merging and upgrading units: How?

[Marquis of Roland]

Greetings fellow MTW players

I am new to the org. I got MTW awhile ago from a friend but he forgot to give me the instruction books. This site and especially frostbeastegg's guides were very helpful in figuring out a lot of commands and options I didn't even know about. However, I'm still not sure how to merge units or upgrade them. I tried moving my men back to my teched-out provinces to upgrade but don't know what menu or what I need to click on.
I am ending up with 1 man battalions with like 15 valor or something and I don't want to disband because of all that valor (I have one guy holding livonia or something and he singlehandedly took out about 600 rebels on simulation; they need to make a movie about this guy)

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Marquis of Roland http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif

[soibean]

to merge a unit into another there must be enough space in the unit to hold him (ie. by adding the unit you cant have more than 960 men total in that army or more than 16 units)
if those conditions are met then you click and hold the unit, drag him over to the other unit (must be in the same province), the other unit should light up, and then release and he will fall into that group

to upgrade the units you need to bring them into a province with the desired upgrades that you want (ie. metalsmith, blacksmith, or just a higher version of that unit) Place the unit into the keep or castle or whatever, open the build units menu, click and drag the units from the garrison into the queue for creating new units and they will proceed to do so.

I hope that helped

[Marquis of Roland]

Thanks soibean that definitely helps. Now my one-man armies can have some backup http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

One more question on merging units: do they have to have the same armor/attack upgrades for them to merge? I have about a dozen single royal knights units with +10 valor but different upgrade levels was wondering if I could form them into the knights of the round table or something hehehe http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[Gregoshi]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif Hello Roland.

To answer your last question, the armour/weapons upgrades don't matter in the merge. Each individual man retains his own stats in a merger. The stats shown on the unit icon are an average for the whole unit.

[Marquis of Roland]

Ah I see. Can't wait to get off work and put my elite knights into one unit and have some real fun. THanks gregoshi http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ceasaryes.gif

[Xiphias]

Of course, if they're royal then you can't merge them.

[Ludens]

Quote[/b] (Gregoshi @ June 21 2004,06:56)]To answer your last question, the armour/weapons upgrades don't matter in the merge. Each individual man retains his own stats in a merger. The stats shown on the unit icon are an average for the whole unit.
Actually, this is probably not true. Ichi has started a thread about merging units some time ago in the main hall. This is the link: Combining Units: maximize fun and profit (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=7;t=15129;hl=ichi)

In this thread Ichi pointed out that all soldiers will get the armour and weapons upgrade of the recieving unit. Only valour is kept track of on individual basis (discipline and morale upgrades are unknown, but probably same as weapon and armour).

The computer has auto-merging activated standard ('tidy up units'-tag), but since it tends to make a mess of it, I always do it manually.

Retraining works a little differently: you need to click-and-drag the unit icon (unit icon, not the army) to the unit-training queque of a province with the appropriate facilities (bowyer for archers, and so fort). The unit will retain its upgrades, but if better ones are available, then it will recieve those too.

[nizar]

Hello Roland

I learn something new everytime I visit the forums.

[Papewaio]

For maximum benefit of merges have 3 units of the same type in an army.

After a battle Merge the second and best one together. The third unit then tops up the second best. When it gets to the point that the third unit will be absorbed totally into the new unit DON'T do it... send it home to be upgraded.

This way you can get base 4 or 5 valour troops (I've done it with woodsmen) before adding the generals bonus.

I've found it is most effective with large combat HTH units which have decent armour (so you retain more of your troops in the long run) who get lots of kills... cavalry obviously and armour piercing troops (as knocking off heirs and generals is a great boost to an individuals valour)... I think I will have to see how high I can get some billmen :D

[Gregoshi]

Quote[/b] (Ludens @ June 21 2004,06:04)]Actually, this is probably not true.
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-no.gif

I gotta stop answering questions...

I'd better just shut up and http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Marquis of Roland]

I can't merge Royals??? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif

[Xiphias]

Well, you can shuffle about the men in a unit for princes but you can't have two princes in one unit.

If you've got two ten men royal knight units led by princes than merging then will result in one 19 men unit (led by the first prince) and one 1 man unit (the 1 man being the second prince).

[Marquis de Said]

And the same applies for any generals with V&V's or stars. If you have two 10-man units with generals with V&V's or stars and you merge them, the other general will stay on his own, because of his stars or V&V's. It is sometimes really annoying when you get one guy left over, just because he has a Loyal or Chinless wonder V&V.

Marquis de Said

[RedKnight]

That was a good link to ichi's thread... good stuff there... quick question,

if all you do is upgrade a unit, are you still charged the price of a new unit? if it had a full complement. anybody know? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[motorhead]

Quote[/b] ]if all you do is upgrade a unit, are you still charged the price of a new unit?
- nope, upgrades are free. If you re-train a partial unit, you pay just the % of the unit cost being replaced.

[ichi]

Quote[/b] (RedKnight @ June 22 2004,19:15)]That was a good link to ichi's thread... good stuff there... quick question,

if all you do is upgrade a unit, are you still charged the price of a new unit? if it had a full complement. anybody know? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
The cost of retraining is based on the number of men that are needed to fill the unit, with upgrades for armor and weapons essentially free. This makes sense since it costs the same to build a basic unit as it does to build one with upgrades.

You can merge any unit, including Royal Knights, but you can't merge any two Generals that have V&Vs or Command stars.

ichi