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Oishi
06-21-2002, 06:43
It was 1558. Thanks to my geishas, all the other clans had been reduced to ronin, with I the only Daimyo left. I only had three or four provinces left to conquer.

Then suddenly, in the course of TWO turns, all but 3 of my home provinces revolted -- and those only because I had freshly-produced troops stationed in the castles.

I'm trying to figur out why this happened.

No, I didn't accept any alliance with the Dutch or Portuguese or accept Christianity. And taxes throughout the realm had been on "very low" since the beginning of the game. I can't remember if there was a recent bad harvest.

I can't figure it out! No, I didn't have troops garrisoned in the revolting provinces.

Difficulty was "hard."

It couldn't have been the work of enemy shinobis, since not only were there no other clans left, but I had the .matteosartori. cheat on and could see that the provinces were otherwise empty.

I have three theories as to why this happened:

1. The AI sensed that you had killed the other clans (the kingdom-wide revolt was, I think, on the turn right after the last Daimyo -- Hojo -- was assasinated) and decided you needed something to retain interest in the game.

2. The previous turn I had conquered a province with a Dutch or Portuguese trading post, and taking over this province means that I now have that alliance; i.e. that I am now Christian. But when I saved the game after the revolt, it still said I was "atheist." And I had been building several buddhist temples!

3. I had been practicing "slash and burn" across Japan (i.e. destroying all buildings in the provinces taken from me, so that I can get some cash in addition to making things harder for anybody who re-took the province from me. Naturally this Gen. Sherman approach would have pissed off a REAL human population, but I doubt it pisses off the AI population of Shogun.

I'm playing Warlord Ed. v1.02.

Somebody please explain!

Mithrandir
06-21-2002, 14:41
Maybe you just conquered the lands and the people are still loyal to Hojo/others and the rest of japan was unhappy for thei Daymo was on the other side of Japan (this matters a lot) and when one revolt takes place it tends to spread like a disease...

I always press Shift every turn to see if everyone is happy...
it'll light up your territories :

Green :No problems everyone is happy (i think 130%+ content people

Yellow :100-129%, get some troops or shinobi in for a turn or two..

Red : Get troops in asap! it'll revolt.

hope this helped...

-Mithrandir.

pdoan8
06-22-2002, 07:07
It is good idea to have a few shinobies (2-3 are good enough) in the newly captured province.
a) Shinobies help raising royalty.
b) Eliminate enemy spy still in the province (they were there before you capture the province).

Garrison troops: the more troops you have in the province, the higher royalty your people will be.

Tax rate: at normal tax rate or higher, you will need to have garrison troops in each of your province . Tax rate at below normal, you may only need shinobies garrisoning the province, but a little troop will ensure the royalty of your people.

Ronin can still have geisha/ninja/shinobi. Ronin can not produce spy but spy units that are produced before the clan is eliminate are still active.

Mithrandir
06-22-2002, 10:15
lol..Royalty ?
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Alastair
06-22-2002, 10:19
Did your daimyo die and get replaced by an a heir that turn? Because I've heard of widespread revolt in the event of succession.

Wavesword
06-22-2002, 23:39
Possibly the webels had inherited a large quantity of shinobi and employed them. But frankluy you now have a really interesting game in place of a finished one- rejoice!

pdoan8
06-25-2002, 10:15
Quote Originally posted by Mithrandir:
lol..Royalty ?
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Royalty and Loyalty

If you didn't point out, I don't even notice what was wrong.

Khan7
06-25-2002, 11:12
Yeah.. loyalty doesn't actually drop in event of succession, but THAT turn there may or may not be several large revolts throughout your provinces.

Another interesting tidbit is if your Daimyo is in a province and gets cut off so that there is no route, land or sea, to the rest of your domain, the rest of your domain will go into massive cardiac arrest (rock-bottom loyalty, MASSIVE revolts).

Matt

Papewaio
06-25-2002, 11:49
So if the provinces near your Daimyo successfully revolt and he has no port. The rest of your provinces are cut off and go into mass revolt.

Khan7
06-25-2002, 12:51
Theoretically yes. The way it happened to me was getting cut off by an enemy attack.