First Time: HRE

[Game Over!!!]

I'm playing my first campaign as the HRE/Early/Expert. Do the Swiss automatically emerge like the GH at a certain date or does the province Switzerland have to be revolting after a certain date? It's about 1175 and I'm teching up Switz pretty extensively so when HIGH era hits I can start pumping out those killer SAP's. What I don't want is Switz to rebel after I teched it up and the rebels get everything, including those before mentioned killer SAP's.
Also, do u think the SAP's are worth all that intensive infrastructure?

[cutepuppy]

Switzerland has to be rebel (or low loyalty) before the Swiss can emerge. They don't emerge before the signing of the treaty of the three cantons (1293?).
SAP's can only be built in late (after 1321) and I think they are worth all the infrastructure (what else should you build in Switzerland?). But I wouldn't conquer half of Europe just to get them (I'm satisfied with my gold/gold valor 6 CFK's)

[Ironside]

Swiss halbs are quite useful and available in high.

[Game Over!!!]

Thanks for the replies...I'll make sure to keep Switz happy so I don't get any nasty 'emergences' from that 9 star Swiss King. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[katank]

build happiness buildings liek churches which boost morale too.

stick some spies in there and I never had a problem with the swiss.

[Xiphias]

Does Burgundy have the same conditions and what's the earliest date for them?

[Red Harvest]

Quote[/b] (Xiphias @ June 17 2004,03:21)]Does Burgundy have the same conditions and what's the earliest date for them?
I don't know the date, but the conditions are roughly the same. Might cover more provinces than Burgundy. I think I've seen them emerge an adjacent French province instead before, but I could be mistaken (might have been a re-emergence.)

I suspect the earliest date is about 1384 when Philip the Bold took power.