American Civil War Total War?

[The Sword of Cao Cao]

I have absolutely no idea where to stick this so I'll throw it right here, and if you yell at me I'll behead you on the spot samurai style http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shogunshame.gif

I heard at the.com that the next Total War, after Rome, will be .. I cant say it... the American Civil War. This is absolutely horrible and I pray it's just a rumour. It would seem if it is true, CA r EA whoever the hell makes these things, has decided to forsake the oldest iving civilisation on Earth, a nation of true warriors, andwhere warfare was so very advanced and epic, even for the ancient era. Fre sake for anyone who geusses who I'm reffering too...

[Duke John]

Topic moved. The Engineers Guild is for Mod Development only

Cheers, Duke John

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I pray its a joke because that will quite possibly suck http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[LordKarolinger]

Where did you hear that at or from? Says nothing on the main page or in the forums as far as I can tell.

[Duke Malcolm]

The American Civil war? That's too boring. China would probably be a better game, or the Orient in general. Africa could also be good.

[Rufus]

Limited appeal to TW's international audience is understandable. But it still could be cool. I haven't been able to find any good strategy games about the U.S. Civil War that capture the full sweep of the era (just games centered on particular battles or campaigns).

I'm not sure how they would handle "factions." Obviously the Union and Confederacy only make for two. Maybe you play a particular general, as opposed to Lincoln or Davis, and your goal is to become commander of the whole U.S. or CSA Army?

If CA wants to delve into this hemisphere's history, I think a better one would be New World: Total War, 1492-1830. Ideally it could cover the New World and Europe, since events in Europe influenced colonization, but that might be too much. You could have:

Era of Discovery, 1492-1588
Factions: Spain, Portugal, Aztecs, Incas, Mayans, Caribs/Arawaks, Iroquois, Cherokee, Lakota Sioux, Dakota Sioux, Oglala Sioux, Apache, Comanche, Hopi, Zuni, Seminole, Inuit.

Era of Conquest and Colonization (?): 1588-1750
Factions: same as above but drop Caribs/Arawaks and add England, France, Holland, Sweden, Russia.

Wars of Independence: 1750-1830
Factions: same as above but each colony can be played as a separate faction. The mother country, if not played, could play the "Pope" or "Senate" role until you decide to fight for independence.

Another issue is how to balance the vast technological disparity between the European and Indian factions. Maybe the Indians could produce buildings and troops at far less cost and could start with more of the map visible, and easier initial access to resources?

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Now a new world total war would be sweet http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Rufus]

Has anyone tried to do a New World TW mod? I have no technical skills, plus barely enough time to play MTW let alone make a mod, but could provide input/research if anyone tried to make one.

I tried to play American Conquest but couldn't get into it. Your only options were to play a scenario or a random map (no option to have an open-ended campaign on the real world map, as best as I could tell), plus I'm more of a fan of the hybrid TW format than strict RTS.

[The Sword of Cao Cao]

For GOd's sakes TW has had enough of Europe, or the west in general for now. We've got MTW, VI, RTW and whatever it's expansion will be. We covered Asia only once, and that was just one of the Asian warrior nations.

Oh and King Malcolm, your right. China is what I was referring too. It would be like Rome, faction wise, unt wise and history wise. Plus, we would have the option to branch into a new style of warfare. The Chinese ivented explosives. They were all into biological and not so primitive chemical warfare evwen in the Medieval times. Plus, all those, like me, who want a Shogun remake, would get it. The game should start from the China's founding, to say... The Manchu's take over China. Factions....

The Chinese
The Japanese
The Koreans
The Jurchens (from Manchuria)
The Nanman (Vietnamese)
The Mongols
The Huns
The Turks
The Indians
The Tibetans
The Siamese
The Burmese
The Khmer Empire

These are just a few major factions, from different era's. The unit diversity would be AWESOME. Just think of the potential All who are now dreaming of China: Total War say aye

Aye

[Rufus]

China sounds cool but would there be much of a market for it? I guess if Shogun did well, yes ... But to use your reasoning, New World would make sense - they did one Asia, two Europe, it's time for the western hemisphere And in this era, it wouldn't be just "the West" - my concept would include a bunch of Indian tribes as playable factions.

[thrashaholic]

How about a Colonial: total war, encompassing the entire globe. You play as one of the major nations (European or Asian) and try to conquer the entire globe

Time periods: end of Medieval: total war to potentially any time after (even now), 1800s would probably be best mind.

Tons of factions, tons of possible troops, tons of cultures, tons of technology development, tons of flavour, tons of possibility

Then you could play as who-ever you want: a European nation or China or India, or eventually a New-World nation It should appeal to everyone

[Nomad]

Quote[/b] (The Sword of Cao Cao @ June 22 2004,01:47)]The Chinese
The Japanese
The Koreans
The Jurchens (from Manchuria)
The Nanman (Vietnamese)
The Mongols
The Huns
The Turks
The Indians
The Tibetans
The Siamese
The Burmese
The Khmer Empire

All who are now dreaming of China: Total War say aye

Aye
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I'd hoped BKB's new mod was going to include a few more of those factions. But no problem. A far east Medieval and/or Age of discovery TW would be an excellent if not the best visual and tactical experience. Although a Renaissance TW would be visually cool. (They could pay Duke John to do the animations). But "Aye", a Far East TW, would be my favorite choice.
Its not like The ACW is an original idea for a game, or that two factions will provide the long term playability that the choices of STW, HTW, NTW or MTW provide. You would have thought they might have consulted Europa Barbarum or somebody who plays these games. I really doubt I'll buy this ACW:TW. (Unless it gets totally modded, new map, era etc) Maybe we should petition them by email. But first perhaps we should do a pole, base on proposals posted here or perhaps there need to be a new thread.

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[Duke John]

Topic moved to the Entrance Hall since it turned out to be about a new official game instead of mod-related.

Cheers, Duke John

[Akiyama]

I'm with Cao Cao The warring states period would awesome by itself Like playing the Romance of the Three Kingdoms

Just call me Kwan

Cheers

[mfberg]

If the American Civil war includes the War of 1812, Mexican-American war, the indian wars, and the Spanish American war it might be playable. But with trench warefare, rail and artillery and gattling guns I think it could be modded up to WWI. I hope that artillery fire from ships is included in the battlefield in some form.

mfberg

[Ar7]

Oh my god, who was the genius to come out with that idea http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif I seriously hope it is just a rumor....oh please be only a rumor.

I think that the history of the USA is just plain boring and nothing else, i mean Europe and the oriental are far more interesting.

I personally would like to see a MTW remake, a more accurate remake. There is still A LOT of room to expand, make more smaller provinces, more factions, more units, better diplomacy etc. Just one of the many errors, Livonia being an orthodox province http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif they were pagan until the 13th century, plus not only Livs lived there, but also Estonians and Latvians....actually the livs were the smallest of them, basicly there should have been 3 different provinces

What i am trying to say a MTW remake would be very popular, fun history and it will come out in about 4 years so people will get tired of RTW and wish for MTW again, atleast i will http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

About oriental TW, sounds fun, worse than medieval but a lot better than ACW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ceasarno.gif ....the only thing worse than ACW would be African TW sheeesh http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif

[Ard-Ri McCullaugh]

It's funny, me and a friend were joking about this only yesterday...
But anyway, my vote is for an Aboriginal TW, or an Eskimo TW.

[ah_dut]

Quote[/b] (The Sword of Cao Cao @ June 22 2004,02:47)]For GOd's sakes TW has had enough of Europe, or the west in general for now. We've got MTW, VI, RTW and whatever it's expansion will be. We covered Asia only once, and that was just one of the Asian warrior nations.

Oh and King Malcolm, your right. China is what I was referring too. It would be like Rome, faction wise, unt wise and history wise. Plus, we would have the option to branch into a new style of warfare. The Chinese ivented explosives. They were all into biological and not so primitive chemical warfare evwen in the Medieval times. Plus, all those, like me, who want a Shogun remake, would get it. The game should start from the China's founding, to say... The Manchu's take over China. Factions....

The Chinese
The Japanese
The Koreans
The Jurchens (from Manchuria)
The Nanman (Vietnamese)
The Mongols
The Huns
The Turks
The Indians
The Tibetans
The Siamese
The Burmese
The Khmer Empire

These are just a few major factions, from different era's. The unit diversity would be AWESOME. Just think of the potential All who are now dreaming of China: Total War say aye

Aye
add the Khwarzm-sheh and make the japanese realistic please though

[Doug-Thompson]

I don't care one way or the other, but it would sell a million copies. Americans are nuts about the U.S. Civil War.

[SirGonkSevenT3]

I'd love to see an Asia Total War. The series started talking about Sun Tsu. I say bring it back to that theater.

Though, as an American, I would like to see some type of western hemisphere game. It could run back to the 1500's up to 1900. And it would have to encompass Canada to the northern part of South America at the very least. All of North and South America would be preferable.

[Zortanius]

To expand on this notion of Asian Total War.

I really do think the medieval era throws in a lot.

You have the Central Asian Sphere - with the Khwarazmians, Turks, Sassanids, Danishmends, Mughals, Afghans and Georgians among others... perhaps even the Russians, Egyptians and Byzantines (their eastern extent anyway).

You have the South Asian Sphere with the multitude of Subcontinental factions - like the various Delhi Sultanates, the Rajputs, Hindusena and Deccan factions - which themselves overlap with the southeastasian ones - The Khmer, Siamese, Burmese and Vietnamese.

Then we have the oriental factions, The many chinese dynasties could be grouped under the northern and the southern, along with the Koreans, Japanese, Tibetans.

And above them all encompassing the entire Asian landmass we have the Mongols with their broad sweep and invincibility.

I can picture the cover of the game - a Mongol warrior on horseback drawing a composite bow. The horse archer was the basis of the asiatic battlefield much like the Armoured Knight in Europe.

The era could encompass 900 AD to about 1500 AD.

For Characters there are a plethora:

Genghiz Khan, Ogadai Khan, Kublai Khan, Timur Lang, Alp Arslan, Kilji Arslan, Saladin, Babur, Prithviraj Chauhan, Thurmankthok among others.

Sun Tzu, Confucius, et al.

There would be 4 major religions - Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Mongolian Naturism. Shinto, Tao, Confucius and Christianity could all be off shoots and make odd appearances perhaps under rebllious factions.

I can think of atleast 50 regions right now (Don't worry I'll spare you all the details) - Overland Trade would be central.

But you get my point - there is a lot to play with and fight for

And why stop there.... Africa could well be next.

Cheers

[Zortanius]

Actually, my bad...

Confucius and Sun Tzu preceded the era I wrote of..

Cheers

[Blodrast]

LOL, I'd give this discussion a different turn just to see DukeJohn having to move it to another forum yet again...
I sure don't envy you for your moderator job ;)

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sorry, guys, i just couldn't help it.

[mfberg]

Remember, it's not the game, it's the mods that people can make of it.

mfberg

[Accounting Troll]

Hopefully CA just wanted to find out what kind of reaction Total War: US Civil War would get without risking committing themselves to spending lots of money. Hopefully the reactions here will stop the project before it can begin.

Personally, I don't think such a game would have much in the way of replay value with only two proper factions, both of whom having identical weapons. It would also have limited appeal outside the US.

I do like the idea of a Total War based on the the Americas during the colonial era because the Native Americans and Europeans had very different cultures and fighting styles. One of my favourite strategy games is Sid Meyer's Colonization, and I would love to see a game combining the best elements of Colonization and Total War.

[Doug-Thompson]

You know, Shogun wasn't exactly a showcase of variety. It had more factions but they weren't all that different. It was also limited to one country.

As I said, I don't care where the next Total War is set. I'm a sucker for strategy, wherever it is. If it's a great strategy game, I'll get it. If it's a bad strategy game, i won't.

[Marquis of Roland]

Cao Cao of course is talking about making a Romance of the Three Kingdoms(RTK): total war game which would be totally awesome if they did. Ever since I started playing MTW I wanted them to make a RTK TW game; RTK is a game that is begging to use the TW engine.

Popularity may be a problem in the US or other non-asian countries, but if STW can make it, RTK can too. I need not say that in asia RTK is arguably the most popular subject to be made into a video game, from rpg to action to wargame.

Koei's RTK series has already come up with a comprehensive campaign style game similar to MTW's campaign game based on a 30-40 province map with rebel tribes on the frontiers. And of course the TW engine will provide for the familiar thousand-man armies on the field we've all come to love.

There's probably about 20 factions you can select in the early period ending up eventually with the 3 kingdoms in the late. Unit diversity will probably be a problem though, as all the factions will have more or less similar men. Possible special units could be marines for Wu kingdom, better cav for Wei, and well, Shu has all the best generals. (The Mans tribes will have elephants)

Period for this game would follow the book, from 180's A.D. to 260's A.D.

And if this is a ploy for CA to test the market, I hope they will take this suggestion and MAKE A ROMANCE OF THE THREE KINGDOMS GAME INSTEAD http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

P.S.
I wonder how many stars Zhuge Kung-ming will have? Sima Yi? Pang Tong? I better stop this can go on forever....

[Armchair Athlete]

An American Civil War - Total War would probably be truely awful. Wow, two factions which are at war with each other all the time. The depth of diplomacy would be astounding. Only Americans would buy it.

[metatron]

The United States of America
The Confederate States of America
The United Kingdom
France
Mexico
Spain
Indians - Indian Territory (at least 2)
Indians - South-West (at least 2)
Indians - Plains (at least 3)

The similarities in weapons would mean that, just like during the actual war, battles would be won based on the unit (region bonuses), tactics, strategy, and the overall commander.

Expansions: War for Independece, Plains Indians War.

[Doug-Thompson]

Quote[/b] (Armchair Athlete @ June 22 2004,19:26)]An American Civil War - Total War would probably be truely awful. Wow, two factions which are at war with each other all the time. The depth of diplomacy would be astounding. Only Americans would buy it.
Like the great depth of diplomacy in MTW, where you can't demand tribute, give a province in a treaty or subsidize an ally with florins, or march through an ally's territory?

Lighten up, everybody. At least if they did the American Civil War -- a project that is just a rumor at this point -- they wouldn't have druids and Egyptian Chariot warriors and bull warriors and other such nonsense. They could produce a reasonably historically accurate game. There'd be no excuse not to. The American Civil War has been researched beyond all rational limits.

If CA and it's corporate owners can produce a game that will sell a million copies in the U.S.A -- or China, or Japan, or Britain -- and none anywhere else, or another game that would sell 750,000 worldwide for the same development costs, they're going to make the million-seller.

[The Sword of Cao Cao]

Although ROTK should definately be in there, (I'm a fellow ROTK nut too Hi) I want the whole of Asia, focusing on China. Like Rome is going to be the whole of the Mid-East and Europe, but focussing on the Roman Empire.

My ideal game would be from the time of Qin Shi Haung to the overrun of China by the Manchus. But you would also have India and Japan. Also I personally think this would sell a helluva lot better, even in America, than some American thing. For example just one Chinese period has sold a whole lot of games in America. They've been so successful that... well I'll just list how many of these things theyve made, and thier all about the SAME CHINESE period.

Romance of the Three Kingdoms I
Romance of the Three Kingdoms II
Romance of the Three Kingdoms III
Romance of the Three Kingdoms IV
Romance of the Three Kingdoms V
Romance of the Three Kingdoms VI
Romance of the Three Kingdoms VII
Romance of the Three Kingdoms VIII
Romance of the Three Kingdoms IX

Thats just one of the serries this company has made. And these are all very good strategy games. They've been so successful, that they've managed to squeeze one era in 9 fantastic games, which are all for PS2. This same company has also managed to squeeze some other gmaes out of this one period in Chinese history.

Dynasty Warriors
Dynasty Warriors 2
Dynasty Warriors 3
Dynasty Warriors 3 Xtreme Legends
Dynasty Warriors 4
Dynasty Warriors 4 Xtreme Legends

then theres...

Dynasty Tactics
Dynasty Tactics 2
Kessen 2

They've sold that damn well. and this is just one amazing period in Chinese history. Once people heard about the game, they'd be on thier ear, and once they saw it in action, they'd be dying to have it like we are dying for Rome.

I want to start a movement m8's I want to get a petition together, get your guys signatures, and present it to CA. And with the Org helping, we might actually be able to influence the next TW After all, they mention the Org in the credits for STW: WE, therefore we might be able to penetrate thier dark hearts with this Who's with me? Who will help with my new movement?

China: Total War

[Xiahou Liao]

Hey, I think a Romance of the Three Kingdoms era would be great for a Total War game. Hell, I have all nine Romance of the Three Kingdom games, including part Five, which was only released in China. Infact, if they spanded the time periods from The fall of the Qin Empire ( Rise of the Han between Liu Bang(Han) and Xiang Yu(Chu) ), Then that'd make for greatness. You could have Chu, Han, The Qin Imperialist, and other smaller factions of the time period...[ I don't remember too many of their names, lol. ] Anyway, and jump up to the start of the end of the Han Empire, The Enuchs(SP?)and The Yellow Turban Rebellion of 184. Then go through the Coalition against Dong Zhuo, then the Chase of his successor, Li Jue to Chang An...and in the end have the whole game have the starting Campaign, Fall of the Qin, rise of the Han, and then have it go from 184 A.D. to the Official end of the Three Kingdoms period...which is around 279 I believe...I'm not sure, but hey for more information on the three kingdoms, why not read the Novel written by Luo Guanzhong himself?

check it out:
www.Threekingdoms.com

[Xiahou Liao]

Oh...I WILL :D LIU BEI OWNS YOU.

[Xiahou Liao]

Oh...I just checked the Jin Dynasty was officially declared in 280 A.D., though I do think Wei Vs. Wu in the end would get kind've boring...but not for RTK fans like me. :D

[Xiahou Liao]

Uhm, I hate to say this but...>>; It's Zhuge Liang/Kongming, not Zhuge kung-ming... - cough. - Yeah... anyway a good site for RTK is

www.kongming.net

You know, if I was smart enough to mod, I'd make an RTK mod for VI....but if anyone would want to...take up the idea...go right ahead...I can help...on some things...

I am a fast learner, so if someone wouldn't care, I could learn how to mod if they tutored me...

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Yeah..I know...I'm a loser...I play RTK all the time. :p infact...I'm playing nine right now.

[The Sword of Cao Cao]

Well, what I'm aiming for here, isnt JUST the Three Kingdoms era. You could of course start at that era, by selecting it from the start campaign screen, and f course you'll go into that era, some time during the main campaign, but limiting it to just the Three Kingdom era would be too short. Besides we'd be missing all the awesome technology the Chinese used from the Medieval period. Stuff like the fire lance, which was a flamethrower of sorts, to guided rocket kites, which was the ancient equivalent of a guided missile Or what Total Warrior, (hey, that sounds pretty tight for a TW nut) could resist, tunneling under a castle, and blowing the foundation to smithereens like the Ming did every now and then?

[Xiahou Liao]

Sorry if I'm flooding...it's just, right after I'm posting...yeah...'ehm, I think of ideas...

I think Zhuge Lian/Kongming should own at the game, infact, own so much, the enemy would fear him.

Rofl, j/k. He would of course have a lot of command and acumen, medium to low amount of dread....Wei's soldiers tended to fear his tactics...

However...Someone that would have MAX dread...Of course, the one and only...

LU BU Woo...He should have a lot of Valor too, like...a lot...C'mon, he took on Liu Bei, Guan Yu, and Zhang Fei all at once...

[Xiahou Liao]

Mmmkay...I get your point, but that would be awesome...Heh heh. BLOWING THINGS TO SMITHERINES http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif ...Ok...sorry I'm a little hyper right now, lol....

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-book2.gif I don't know much about the Ming Dynasty Though...or The Zhou...

[motorhead]

Does anyone even have a link to this supposed rumor of TW : US Civil War??? I checked over at .com (granted, their search engine blows) but there is absolutely nothing about this that I can find, and I'm sure it would be burning up the forums over there if even a whiff of this was around. There's this rumor that I heard from a friend's, brother's pet lizard about TW: Lord of the Rings

[Xiahou Liao]

Oh I know this is off the subject, but I don't think I can PM yet, so I just want The Sword of Cao Cao to know...I found a good song that's Chinese and would be a great Mobilization song.

[Marquis of Roland]

Cao Cao I am totally with you in trying to get something started to convince CA to make a RTK:TW game. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif (greetings fellow RTK fan we are far and few between in the US)

And Xiahou Liao, it is ok to say Zhuge kongming (or Chuko Kung-ming in the pre-pinyin spelling I read RTK book that used the old spelling) you don't have to say Zhuge Liang or just kong-ming or whatever.

If they did make a RTK:TW Zhuge Liang's command and acumen should be at maximum (wow his army would literally be invincible and Chengdu will be making bank like no other), his dread should also be at maximum (remember he scared off Sima Yi's whole army just by playing his lute outside the city gates), valor should be relatively lower because he really doesn't fight himself (regardless of what those silly dynasty warrior games made u think; you just can't hurt people by hitting them with ur fan).

Lu Bu: definitely max valor and dread but zero command and acumen.
Can you guess Zhang Fei's vice and virtue? DRUNK BASTARD lol http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/barrel.gif

I agree that should they make another TW game regardless of what region or period they base it on, they do need to make castle assaults a little more sophisticated than the mostly automated processes they have in MTW. Sapping the walls would definitely prove interesting... and how about manning the walls with actual troops instead of having just the towers shoot? They also need to add other siege equipment such as battering rams, ladders (I think they have this in RTW), and FIRE is definitely something that will be used in a RTK:TW game. I mean, how many times was fire used tactically in the book? Every other battle or so?

Making a continuous campaign that covers from the rise of Qin to the fall of Han might be kinda hard though, because whats a player gonna do during the long periods of peace of the Han dynasty? It would be cool tho to do historical campaigns of Liu Bang and Xiang Yu....

Some ideas for units for a RTK:TW game:
Multi-shot crossbowmen - Shu (made by Kong-ming)
Elephant cav - rebels (lol rebels with elephants)
Rattan armored swordsmen - rebels (vulnerable to fire)
Qiang light Cavalry - rebel faction (maybe merc status?)
Yangtze marines - Wu
Imperial guards - should be equivalent to royal knights
Cavalry from north provinces should get +valor; Cao Cao when facing Yuan Shao remarked what great soldiers the northmen were.

There would definitely be a lot more than 3 formations (for anyone who has played kessen 2, you know what I'm talking about). I want to see the famous pa-kua (or ba-gua) formation in action

Sorry I am rambling....work can be so damn boring.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-zzz.gif

[metatron]

The ideas for new games are interesting, but the opposition to a American Civil War: Total War seems rooted in ignorance or bias. I wonder... how many of you are fans of NTW?

[amir]

this topic is pretty useless, i don't think that several forummers could change the great plans of total war company even if their idea sucks and the ones suggested here are better

[Magraev]

Quote[/b] (metatron @ June 23 2004,03:37)]The ideas for new games are interesting, but the opposition to a American Civil War: Total War seems rooted in ignorance or bias. I wonder... how many of you are fans of NTW?
Personally I have absolutely no oppinion about NTW...
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The major problem with the civil war is the number of factions. The replay value will probably be limited unless they think up new ways to get it.

Every time i take another go of MTW (not NTW) I continue until I've played a campaign with every faction - hard to replicate in the civil war. I also like the diversity of units - also hard to replicate.

That said I'll probably consider buying it anyway... I just luuuuv TW
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[Highlander X]

i think some of the non north americans are just jealous, really.

an American Total War sounds totally reasonable. either that or a Napoleonic Total War.

[Magraev]

Quote[/b] (Highlander X @ June 23 2004,05:41)]i think some of the non north americans are just jealous, really.

an American Total War sounds totally reasonable. either that or a Napoleonic Total War.
You seem confused Highlander (I would use a stronger word, but I don't want to offend). maybe too much http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/barrel.gif ?

Were the americans jealous of the first two installments for NOT taking place in america? If so they hide it very well. The fact is that - like it or not - there is just so many historical scenarios to choose from that seem more suitable for TW. That being said the american market is huge, so if they want civil war they're likely to get it (and I'll probably buy it too - won't be the first cv-game I've owned).

[Highlander X]

Quote[/b] (Magraev @ June 23 2004,06:00)]Were the americans jealous of the first two installments for NOT taking place in america?
ofcourse not. by just reading through posts, in an international forum like this, you see a bias against anything favouring american themes. atleast i do.

if CA chose a shogun total war, then i don't see any reason to have an american total war. that's all.

[barocca]

Quote[/b] (Highlander X @ June 23 2004,05:41)]i think some of the non north americans are just jealous, really.

an American Total War sounds totally reasonable. either that or a Napoleonic Total War.
Napoleonic Total War?

i seem to recall we have that one nailed already,
Napoleonic Total War (http://www.thelordz.co.uk/)

[Ser Clegane]

CA will probably wait to see how Imperial Glory turns out and how it will be received by the market until they decide on a NTW.

Imperial Glory on Gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/imperialglory/preview_6096509.html)

[Ar7]

Quote[/b] (Highlander X @ June 23 2004,06:13)]
Quote[/b] (Magraev @ June 23 2004,06:00)]Were the americans jealous of the first two installments for NOT taking place in america?
ofcourse not. by just reading through posts, in an international forum like this, you see a bias against anything favouring american themes. atleast i do.

if CA chose a shogun total war, then i don't see any reason to have an american total war. that's all.


The reason is that the other historical backrounds are far more interesting than the American Civil War http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Doug-Thompson]

Quote[/b] (motorhead @ June 23 2004,01:39)]Does anyone even have a link to this supposed rumor of TW : US Civil War??? I checked over at .com (granted, their search engine blows) but there is absolutely nothing about this that I can find, and I'm sure it would be burning up the forums over there if even a whiff of this was around. There's this rumor that I heard from a friend's, brother's pet lizard about TW: Lord of the Rings
Bingo. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Xiahou Liao]

Woo Chukonu crossbowmen or something...I don't remember the exact name for the auto-crossbowmen, lol.

He he, Gongsun Zan's White Riders were incorperated into Yuan Shao's army after Gongsun Zan fell.

He should have a little valor like you said. He was known to ride out infront of his army without battle armor. But when the fighting would start he pulled back and let his men do the work. He took this from the teachings of Sun Tzu....I don't remember exactly the words but it was something about...treating your men as equally as you would your brothers, but don't love them too much, or you won't be able to bare putting them danger.

Yeah I know I screwed that one up bad, but hey, it's what I got out of one of his quotes. Oh, and hey, if a RTK:TW was made or something involving it, Shu's armies should be increased in price over the other kingdoms and stuff, why? Because simply put: Shu had lack of population compared to Wu and Wei, and to simulate the lack of population? Increase cost of soldiers. :D No?

[Rufus]

With several European and native factions, New World: Total War would be at least as replayable as a RTK one.

[SirGonkSevenT3]

I agree with both sides regarding an American Civil War TW. Not much replay value with only two factions. It would be more interesting to expand the time frame. Don't just concentrate on the Civil War time frame. Have an early period going back to the early days of colonization. You would have the French, English and Spanish mostly, maybe Russia as well (I don't really know when they claimed Alaska). Plus all of the possible native American factions.

I don't think CA would limit themselves to such a narrow time frame as the Civil War.

[scooter_the_shooter]

have the civil war time period just have europe and asia with it.

[The Sword of Cao Cao]

Ok, people lemme get this straight. I'm not aiming for ONLY Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Though, I'm a great fan of ROTK, I also harbour a big interest in the other eras of China, and especially the rest of Asia. Like India, Korea and Japan.

However since I think ROTK, definately deserves it's own MOD, and since Rome is said to be a helluva lot easier to mod, AND since Rome is only 4 months away (still too LONG), I've started to gather up as many ROTK images, and articles, and I'm planning on ordering the book set, I've decided to start work on a ROTK mod, for Rome once it gets here. See, ROTK would be a helluva lot easier as a mod, than China. Therefore we get ROTK mod, and if we can get this movement going, we could get China.

As for the person who said, that this isj ust non-Amercians jealous, or some crazy bs like hat, I'd justl ike to mount my soapbox here...

I've been all over the country to many Civil War sites, museums and seen plenty of movies on it. I have several books on the Civil War, (though not as much on Japan, :p)
and I have several ancestors who fought in te Civil War, one of which lost his left leg to the surgeons tent at Antietam (OUCH). I have always been into the Civil War, and have the greatest respect for it, but even I know that it's not a war for a TW game. While the oldest living civilisation on Earth, certainly is.

[Xiahou Liao]

I wholeheartedly agree....or maybe they forgot the fact that Britian almost got involved in the war for the confederates? lol

[Rufus]

Just found Take Command: 1861, a game under development at www.madminutegames.com. From the screenshots it looks somewhat TW-like in the battle screens. Could be a cool game.

I still think the colonization of the New World is the best area for the next TW. TONS of different faction possibilities (mother countries, colonies and native tribes) and terrains, new issues to handle, naval combat, distinct sub-eras ...

Again ancient China sounds cool but New World could appeal to both American and European markets. New World also will probably sell better. Yes, Shogun did well, but CA's sales expectations are probably much higher now.

[The Sword of Cao Cao]

Yeah, and you sell CTW, in China, Japan, Korea and the other parts of Asia, and it will sell by the billions. It will also probably sell very well in America too. Hell I know a 40 year old man whos into nothing but WW2 and Civil War, we were talking about ancient warfare awhile ago, and when I mentioned stuff like fire lances and that knida thing to him, he went nuts. Talked for a straight 2 hours on Ming technolog. Guy also like video games, and said if they made a game for that, he'd buty it instantly. Who here can deny the awesomeness of ancient Chinese military technology?

[amir]

I believe someone need to write all of the suggestions that were here and create a poll, put him open for a month or two, gather the results and send them for CA suggesting about the next game

[Rufus]

Quote[/b] ]I believe someone need to write all of the suggestions that were here and create a poll, put him open for a month or two, gather the results and send them for CA suggesting about the next game

OK - I'll do that

[amir]

great that way well actualy have a chance to prevent this horrid civil war :)

[Xiahou Liao]

Schools( colleges including ) all around the world:










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NO CW:TW

[Marquis of Roland]

If you put China and Europe into a American civil war game Americans will be raped by european armies, and Asian countries will be raped by all. Think about it: American civil war unit's morale is all probably zero compared to 4-6 for euro armies (esp. germany all their troops should be disciplined even the landwehr divisions). Asian countries would be stuck with no gunpowder units while everyone else has rifled muskets or repeating rifles??? NOT FAIR. and not fair = not fun.

[Steppe Merc]

The American Civil war is quite cool, but I have little patience for guns. Common, give us a redone MTW, then STW before you ruin the franchise even more

[Despot of the English]

I'd like to see an upgraded Shogun Total War (as well as an upgraded MTW). At the moment it won't run on my PC (Windows XP) but I really like the idea of feudal Japanese armies and of course samurai and ninja.

[Count Alfred von Schlieffen]

If I'd make a China Total war, I would choose the period from the fall of the Western Han Dynasty to the rise of the Sui. And not just include the Chinese factions, but also the Three Korean Kingdoms, Koguryo, Paekche and Silla. Perhaps the early Japanese as well, as there was some small scale Japanese military activity on the Korean peninsula. You know, the armies of Empress Jingu invade Korea, and then China

But of course, If I'd go and make a Total war game at all, It would, of course, be 'Gardener Total war' with the expansion set 'GTW The Alan Titchmarsh Invasion.' http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/barrel.gif

[Tama]

Quote[/b] (Marquis of Roland @ June 23 2004,02:04)]Some ideas for units for a RTK:TW game:
Multi-shot crossbowmen - Shu (made by Kong-ming)
Elephant cav - rebels (lol rebels with elephants)
Rattan armored swordsmen - rebels (vulnerable to fire)
Qiang light Cavalry - rebel faction (maybe merc status?)
Yangtze marines - Wu
Imperial guards - should be equivalent to royal knights
Cavalry from north provinces should get +valor; Cao Cao when facing Yuan Shao remarked what great soldiers the northmen were.
Any chance you would have any unit ideas that would be workable for a RTK MTW mod if it existed? Using the current unit graphics(no elephants or chariots please http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ).

I've been working on one off and on for awhile but lack of unit art, the way MTW handles rulers, no access to STW graphics, has been putting me off time and again to finish it. Pretty much only have portraits and a working full campaign map and faction flags.

I also think RTW would be better for a RTK mod since RTK focused heavily on the generals not the grunts. It would infact be perfect. Imagine having and actually seeing Lu Bu lead a unit vs Guan Yu. Sadly this is impossible under MTW.

[Spartiate]

Like the idea of the American civil war game.I imagine it would be somewhat similar to the Napoleonic mod for Medieval.Also someone mentioned the African idea.Would love to play the rise of the Zulu or Matabele nations but unfortunately they only had one type of troop the warriors of the Impala or Impede who used large sheilds and short stabbing spears and the classic horns of the bull tactic.