EASTERN FACTIONS

[kataphraktoi]

Same deal with all others.

The Wiz sez he wants to do stuff on the Parthians and such.

Start here

[kataphraktoi]

Ok heres my first contribution.

Some osprey pics of Parthians...

heavy metal (http://www.geocities.com/weirdguynextdoor/Parthiancat.gif)

Parthians (http://www.geocities.com/weirdguynextdoor/parthianarm.jpg)

Whaddaya think?

[kataphraktoi]

don't forget to dio "save target as"

[Degtyarev14.5]

Hi kataphraktoi, and anyone else looking at the Eastern factions. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Sorry, I've been out of the scene these past few days. My computer went on strike (damn hypersensitive motherboard) and then I had a slug of long shifts at work. And they're not over yet, but I thought I'd pop my head up and let you know I'm still here.

I'll be back this way in a few days,
Until then,
A.

[Oleander Ardens]

Are the Sarmantians included in the Eastern Factions?
As an Indo-iranian tribe dominating the Euroasian steppes from the Danube to the Wolga the should...

Anyway I will take them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[The Wizard]

Already busy with the Parthians for Europa Barbarorum...

Just kind of wondering what a West Iranian cataphract did on the field, that's all.



~Wiz

[kataphraktoi]

Sure Sarmatians are considered eastern and if ya got pics, u are MORE THAN WELCOME

Kat

[scooter_the_shooter]

http://www.soldiers-russia.com/new_soldiers/roman_empire/pa1_r.JPG

http://www.soldiers-russia.com/new_soldiers/roman_empire/pa1.JPG


one link wont work copy and paste it plz

[ah_dut]

nice

[The Wizard]

Based on the well-known grafitti of a Parthian cataphract of the 2nd century AD, conical spangenhelm (to use the European term for a helmet constructed of four different pieces of metal riveted together), coat of combined mail and plates, and fully armoured charger.



~Wiz

[scooter_the_shooter]

here you go more from google

http://images.google.com/images?....8&hl=en (http://images.google.com/images?q=parthian+horse+archers&ie=UTF-8&hl=en)

http://images.google.com/images?....spell=1 (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=+parthian+horsemen&spell=1)


hope it helps i used to have an ancient army sight but i cant find it now

[scooter_the_shooter]

here is some stuff not from google

http://www.parthia.com/

hope it will help ya

[The Wizard]

Just about the best you can get is just buy some Osprey books and other books on the Parthian/Indo-Iranian armies, and use them.

They provide a lot more information than the internet, I am sorry to report. :\



~Wiz

[scooter_the_shooter]

yeah i even tried google came up with like 6 things and yahoo and every ancient sight i know they are hard i will stick with the romans. but pop in heere every once in a while too

[scooter_the_shooter]

some units i found my book these are scythian

scythian warhammer calvary- these men are light calvary and carry a hammer that is pointed they are deadly advesaries indeed.

slaves- these are people that scythians conquered they reletively useless but VERY cheap with small maitnence cost.
poor morale
weak attack
no defence
tire easily
weak charge

slave skirmishers- these are the same as other slaves except they throw small javelins

scythian horse archers- these men are armed with bows have great aim and are deadly advesaries.
good attack
weak armor

these units may not be acurate i do not know how good this book is i will go to the library and get more soon.

[The Wizard]

I really think this should be linked with Europa Barbarorum.... the historical part at least.



~Wiz

[scooter_the_shooter]

i dont really get what the europa barborum thing is i read some of the thread and still dont get it

[The Wizard]

It's an organisation of volunteers from the community which is giving an 'advice' of sorts to CA, having done research on the armies of the contemporary factions that will appear in RTW.



~Wiz

[scooter_the_shooter]

my book also says they carried lasos to get people with so mayby put that in

[Dead Moroz]

Quote[/b] (ceasar010 @ June 18 2004,00:14)]scythian warhammer calvary- these men are light calvary and carry a hammer that is pointed they are deadly advesaries indeed.

scythian horse archers- these men are armed with bows have great aim and are deadly advesaries.
good attack
weak armor
There were no separate types of units: archers, warhammerers, etc. Every Scythian warrior carried a complex of different arms (for different purposes).

http://www.ruslan-com.ru/zotov/scyth3.jpg
http://www.ruslan-com.ru/zotov/scyth4.jpg

[scooter_the_shooter]

your right but we cant have one guy in a unit with an ax and another guy in the same unt with a hammer. it would be cool though

[ah_dut]

nice pics all

[Steppe Merc]

Getting the Enemies of Rome:Parthians, and the Sarmatian Osprey books. Will scan and post all pics once I've got them. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[kataphraktoi]

Thanks steppe merc, really appreicated. I have a couple of esprey books but none related to the RTW...

Since Europa Barbarum is alreayd well set and organised, perhaps this whole RTW thread should be a threshing mill for historical discussion/debate/ideas while Europa Barbarum serves as a "formal" mouthpiece for RTW fans where they formally present their research???

Or should it kept as co-aligned historical discussion thread thingy??

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Kataphraktoi the heavily armoured Ghost.

[RisingSun]

Well certainly we could use Europa Barbarorum's help with the mod, but I think that they should at least officially stay seperate.

[The Wizard]

We should unify the two, Europa Barbarorum becoming the historical aid for the mod...



~Wiz

[scooter_the_shooter]

i am with wiz on that

[kataphraktoi]

Yeap, Agree with Wiz.

I think EB should take the lead in RTW MOD and its restoration to historical fidelity.

As I suggested, EB should be the formal mouthpiece while the HIST. TOPICS should be forums to throw around some ideas, information gathering and a forum for RTW historicity.

Whatever u guys want, just tell me what to co-ordinate, etc, etc, etc...

[ah_dut]

Quote[/b] (The Wizard @ June 19 2004,23:47)]We should unify the two, Europa Barbarorum becoming the historical aid for the mod...



~Wiz
DO it NOW

[Lil' Timmy]

maybe you guys should sticky these "HISTORICAL FACTION" threads, just a thought.

[kataphraktoi]

Yo Wiz, i wonder if you coul;d pitch this unified idea to the other guys in EB and get their opinions...wouldn't be right for a few of us to hijack EB and proclaim a merger all of a sudden.

Ka.

[Nowake]

Which EB? It is mostly dead. The founder was Stefan the Berseker

Members, randomly ordered:

The_Emperor
Big King Sanctaphrax
frogbeastegg
PSHYCO
Nowake
Monk
Stefan the Berserker
Revenant69
Parmenio
Aymar de Bois Mauri
Cebei
Teutonic Knight

The ones coming up with decent material: Stefan, Psycho, Aymar, and myself, also frogbeastegg and The Wizard. And not even one material is completely finished.

What I would like to add: no need for tons of links and pictures. No need. What one must present is coherent material. Not history, but social, economic and military (of course) aspects, with sugestions on how to be implemented. Pictures should also be posted in order to ilustrate material. Random links and pictures should be postd only if requested by other member who lacks material.

As for me, I must say that I won't be able to participate actively in the coming 2 weeks, due to exams. My material on dacians will be completed after this period, also I have some schetches on Thracians, Sarmatians and Germans.

[Lil' Timmy]

as if in wilful disregard of nowake's post, ima posting a link alone it contains some info aout various types of persian cavalry (derived from armenia, scythia, bedia, etc.). it contains some details about what certain cavalry models should look like, such as having clipped manes/tied tails, etc.

edit: also, it talks a bit aobut the persian economy in terms of 'horse tribute' (but i don't think that's something to be implemented in r:tw.. but i could be wrong).

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~ancientpersia/cavalry.html

[The Wizard]

Quote[/b] (Nowake @ June 21 2004,12:29)]Which EB? It is mostly dead. The founder was Stefan the Berseker

Members, randomly ordered:

The_Emperor
Big King Sanctaphrax
frogbeastegg
PSHYCO
Nowake
Monk
Stefan the Berserker
Revenant69
Parmenio
Aymar de Bois Mauri
Cebei
Teutonic Knight

The ones coming up with decent material: Stefan, Psycho, Aymar, and myself, also frogbeastegg and The Wizard. And not even one material is completely finished.

What I would like to add: no need for tons of links and pictures. No need. What one must present is coherent material. Not history, but social, economic and military (of course) aspects, with sugestions on how to be implemented. Pictures should also be posted in order to ilustrate material. Random links and pictures should be postd only if requested by other member who lacks material.

As for me, I must say that I won't be able to participate actively in the coming 2 weeks, due to exams. My material on dacians will be completed after this period, also I have some schetches on Thracians, Sarmatians and Germans.
I'm quite far with the Parthian units now. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif



~Wiz

[kataphraktoi]

So, does that mean, we the usurping minority declare EB merged with these loose historical topic threads?

Does that mean EB is now a formal mouthpiece where coheretn historical material is presented?

While topics like these are a loose collections of links and such?

[Steppe Merc]

Sorry for taking so long with the plates. Still haven't gotten the books, shouldn't arrive until July second http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif Darn slow Amazon

Oh, about merging with EB, from what I understand our two goals are not the same. We're for a mod, their for... I'm not quite sure, but not a mod I think.

[The Wizard]

We are for historical accuracy - so are you people doing the mod thing.

To best further both our goals, it would be great to merge our pools (and sinc Europe Barbarorum is already very far into research...) of information.



~Wiz

[Steppe Merc]

I've got the book on the Parthians, will scan pics and post interestting/relevant info after I finished reading it. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[The Wizard]

It (plus Parthia.com) is my main source of information ...



~Wiz

[Steppe Merc]

I've got the book on the Sarmatians. I'll post pics and info on them and the Parthians ASAP