campaign map military maneuvers

[afrit]

Hello,
I have encountered situations where I order my armies to advance to certain provinces, but then because of the AI's moves, I end up fighting battles elsewhere. Let me illustrate (in this scenario I hold NOrmandy and Ile De France. Enemy holds Brittany and Anjou).

Case #1:
I order my army in Normandy to attack the AI in Brittany. But the AI also orders its army in Brittany to attack me in Normandy in the same turn. Where is the battle fought then~http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif ?

Case #2: I order my armies in NOrmandy and Ile DeFrance to attack enemy in Anjou. But AI orders its army in Brittany to attack me in Normandy. What happens to my Normandy army? does it end up defending Normandy or is it engaged in the Anjou attack http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif ? What happens if his army in Anjou attacks me in Normandy? do I get Anjou without a fight but lose Normandy to his overwhelming numbers~http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif ?

Because I don't know the rules of where battles get fought, I end up having to leave a sizeable garrison in my important provinces when attacking from them, just to guard against a stealth attack from another front http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

Any clarification is appreciated .

Thanks http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

If you invade brittany but the a.i invade normandy, you'll virtually swap provinces. I usually leave a tiny garrison or not one at all. Taking risks wins campaigns in my view.

The normandy invasion of anjou will probably revert back to you defending on Normandy.

In france don;t give the enemy a chance move quickly and destroy them before they can recover or cripple them so badly they will never bother u again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[motorhead]

Whoa Are you alright BKOB??? It's all about numbers, no swapping ever happens when two armies cross-invade.


Quote[/b] ]Case #1:
I order my army in Normandy to attack the AI in Brittany. But the AI also orders its army in Brittany to attack me in Normandy in the same turn. Where is the battle fought then~ ?
For cross-invasions, whoever has the most men becomes the invader. If you have 201 men vs 200 of theirs, you're invading Brittany. Other way around (200 you vs 201 them) and you're defending Normandy.


Quote[/b] ]Case #2: I order my armies in NOrmandy and Ile DeFrance to attack enemy in Anjou. But AI orders its army in Brittany to attack me in Normandy. What happens to my Normandy army? does it end up defending Normandy or is it engaged in the Anjou attack ? What happens if his army in Anjou attacks me in Normandy? do I get Anjou without a fight but lose Normandy to his overwhelming numbers~ ?

- If the AI invades Brittany->Normandy, your Normandy->Anjou army continues with the attack to Anjou
- If the AI counter invades (Anjou->Normandy) and his army in Anjou is larger, your Normandy army will be in a defensive battle while your Ile de France army continues it's invasion. If you have more men attacking from Normandy->Anjou, the AI will be defending against your combined Normandy and IDF army.


When invading, the actual battle map depends upon which border your commanding general crosses. If you send 2000 men across border-1 (flat plains) and just your general (20 man unit) across border-2 (bridge), into the same province, then the battle map is a bridge.

The official stratguide also suggests that sending a token invasion force across a border (say 100 peasants) can discourage the AI from invading. In your case, when your main Normandy army invades Anjou, send a unit (say 100 peasants) into Brittany. This doesn't always work, but it does seem that the AI would rather notch a defensive win instead of capturing a province.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I've seen both occur. I have seen an army invade as i have entered there province and me taking therea and they take mine. I've seen the ones you said(being much more often). I've been working late hours at the moment and my sleep patterns are all over the place so excuse any confusment http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-zzz.gif

[motorhead]

For the past year i've played with watch computer moves on, and I can say with 100% certainty that I've never seen province swapping - ever, and I've played more SP campaigns than I care to admit http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-curtain.gif . Before i took the time to watch the AI moves, i'd see strange things and wonder 'How did that happen?', but with watch-moves-on i've never seen it happen.

edit: and i rarely play GA, i'm a total conquest, rule the world by force kinda guy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ht_charge.gif

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Its been rare but i have seen it. As the cumans in my mod i invaded hungary and at the same time the army in hungary invaded carpathia. Guess it was a fluke http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[motorhead]

yah, play enough games and you'll see everything under the sun, even rebels building ships http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

True geezer true. A strange one was when i had a province and for some reason the castle fell to the rebels Even though there was no rebellion in the province http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

Saying that i have modded the hell out of it and thats probably the reason http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[motorhead]

I had a strange one recently, not quite as odd as yours, more of a game mechanics burp.

- Cyprus (formerly my prov) held by rebels. I launch Jihad and a stack to re-take. My allies the English send 15 stacks to aid me (the English were really strong). Next turn, popbox tells me the rebs have turned the province over to my jihad (the prov was 80% muslim), so the prov is mine, right? Well, the game chews this over and decides that since the English have arrived for a battle, a battle is what they'll get. Battle screen pops up and tells me the English have invaded. Hmm...15 stacks versus 1.5 stacks. I'll pass on those odds. Then i get a jihad has failed message and i have to ransom my troops back. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Yeah, once as the Byzantines i had egypt, my allies the aragonese arrived by crusade(the province used to belong the almohads) and without that warningwe have come here, god's work, give us the province and all that, the province reverts to aragon I have no idea what happened but the aragonese certainly paid for it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif