware that Babylonian records do not mention the hanging gardens. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Is this true?

[Leet Eriksson]

I don't really know,i thoughtthe hanging gardens were destroyed by the persian invasion of babylon,before Alexander the Great invaded.Either way the persians invaded babylon several times,so it would have been destroyed sooner or later.

[Rufus]

Supposedly there were the last thing Alexander saw as he lay dying ...

[Leet Eriksson]

good point,then it was probably destroyed after Alexanders time,though i don't know who really destroyed it.However what purpose do Wonders have besides being graphical eye-candy?

If they do grant benefits,then the Hanging Gardens was not only a palace,but it served as some sort of storage.

[Divine Wind]

What will this building do? Morale boost for troops in the region? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[hundurinn]

Most likely, unless it has the ability to train walking trees to help you destroy the world. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[alman9898]

It won't last long when my troops arrive http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[The Wizard]

Quote[/b] (faisal @ June 09 2004,19:02)]I don't really know,i thoughtthe hanging gardens were destroyed by the persian invasion of babylon,before Alexander the Great invaded.Either way the persians invaded babylon several times,so it would have been destroyed sooner or later.
No, the walls were destroyed by Xerxes, but the gardens (as well as the great gate and others) were spared.

Anyways, most historians tend to agree on the existance of the gardens of Nebuchadnezzar; we just don't know how they looked. I imagined them differently, but this is matter of one's own mind.



~Wiz

[nightcrawlerblue]

Quote[/b] (hundurinn @ June 09 2004,14:31)]Most likely, unless it has the ability to train walking trees to help you destroy the world. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif
Yeah Forget elephants I want Ents

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

All in all, the only buildings I have problems with are the Egyptian domed ones. They were constructed during Roman rule.

[Spino]

The Hanging Gardens were just that, a massive, multi-tiered garden, not a palace. Although the pool located on the top level must have held a considerable amount of water.

As I understand it Nebuchadnezzar's wife was Persian(?) and was feeling rather homesick for the greener, more mountainous regions of her homeland. When old Neb built the gardens he not only intended that its design loosely resemble that of a mountain but he also ordered a generous sampling of the flora and fauna of her homeland transplanted to the hanging gardens to make her feel more at home. Nice guy that Neb http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ceasaryes.gif

Babylon should be one of the more impressive looking cities in the game. In addition to the Hanging Gardens there should also be the massive Tower of Babel devoted to the god Marduk. Those two wonders alone should offer some serious Happiness boosts to the local population.

[RisingSun]

But would it not also instill great nationalistic (I use the term tentatively) pride in the native peoples so as to make them more likely to rebel?

Until of course it has been long enough that they are assimilated into your culture.

[Kraxis]

Quote[/b] (RisingSun @ June 09 2004,17:17)]But would it not also instill great nationalistic (I use the term tentatively) pride in the native peoples so as to make them more likely to rebel?

Until of course it has been long enough that they are assimilated into your culture.
Because the Babylonians didn't revolt during the time tehy had the gardens, though they did revolt to Assyrian rule some 100 years previously (prior to the gardens).

Anyway, we don't know anything certain about the gardens, not even if they existed, though it is quite likely. The gardens the Alexandrian troops might have mentioned could very well be the Persian gardens laid down by Darius I (first Persian king) in Persagardae.

[The Wizard]

The Babylonians were like the Egyptians in revolting; extremely annoying buggers, but no more.

They revolted over 20 times under Assyrian domination, and 3 times under Persian domination. The last time, Xerxes destroyed the massive ziggurat of Bel-Marduk, another slightly smaller ziggurat, the massive walls of the city, and smelted down the 24 karat holy statue of Bel-Marduk, a statue of which the hand a new king of Babel had to take to prove his holy power. To add to that, he took Babylon's symbol of semi-independence, it being a satrapical capital, from it.

Well-deserved, methinks. He should've torched Memphis down as well.



~Wiz http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-devilish.gif

[Mouzafphaerre]

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AFAIK, archeologists could not find anything that could be identified as the gardens. They were most probably just a matter of legend and/or literature, just like Troia. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-zzz.gif
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[RisingSun]

I think they did find something, but they couldn't tell for certain.

And I'm positive they did find Troy.

[The Wizard]

Quote[/b] (Mouzafphaerre @ June 12 2004,17:35)]-
AFAIK, archeologists could not find anything that could be identified as the gardens. They were most probably just a matter of legend and/or literature, just like Troia. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-zzz.gif
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Strange then, that historians both agree on the existence of Ilios and the existence of the hanging gardens of Nebuchadnezzar...



~Wiz

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Mouzafphaerre @ June 12 2004,11:35)]-
AFAIK, archeologists could not find anything that could be identified as the gardens. They were most probably just a matter of legend and/or literature, just like Troia. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-zzz.gif
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Is that so, Mouzafphaerre??? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

Wasn't Troy discovered by Heinrich Schliemann in 1882? I thought it was situated in the village of Hissarlik, a dozen of kilometers from the village of Bournabashi in Turkey.

[RisingSun]

Yes. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif

[lonewolf371]

Well then again some historians will disagree with anything, like that crazy guy from Northwestern who thinks the Holocaust never happened... But I thought that in recent excavations they found the remains of what could have been a pump system in Babylon, which some archaeologists and historians believe could have pumped the water to fuel the plant growth. Babylon isn't my strong suit, so I'll just leave my post at that.

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (RisingSun @ June 12 2004,19:53)]Yes. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif
I thought so... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (lonewolf371 @ June 13 2004,01:23)]But I thought that in recent excavations they found the remains of what could have been a pump system in Babylon, which some archaeologists and historians believe could have pumped the water to fuel the plant growth. Babylon isn't my strong suit, so I'll just leave my post at that.
There is almost certainity about the existence of the Hanging Gardens. They were mentioned in several unrelated documents in several eras. The only things puzzling Historians are the processes used for irrigating the several plateaux...

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Don't some historians believe troy was really somewhere in England? If that is shite i'm sorry but i swear i've read of it somewhere http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

That last post was off topic sorry about that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (The Blind King of Bohemia @ June 15 2004,17:44)]Don't some historians believe troy was really somewhere in England? If that is shite i'm sorry but i swear i've read of it somewhere http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif Huuuuuuuuhhhhh??? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-surprised.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-lost.gif NOPE http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif Are you sure they are Historians??? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-juggle.gif

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

There was thread on the org i think(maybe monastery?) and i read an article somewhere. Something to do with the valuable tin supply in the south of England, amomgst other things. God knows if its true or not http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (The Blind King of Bohemia @ June 15 2004,18:10)]There was thread on the org i think(maybe monastery?) and i read an article somewhere. Something to do with the valuable tin supply in the south of England, amomgst other things. God knows if its true or not http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
Herodutus would have been quite puzzled http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif

[lonewolf371]

As would Heinrich Schlieman, or whatever his name was. Troy has been confirmed by most of the archaelogical community as a real city located on the coast of north-western Anatolia. In addition, other excavations in Greece itself depict a war-like civilization exiting around the same time. The war-like civilization is thought to be most to be that which sacked Troy, with its leaders being those described by Herodotus in the Iliad (Agamemnon, Menelaus, Achilles, Ajax, Odysseus, so and and so forth, there about 20 for Pete's sake).

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Hey Geezer i read it somewhere, it isn't my opnion alright. Jesus http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[Kraxis]

You might be mixing a few things up.
There are some myths about Odysseus acutally going north out of the Med on his travels. That is one connection.
Another is that Albion was supposed to have been settled by Trojan refugees.

Neither are the least expectable.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I'll post some about it a bit later, its quite interesting theory but i'll leave you lot to judge yourself http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (lonewolf371 @ June 16 2004,00:36)]In addition, other excavations in Greece itself depict a war-like civilization exiting around the same time. The war-like civilization is thought to be most to be that which sacked Troy, with its leaders being those described by Herodotus in the Iliad (Agamemnon, Menelaus, Achilles, Ajax, Odysseus, so and and so forth, there about 20 for Pete's sake).
It was called Mycenean Civilization.