We dont want American Civil Total war

[Nomad]

Given the vast panoptic of history,
I am sadly disappointed the TW are considering such a microcosm as the American Civil war to follow RTW. If this is more than just a rumour we perhaps should give CA some feed back. If you have alternatives perhaps you could post them here. If we get enough good ideas we could do a poll and send CA are results. After all we're the target audience. So whats your favourite era and geographical location for the next TW.
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[Duke John]

Since this isn't mod related it has been moved to the Entrance Hall.

Cheers, Duke John

[IrishMike]

Two eras that i would like to see is the Chinese periods of war and the Aztecs and Native American civilizations. Just a suggestion.

[PseRamesses]

My passion is ancient Egypt and since 1990 i´ve been an amateur researcher on this topic. The kind of stuff relating to ancient Egypt and her neighbours that I havent got stored isn´t worth knowing so the choice is obviously clear to me.

When RTW comes out I´m planning an epic 9 era mod, with the Old-, Middle- and New Kingdoms divided into 3 eras each thus even covering the Intermediate Periods. New tech tree, units, maps etc etc. I don´t care how long it will take but I this is a dream I´ve been having since CIVII. I made a decent mod for that game, made another for Pharaoh and tried it with Call to Power but cancelled it.

Anyone interested can mail me at pse@brevet.se ,hope to hear from you Pharoh-devoutees out there, he he

[SirGonkSevenT3]

As I mentioned in another post, the western hemisphere has potential, but it needs to be expanded beyond the American Civil War.

Personally I would love to play as the Aztecs and try to repulse the Spanish invaders. Can you imagine how amazing the 3d renditions of Tenochtitlan would be? So, much potential.

But if not the Western Hemisphere, give us Asia.

[SirGonkSevenT3]

Another thought...

What about a Cradle of Civilization Total War? The theater could encompass Egypt to Persia and cover the dawn of civilization. Take on the role of the Babylonians or the emerging Israelites. Unite Upper and Lower Egypt before striking east.

[Bigwig]

Since the mod worked out so well, I think an official version of Napoleonic: Total War would be great, especially if they could add some ship combat in there.

[Rufus]

I wouldn't mind Civil War - although the TW series might not be the best format. There definitely needs to be a new Civil War strategy game that captures the full sweep of the war era. There's nothing recent that I've been able to find, and Sid Meier's games were battle-specific.

If CA wants to delve into this hemisphere's history, I think a better one would be New World: Total War, 1492-1830. Ideally it could cover the New World and Europe, since events in Europe influenced colonization, but that might be too much. You could have:

Era of Discovery, 1492-1588
Factions: Spain, Portugal, Aztecs, Incas, Mayans, Caribs/Arawaks, Iroquois, Cherokee, Lakota Sioux, Dakota Sioux, Oglala Sioux, Apache, Comanche, Hopi, Zuni, Seminole, Inuit.

Era of Conquest and Colonization: 1588-1750
Factions: same as above but drop Caribs/Arawaks and add England, France, Holland, Sweden, Russia.

Wars of Independence: 1750-1830
Factions: same as above but each colony can be played as a separate faction. The mother country, if not played, could play the Pope or Senate role until you decide to fight for independence.

Another issue is how to balance the vast technological disparity between the European and Indian factions. Maybe the Indians could produce buildings and troops at far less cost and could start with more of the map visible, and easier initial access to resources?

[Ograbme]

New World: Total War is an awesome title, but I'd rather see the same time period in another Euro-centric game. Mostly for the 30 Years War.

[Rufus]

Quote[/b] ]New World: Total War is an awesome title, but I'd rather see the same time period in another Euro-centric game. Mostly for the 30 Years War.

Yeah but that could already be modded pretty easily out of MTW or RTW, right? Not that you couldn't for the New World too but it's more of a stretch.

The Americas would provide entirely new types of factions and units (natives, etc.), plus terrains not used in the TW series before like tropical jungle. If they did New World, they would almost certainly have to include real-time naval combat too ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[SirGonkSevenT3]

For the New World idea, I think stopping at 1830 would be a bit too soon. I would like to see it through to 1900. The Spanish American War really marked the end of Old World domination over the New World. It would be great for it to cover the rise and fall of the Old World in the New.

[RedKnight]

IIRC Europa Universalis did include tribes... heck, it was Whole World: Total War (colonization of the whole world, by Europe).

I agree, the U.S. Civil War seems much too small a focus for the MTW engine. Although if they make the engine robust enough, including an even better tactical engine, heck they could unleash all or part of TW (emphasizing strat over tacs or v-v) on all kinds of stuff It can almost - but not quite - be used for a stand-alone Risk/pure strat game OR a stand-alone battle/tactical engine, as it is

[Jason the Absentminded]

I love the Civil War, but to be honest, I think it's too small of a conflict for TW. I would rather updated versions of Shogun and Medieval, with the new engine. As far as new territory goes, I would love to see Asia. Chinese and Indian armies especially.

[Antalis::]

I would love to see a Civilisation-TW: The map would be the earth and the time frame from the stoneage to the present.
But not in campaigns: From the beginning of history to its end.

I know this would be much work, but it would be great

[Martok]

Quote[/b] (SirGonkSevenT3 @ June 22 2004,12:26)]Another thought...

What about a Cradle of Civilization Total War? The theater could encompass Egypt to Persia and cover the dawn of civilization. Take on the role of the Babylonians or the emerging Israelites. Unite Upper and Lower Egypt before striking east.
Now that would be cool I would definitely purchase a Total War game based on that era.


Incidentally, I also agree that the American Civil War wouldn't make for a very good TW game. While that period has always held a certain fascination for me, I don't believe it would actually translate well to a Total War format. If nothing else, the fact that there could really only be 2 factions (the Union and the Confederacy) would severly limit the game's replay and entertainment value.


One TW game that I'd love to see someday would be Greece: Total War. I was thinking that it would cover the period from around 600 B.C. (the beginnings of Athenian democracy) to around 371 B.C. (the end of the Spartan Hegemony). That way it could include events like the Persian Wars and the Peloponnesian War. (Heck, you could even do those as seperate, smaller campaigns, if you wanted to.) It would not cover nearly as large an area of the world, of course; but with a few dozen major city-states (Athens, Sparta, Argos, Thebes, Corinth, etc.), you certainly wouldn't lack for factions And there would also be plenty of real-life people from that time period who would make excellent generals and governors with colorful traits (Pericles, Alicbiades, Lysander, etc.).

Anyway, I don't know if I'll ever see that game in the Total War series, but it's a pleasant fantasy if nothing else. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ceasaryes.gif

[The Sword of Cao Cao]

dude, just og download Hellenic Total War. I dont get how you couldve missed the biggest mod going...

[dimitrios the samian]

.......MESOPOTAMIA TOTAL WAR ................. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif for starters .

[avarin]

War of the Sexes: Total War http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[amir]

Quote[/b] (SirGonkSevenT3 @ June 22 2004,14:26)]What about a Cradle of Civilization Total War? The theater could encompass Egypt to Persia and cover the dawn of civilization. Take on the role of the Babylonians or the emerging Israelites. Unite Upper and Lower Egypt before striking east.
I liked this one too

[jones21]

could someone provide a link??

[Nomad]

Quote[/b] (jones21 @ June 23 2004,11:13)]could someone provide a link??
Not sure where the original, info came from. If thats the link your after. I read about this on another thread. Not sure if this rumors been substantiated yet. But it can't hurt to make some alternative arrangements meantime.
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[Nomad]

I'm with Sword of Cao Cao's idea, a Far east TW, sometime between 11th-17th century. Although Craddle of civilisation could be very intersting. As could a Global Age of discovery Which if restricted to a few hundred years or less could be have alot of depth and colour. It Could start in 1450's with a rush to discover the wealth of the new world for the Europeans or to prepare to defend against the Men who wear the shells of turtles Or perhaps to establish trade with europe and get all those new fangled inventions. Keep the idea's coming in.
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[Highlander X]

American Total War \m/ or a Napoleonic Total War, either way it sounds ok to me.

[Oaty]

Luxemborg Totalwar, I WANT LUXWMBORG TOTALWAR

[KyodaiSteeleye]

aw man, now you're just getting SILLY.

It clear that what we really need is ANDORRA total war.

Factions would be natives, skiers, drunk english people and those pesky snowboarders.

P.S:- I reckon 17th Century european wars would be the way to go - huge amounts of conflict in this era between protestant and catholic factions, english civil war etc.. - would work better than later conflicts as you still have battles with a missile and melee element, but with some artillery - and they weren't as huge as later battles, so the TW maps and engine would be ok - and although the numbers of different units types would be less, you could have much more variety in what you could do with them in terms of pike rings, musket/pike formations, skirmish formations etc.. - so battle tactics would be more interesting.

[English assassin]

I know its been modded but IMHO Napoleonic TW would be the no brainer choice? Military technology didn't move on all that much between 1815 and the 1860s so an engine that could handle Napoleonic should handle American civil war as well if they want that for the American market.

What about a turn of the century Balkan total war? (Turn of the last century I should say, sadly.)Plenty of factions and the whole small countries being ground between huge empires thing would make for a different vibe from the other TW games. If you got too big the Russians or Austrians could come piling in from the edge of the map to cut you down to size and start WW1...

It might be a bit close to the modern day though.

[scooter_the_shooter]

Quote[/b] (Martok @ June 23 2004,01:09)][quote=SirGonkSevenT3,June 22 2004,12:26]Another thought...





One TW game that I'd love to see someday would be Greece: Total War. I was thinking that it would cover the period from around 600 B.C. (the beginnings of Athenian democracy) to around 371 B.C. (the end of the Spartan Hegemony). That way it could include events like the Persian Wars and the Peloponnesian War. (Heck, you could even do those as seperate, smaller campaigns, if you wanted to.) It would not cover nearly as large an area of the world, of course; but with a few dozen major city-states (Athens, Sparta, Argos, Thebes, Corinth, etc.), you certainly wouldn't lack for factions And there would also be plenty of real-life people from that time period who would make excellent generals and governors with colorful traits (Pericles, Alicbiades, Lysander, etc.).
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[Martok]

Quote[/b] (The Sword of Cao Cao @ June 23 2004,01:41)]dude, just og download Hellenic Total War. I dont get how you couldve missed the biggest mod going...
Well for one thing, I've never been very observant. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif For another, I must reluctantly admit that I'm almost computer illiterate, and have no idea how to download mods.

And finally, in any Greece/Hellenic Total War game, I'd want to be able to seige actual cities like you'll be able to in Rome. Taking down castles is fun, but that's far more in keeping with the western Medieval period, not Greece's Golden Age. Not being able to actually invade cities would greatly affect my ability to suspend disbelief; it would remind me that I'm only playing a game.

[Inuyasha12]

How about just the crusades, where you get to take jerusalem, or defend it From the barbarous foes