Poll: The next Total War [Archive]

econ21

06-24-2004, 01:25

I haven't heard the Civil War idea - at first glance, it sounds bizarre because surely it would be a pure wargame with none of the multiple factions, diplomacy etc that makes TW something beyond a straight wargame.

I was also surprised about the popularity of a new world game - there is a pretty good old one out (Imperialism II) although it is more like a Civilisation game and does not have real time battles. Still, it's an extremely well made and challenging game.

I voted Napoleonic, but I suspect CA would be best doing something closer to their current periods - Hellenic or maybe Renaissance or something a little later (musket and pike period). China would be fun too.

GhengisPawn

06-24-2004, 01:26

I don't see why they don't do a Napoleonic:Total War and than throw in the Civil War as the expansion. Napoleonic:Total War Confederate Invasion, anyone?

Rufus

06-24-2004, 01:34

Quote[/b] ]Napoleonic:Total War Confederate Invasion, anyone?

LOL

Sounds like an alternative history game where Napoleon won and then came into the Civil War on the side of the South ... Or where the South won and then invaded Napoleon's France

Imagine the French villagers hearing the rebel yell echo in the distance ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

Marquis of Roland

06-24-2004, 01:46

Yes I agree making NTW after RTW and making civil war as expansion, where it will be a separate campaign with its own map like VI. Alternate history may be taking it a bit too far...

However, they should put North America at least up to the Mississippi along with the caribbeans and spanish holdings in central and south america on the NTW map as colonial territory. Remember these places were making Europe rich. Lots of trade goods for game? (On NTW campaign map United States can be rebels or unplayable minor faction?)

Oh yea, don't forget North Africa needs to be on map too.

Xiphias

06-24-2004, 02:43

Well the strategy map would be good for Foundation:Total war and the real time map would be good for Pirates: total war (assuming we get a naval battle engine).

What think would be good is a fantasy one. Kind of like Lord of the Rings with huge beasts and magic but a different setting since middle earth doesn't have enough powerful factions.

Perhapes something based on one of the AD&D worlds such as planescape, or maybe a discworld one where you can play Ankh-morpork, Klatch, the counterweight continent, XXXX or one of the smaller kingdoms?

soibean

06-24-2004, 03:32

just about all of those sound good
but it would be nice to throw in a naval battle engine like Xiphias said
I think that New World sounds great, which is what I voted for, something more current with newer technology but it would also have alot of variety

nizar

06-24-2004, 03:45

World Total War which supports mods by fans.

The Sword of Cao Cao

06-24-2004, 05:33

China, HOWEVER I was aiming from the Qin Dynasty to the Manchu invasion.

Xiahou Liao

06-24-2004, 05:50

Look...China: Total War has a lot more factions available than a New World: Total War. C'mon, I can name them all off if you want here is some, just in the first years of RTK

Qiao Mao
Cao Cao
Dong Zhuo
Yuan Shao
Yuan Shu
Gongzun Zan
Tao Qian
Liu Bei
Li Jue
Liu Yan
Liao Biao
Han Fu
Liu Yong
Yan Baiyahu(SP?}
Ma Teng
Sun Jian
Kong Zhou
Kong Rong
Wuwan
Qiang
Xiongnu
Nanman*
Shanyue

metatron

06-24-2004, 05:55

The United States of America
The Confederate States of America
The United Kingdom
France
Mexico
Spain
Indians - Indian Territory (at least 2)
Indians - South-West (at least 2)
Indians - Plains (at least 3)

The similarities in weapons would mean that, just like during the actual war, battles would be won based on the unit (region bonuses), tactics, strategy, and the overall commander.

Expansions: War for Independece, Plains Indians War.

It could work

Marquis of Roland

06-24-2004, 05:56

Qin Dynasty to the Manchu period is quite a long era to cover, Cao Cao But as military technology is still largely based on melee weapons still instead of guns and such (but rockets will be available), the game tactics-wise should be able to transcend the the 2000 year era you want to do.

Definitely put other factions such as the steppe tribes, Korea, Japan, the eastern muslim states (Khwaresm), India, and southeast asian factions (Thai?). If this is the main game, ROTK should definitely be a expansion pack with independent campaign with is own map like VI.

The Sword of Cao Cao

06-24-2004, 06:36

Right, and thats just for ROTK era. Here is another faction list from a more Medieval era...

The Yuan Empire
The Japanese
The Koreans
The Jurchens
The Khmer Empire
The Indians
The Mongols
The Burmese
The Siamese
The Nanman
The Tibetans

Those are just a few major factions, that popped outta my head just now.. Now I know your all thinking, this will just be the same stuff Cao Cao, different region thats all But Asian warfare, was very diverse and very interesting indeed This game will cover such a grand edition in the history of human warfare, that TW, being the best RTS series out there, has missed... It will also be able to extensively cover, not just China, but 2 other amazing warrior nations as well...

India - All one has to do is read Rajput's excellent post on Indian history, (as I believe most of us have) and they'll know just as well as I do, that India definately deserves extensive coverage. This game will allow that.

*dreams of ordering a massed elephant charge into the midst of a Qin amry*

Japan - Japan is Japan. The greatest nation of warriors in my own opinion. Japan would recieve the Shogun remake treatment, that so many, including I, lust for.

Now heres a brief look at the unit diversity once could expect from this game...

China - You would see such ingenius devices like the fire lance, which was the Ancient equivalent of a flamethrower. You would be able to tunnel under huge castles during a siege, and blow the foundation to bits, or bombard it with rocket kites, which were the ancient equivalent of guided missiles. Or blasting a unit into oblivion with a hw'cha. A Korean weapon which consisted of dozens of rockets attached to a cart, and then sent raging downhill at the enemy. This just one example, of the many awesome ways war was made in China.

Japan - Think Shogun, but much better. Japan would be Japan. A show off faction. Not exactly one with a very different way of fighting than we've already seen, but still a very fun faction to play. A blend of the classic samurai way of war, along with the help of miltary marvels from China.

The Jurchens and Mongols - Steppe barbarians at thier finest..

India - Elephants Fire breathers Camels Chariots These are just a few things that you'll see with India. A nation many want as a TW itself.

Those are just a few examples. I cant grace you people with a wonderfully long post explaing everything about how different nad fun this would be, since I'm extremely tired at the moment. But I think you see the impending awesomeness..

Gith

06-24-2004, 06:47

I've got an idea. Lets combine them...ALL.

Uber: Total War

Gregoshi

06-24-2004, 06:54

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif Uber idea Gith.

The Lord of the Mods

One mod to rule them all.
One mod to find them.
One mod to bring them all
And in the darkness combine them
In the land of Org where the modders try.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

The Sword of Cao Cao

06-24-2004, 06:54

No offense.

No more of these stupid ideas. No more penguin total war or hillbilly total war I and the New World nuts are trying to get real results here. I please ask that any future posters stick to the serious stuff.

Xiahou Liao

06-24-2004, 06:59

Hillbilly Total War...
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

It would be funny though...Instead of marrying your heirs willingly, shotgun weddings...

...heh heh...

But anyway, if you guys think about it...

New World just..wouldn't be Total War..

It'd take away from it..

STW...Has mainly Melee...supporting Arquebusiers/Muskets

MTW...Mainly melee...support Arquebusiers/Artillery

RTW...Melee.......

then out of no where...

CW:TW?

NW:TW? most of it would consist of muskets, with support melee, bleh, taking away most of the strategy essence...sorry, it would suck.

soibean

06-24-2004, 08:36

Quote[/b] (Xiahou Liao @ June 24 2004,00:59)]Hillbilly Total War...
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

It would be funny though...Instead of marrying your heirs willingly, shotgun weddings...

...heh heh...

But anyway, if you guys think about it...

New World just..wouldn't be Total War..

It'd take away from it..

STW...Has mainly Melee...supporting Arquebusiers/Muskets

MTW...Mainly melee...support Arquebusiers/Artillery

RTW...Melee.......

then out of no where...

CW:TW?

NW:TW? most of it would consist of muskets, with support melee, bleh, taking away most of the strategy essence...sorry, it would suck.
well New world total war wouldnt be all range weaponry...

you could have one time period being just native american combat and an introduction to the spanish - different techs per native american civ, alot of different units, spanish add the range with the guns but also can fight with melee weapons and have an advantage because of their armor... but atleast the player would know that their not gods ( I hope ) and not welcome them into their cities.

then have a period.... oh say when the french and british and all the other european powers were just trying to take over and yet to have any reaal hold on the americas - native americans still putting up quite a fight and the immigrants and foreigners dont have a huge advantage yet

the final period could be along the period of US freedom from britain which give more fire power but there would still be melee due to the ridiculous long reload times (Im taking that from viewing The Patriot which I thought was a good movie) - so the foreigners/colonist/immigrants whatever you wanna call them have a bigger advantage over the native americans at this point but some how the native americans still even the odds... maybe more men per unit or something I dont know

all in all you'd have alot of melee fighting especiall from the indians (I think). the range weaponry could be compared to the use of horse archers and handgunners in MTW only a little quicker on the reload and accuracy and whatnot

thats just my idea for a New World TW... but maybe a time period sooner than what I stated would work better

I see what you mean by taking away strategy by all the gun play which is why I dont play alot of these WWI/WWII/to current age strategy games because I dont think there's much strategy too it although the snipers are fun to play with... but if this is altered to have more melee combat I think it could work

and if not you could always do what AOE did and bust out a mythological game... just imagine it Mythology total war http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

Cazbol

06-24-2004, 08:49

I'm really hoping the next Total War game will have a Roman theme. I guess I'm in luck. I therefore voted Gah.

Seven.the.Hun

06-24-2004, 08:52

shogun 2 warlord...
medieval 2 viking...
SOUP UP the predecessors...
and of course...the HUNS the GOTHS the MONGOLS

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amir

06-24-2004, 09:21

c'mon EVERYONE must post or we got no chance to change CA opinion and they will make the civil war,
so start voting, I'm doubted if they will change their plans because that 20 people wanted, but if ALL of the forummers will vote well might actually have a chance, so VOTE, VOTE, and tell your friends to vote.

Magraev

06-24-2004, 11:21

I voted for LOTR:TW, but many would be nice (new world, china, hellenistic, etc.).

scooter_the_shooter

06-24-2004, 11:56

i want any of these in no patucualr order

civil war total war (but after that you would have to deal with them pesky native americans. and i am not prejuduce i have a small bit of native american in me. you could have europe on the map to.)

helleinc

mesopotamia

the period depidted in the last samurai

lotr (aint happening http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif )

and all starting in the bronze age aand ending some time before ww1 with a map of the world. but when you choose a period you can only play in that period http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif .

king steven

06-24-2004, 13:53

wot about the war of independence (US Vs UK)& others

scooter_the_shooter

06-24-2004, 14:20

yeha that would be cool we americans could win again http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

amir

06-24-2004, 14:31

an afrika: total war would be cool
fight with various tribes to the control over afrika
andyou could put instead of the mongol horde portugal or spain etc.

barocca

06-24-2004, 15:30

Lancastrian Total War,
with the Legendary cloth capped warriors skilled in the art of Ecky Thump

Ecky Thump Warriors - highly trained these expert warriors make deadly use of Lancastrian Black Pudding
(a lancastrian delicacy which looks like a policeman's night stick but tastes fine so long as you never, ever, make the terrible mistake of finding out what goes into it)
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-bobby2.gif
B.

Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe

06-24-2004, 15:34

Smurf Village total war... With the Azrael invasion expansion pack.

Louis,

Ulair

06-24-2004, 16:40

I'm with Gith and Gregoshi - World: Total War, 2000BC to 2000AD

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

In my dreams... I voted LoTR http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Rufus

06-24-2004, 17:11

For whoever said China would have more factions than New World, I highly doubt that. Do you realize how many Indian tribes there are/were, from Alaska to the Tierra del Fuego? (Plus if you went all the way up to Alaska, Russia would be a playable faction). And the colonies could be separate factions from their mother countries so they could eventually declare independence.

It may be that China: TW might include greater variety in weapons technology, but if real-time naval combat were included in NW:TW (as I think it would have to be), that would be even better than the fire weapons, etc. of China.

Naval warfare would add a whole new dimension to the game. Various ship types, guns, shot, crew ... You could be anyone from Walter Raleigh to Henry Morgan to John Paul Jones ... I'm sure CA could do at least as well with sea combat as any other game out there (although the Pirates remake is coming out ....)

And speaking of pirates, this might be going too far, but I could see pirate factions being fun if they didn't go too Johnny Depp with it. (Arrrrggh matey) The pirates could be like the Vikings or the Mongols - intended to pillage and plunder and nothing else (I know some people at the org would hate the idea but you have to admit privateers, buccaneers and regular pirates were a key factor in the political and security situation of the Caribbean. They in fact helped prevent the Spanish from overrunning the other colonies.)

Admittedly the New World game would have to reopen the old historical accuracy/gameplay debate, as it would have to balance the Indian factions with the historically overwhelming European forces. But the same's been true for the TW games so far ... One possibility could be to make the Indians more versatile than the Europeans, which isn't far off the mark historically in some cases.

The Sword of Cao Cao

06-24-2004, 17:42

And what are these Indian tribes gunna do m8? These are not a cvilisation of conquerors. They were a very backward people who didnt even have cavalry, although admittedly not thier fault, until the 1600's. So what are we gunna do with our Indians til the Conquistadors come, and chew us up into little pieces? Run around with our spears, tomahawks, bows and arrows, and using bands of about 40 or 60 men per battle. That sounds stupid as hell, IMO.

You say China want have good naval battles? Asia had AWESOME naval battles. Have you ever heard of Admiral Yi's famous turtle ships which were big ships, covered in armour, with swords protruding out so no one could get aboard. Armed with cannons and a ramming dragon head. They were used to repel the Japanese invasion of Korea in the 16th century. And of course, in the 3 Kingdoms era, there was the battle of Chi Bi. A huge naval battle, combined wth a land battle, rockets were used. Fire lances mounted on the end of the ships shaped as dragon heads wee used according to some sources. Ando f course archery and boarding. IMO, such huge naval battles, with both ranged attacks, and hand to hand would be fun as hell.

Rufus

06-24-2004, 17:58

Quote[/b] ]And what are these Indian tribes gunna do m8?

Oh the Indians were no pushovers. They weren't fully conquered until the late 19th century. Ever heard of Custer's last stand?

They were, in many cases, pretty good about co-opting European weapons and technology, including guns and horses.

And if you call them backward, you might not have heard about the Mayans' advances in math and astronomy (admittedly, not combat-related, but just saying backward isn't accurate).

One other thing is the vast terrain diversity - from jungle to desert to swamp to Rockies to tundra. Yes, I know China has a lot of different terrain too.

I'm not saying China would be a bad game. I think either one has great potential. This really just comes down to personal preference on which era/civilization you're more interested in. If more people are interested in China than the Americas, so be it. This poll is a way to see.

I doubt this has much if any impact on CA anyway. Plus game designers hate to consider game proposals from the outside because they're afraid of getting sued. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif So we shouldn't get too detailed with our ideas because CA will definitely shy away from them then

Rufus

06-24-2004, 18:01

One other thing that maybe Org veterans could clarify - when MTW had just come out, were there ideas or rumors batted around about the next TW? Or was it clear all along the next one would be Rome?

amir

06-24-2004, 18:06

yeah, maybe even CA are not planning to make a next total war at all http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Xiahou Liao

06-24-2004, 18:35

and...in the battle of Chi Bi, Cao Cao's naval forces were set aflame because He ordered his ships to chain-link. MWUAHAHAHAHAHA

DIE CAO CAO
LIU BEI'S BETTER.

This is fun...o.o
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amir

06-24-2004, 18:39

yeah...
in the next (if will be) they must put seafight as well its really boring to let the enemy fight the seabattle

Darth Binky

06-24-2004, 20:44

I've been mulling on this one for a few days now.

I voted for the Mesopotamia antiquity one. I think Sumeria, Babylon, Assyria, Hittites, Egyptians, all them ancient peeps could work out well. And it would require different style of fighting again, like how we'll have to adapt a bit to the Romans. Bring on the chariots

China doesn't interest me in the slightest. I'm sorry, it just doesn't, and never has.

As much as I'd like to see a LOTR/Silmarillion version fleshed out (yes, I'm aware of the mods being made), I doubt it'd ever happen due to copyright/trademark type of issues. The LOTR franchise is already tied to other game makers- and there is a LOTR RTS coming out (if it isn't already out). I played a demo of it, and it was very similar to Warcraft 3. Anyway... I realize this is a 'wish list' sort of thing, but that's just one of those wishes that probably won't ever come true.

Hellenic and Napoleonic I might be interested in. Hellenic moreso; that'd probably be my 2nd choice after Mesopotamia.

I also think a late Roman game might work. Like maybe from Milvian Bridge or Adrianople until... umm... I dunno, Tours? Hastings? Hastings seems a bit too far. But that whole Dark Age thing, with the Volkerwanderung, the fall of Rome and all.

I'm not too keen on modern games, American Civil War and on. There's plenty of those already out there, and I'm not so sure how the whole Total War thing would work with guns and such. I prefer the in-your-face nitty gritty of hand to hand.

Of course, a remake of M:TW would be nice too...:thinking:

A New World one might be interesting, but seems like it might also be a little too large in scope.

Just my unorganized €.02
DB

amir

06-24-2004, 20:48

there are 6771 users and only an about 30 actually vote,
start voting people do you want to change their plans or not

Alexander the Pretty Good

06-25-2004, 00:13

MTW 2

Take a really great game, fix its shortcomings (uninspiring AI, simplistic province and economic systems), and improve its great points (make more climactic, empire-changing battles in 3D).

MTW 2 would give CA the opportunity to do the above and more At least if RTW is all they are saying it is...

Gith

06-25-2004, 02:47

In any new TW, aside from R:TW, I would love to see an improved naval combat system, including boarding and what not.

bighairyman

06-25-2004, 16:50

I voted for China;total war.
seriously, it would also open up a new world to some of you, i bet there's at least someone in here who doesn't know Chinese history's, and it would be fun, i meant Shogun was fun right? well it would be just like shogun with a lot of different cultures and armies, it would be more diverse than MTW and RTW, and i just don't think an all gun battles will work out nicely, it needs alot more work, and there's alot games on that era already, i.e.- cossacks, EU, ect. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/flat.gif

jelirus

06-25-2004, 20:05

I vote for Shogun.

It was never perfect, but sure had areas that could have been fleshed out.

Changes could be more 3-d and maybe a general overhaul of the graphics.

I wouldn't like radical changes, maybe as once was suggested the Geisha option could be toggled off for those who didn't want to use it. I say this, even though the Geisha has saved me on more than one occasion from a dismal fate

scooter_the_shooter

06-26-2004, 00:21

cow boys and indians its about time we yanks got a tw game http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

The Sword of Cao Cao

06-26-2004, 02:05

No it isnt. We yanks are only a little over 200 years old. The Chinese are well over 6,000. They defintwely deserve coverage first.

Marquis of Roland

06-26-2004, 02:55

If an American Civil War era game was made, there WILL BE ONLY 2 FACTIONS: Billy's and Johnny's. You can't possibly tell me the native americans can be a multitude of various factions. Don't get me wrong; I think native americans were some of the greatest warriors and naturalists, but they definitely weren't no real FACTION. I mean, their units would only consist of a handful of men each and the only formation they will have is mob formation.

And you can say the Aztecs, Incas, or mayans were technologically advanced, I agree with you, mayan calendar is more galactically accurate than any other, but the Spanish took out the ENTIRE Aztec EMPIRE with ONLY a couple hundred cavalry. You see, when playing a war-based game such as Total WAR, military tech is far more emphasized than purely scientific or cultural tech. I know this sounds obvious but nobody's said anything yet so I'll put it out.

And if you want to put Europe on that map, if ever a Euro faction decides to fight the two main factions, the Americans will be raped bad. Euro armies far outclass the Americans in every class of units at the time. Think of Americans as peasant units (well, maybe urban militia hehehe) and European army units as CMAA or something. So that definitely wouldn't be fun; the imbalance between units of three separate people (natives, USA and CSA, and Europeans) is so much that the game would basically be boring.

Absolutely absent of balance and checks makes for bad game. Just wanted to impress that upon you guys.

Maedhros

06-26-2004, 03:35

I placed a vote for China....but my first choice wasn't present. Silmarillion. That world had battles more epic than LotR, cooler troops and many powerful factions.

Also, just think of dozen balrogs backing up your orc infantry. By backing up I really mean preventing retreat.

Think how much fun modders would have with dragon units.

It also opens up a new kind of battlefield. The underground fortress. Such battles were fought at Menegroth and Nargathrond. The dwarven cites could have been sacked as if things went badly for them.

dimitrios the samian

06-26-2004, 05:09

Asia full sweep...........Hmmmmmm...? ...
Disapointed to see MESOPOTAMIA not considered worthy enough to be listed for voting as a stand alone , after all, it is the Cradle of Civilization or so they teach.
I also would like to draw attention to another period and place as mentioned by CaoCao earlier , and myself in another thread ....... [I will transfer them here]
THE GOLDEN TRIANGLE in South East Asia , it deserves its own voting slot too ,[ I mean game or mod ].
Considering its geographical positioning its interesting varied Kingdoms,warfare,religion,trade and architecture.
I beleive it would be an injustice to leave both of these unmentioned and just part of this .. full sweep ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif .. I beleive a revised poll at a later date be called for http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Rufus

06-28-2004, 17:44

Quote[/b] ]And you can say the Aztecs, Incas, or mayans were technologically advanced, I agree with you, mayan calendar is more galactically accurate than any other, but the Spanish took out the ENTIRE Aztec EMPIRE with ONLY a couple hundred cavalry.

Well, it helped that Montezuma thought Cortez was a god If you play as the Aztecs you probably won't make the same mistake. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Who knows how long it might have taken otherwise. Indians were still causing heartburn for the U.S. into the late 19th century.

But I do concede that for a New World: Total War (that's the one I'm advocating, not Civil War), the Indian and European factions will have to be balanced somehow for the sake of gameplay, although the Indian factions should pose more of a challenge to play than the Europeans. Kind of like in MTW: there are stronger and weaker factions, but they all have a chance to win, even though historically few of them had any real chance to dominate European affairs.

One way to balance could be to give the Indian factions far more information initially about the terrain and resources, and make it far easier and cheaper for them to feed their people and make use of resources. Perhaps also a morale bonus as they're defending their homeland ...

CA can make it good. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

Darth Binky

06-28-2004, 17:55

Quote[/b] ]Well, it helped that Montezuma thought Cortez was a god
It also didn't hurt that Cortez was able to get a good number of subjugated tribes to revolt against the Aztecs... so in reality, it was a LOT more than just a couple hundred cavalry.

Cheers
DB

Xiahou Liao

06-28-2004, 18:17

Look, China: Total War would definately have more factions...You obviously don't know much about the three kingdoms era at least. It's more noted for it's time of turmoil because of so many fiefdoms that fought in the battles. There were those who supported the Han, wanted to depose the han, and those who were neutral. There is a lot, and the battles would be huge because of China's population was still huge compared to the world at the times.

Another thing, it would open people to new frontiers and pique their interests.

and, the native american tribes could not be put under a faction without offending someone... On my mother's side, My great, great, great, great Grandfather by the name of General Rhoden was married to some part sioux native american named Martha. I believe she was from the Ogala...I don't remember. but anyway, there were Nine different Sioux tribes...which means if you put the settings on unit size to Huge, they will be smaller than MTW units. Because, there was no one ruler of the Native Americans. So, point being...It would either take a hell of a lot of time, or it would completely push over and suck...

Xiahou Liao

06-28-2004, 18:19

Oh...and before someone says anything, I do have family records, and if I have to, I WILL post the family tree that we've found so far to prove I'm related to General Rhoden...though, I don't know of anything he did. lol..

Lt Nevermind

06-28-2004, 22:43

The only 'problem' I see in China: TW is the same as with Shogun, the unit rosters - all factions would have quite much the same type of units. If we'd enlarge the frame to be the whole Asian continent we'll get far more different types of unique units and nations. Of course some of you might want to have similar unit rosters so that the abilities of the commander count - not the units. I howeveer prefer different type of units http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Divine Wind

06-28-2004, 22:55

I would have to go for China. Such grand scale battles, and kinda being the next best thing for a Shoggie 2. Definitely gets my vote http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shogunshame.gif

Despot of the English

06-29-2004, 10:05

Not fussed. Anything would be good. But I would love to see an upgraded MTW with better graphics and more historically accurate factions and campaign map.

Drake

06-29-2004, 14:45

I had to vote for Penguins:Total war. I will now go begin a petition to make this. Thanks for the idea, finally I have a cause

Xiahou Liao

06-29-2004, 17:59

Obviously Lt. Nevermind, you don't know the truth behind the Three Kingdoms era. There were many diverse soldiers. Not all were trained the same, or even made the same. I'll try to name off a few.

Rattan Soldiers
Shanyue Tribals
Qi Horsemen
XiongNu Cavalry ( Mongol Heavy Cavalry )
Wuwan Cavalry( Mongol Horse Archers )
The White Riders
Yangtze Marines
Northern Steppes Cavalry
Hillmen
Footmen
Archers( Obviously )
Rapid Archers ( Two shot )
Liang Cavalry
Peasants ( Obviously )
Horse Archers ( Again, Obviously )
Chokunu ( x3 shot Crossbowmen )
Rapid Crossbowmen ( Two shot )
Crossbowmen
Kwan Sword Cavalry
Lancers ( Rare )

Bleh, there's more, but that's all I can think of off the top of my head.

Oh, Oh, there could be a unit called...

Huang Zhong Archers

Huang Zhong loved archers supposedly...

China Total War wouldn't be JUST China though. Yeah.
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Neubs

06-29-2004, 18:07

I would like to see a Total War game that uses the RTW map system on the whole world. The years should be 10,000BC-1900AD. There should be a Naval Warfare engine and there should be an option to actually fight in battles somewhat like Dynasty Warriors.

Ar7

06-29-2004, 18:50

I would really like to see MTW remade, cause the medieval period is my favorite, followed by the Roman empire, so i guess i am lucky http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I guess an Asian TW would be interesting, but i am not really fond of the military aspect of Asian history. The martial arts and the traditions of the east are much more interesting, but they don't make a good TW game.

The new world TW would have serious problems. The scale would be too big, since you would have to include all the colonies. Because of that game detail would be very low. There are so many factions and units that the developers would not have the time needed to develop each of them. This will leave us with many rebel territories that have no special units, no history back round and this would take away from the feel of the game.

Also due to the scale the provinces would become very big. This would lead us to a situation where say China is made of 3 or so provinces, this also is not right. I would rather have a smaller scale to TW, but with more historical accuracy and realism.

Civil War TW doesn't interest me one bit. Two main faction with many scattered Indian tribes and maybe a few European countries, no value in my eyes.

Napoleonic TW just doesn't go right with the TW gameplay IMO.

And i am not even going to talk about LOTR TW, this is just plain stupid and whoever voted for it must be in the wrong forums:rtwno: ......same goes for every fantasy TW

PseRamesses

06-29-2004, 18:57

Personally I think they´ll make a 17-19 century main game with an Am.Civ.war extension.
I do hope however they don´t make an ancient game since I´m planning The Rise of Civilization mod spanning and epic 3 mod and 9 era game from the unification of Egypt 3150BC to the fall of the Ptolemaics in 30BC.

Marquis of Roland

06-30-2004, 07:29

I am all for a Silmarillion game. Those first age battles made the pelennor fields battle in REturn of the King look like a minor skirmish.
However, that'll take away the multiple faction appeal as there will only be perhaps 4-5 factions: Morgoth, the Noldor, the Moriquendi, the Edain, the easterlings, and the dwarves. There could be more factions, but these five will be the main groupings of different units, just like how all catholic factions have CMAA for example.
Hmm, now that I think about it, that probably could work, since there were so many houses of Elves both noldor and grey elves, 3 houses of edain, 2-3 houses of easterlings, and two factions of dwarves (Belegost and Nogrod).

And guess what the expansion pack will be: Rise and Fall of Numenor
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Count Alfred von Schlieffen

06-30-2004, 12:01

And with China Total War, please please do not forget Korea As I said in another post, I would opt for a game that would just be the three kingdoms period, because that was relatively short, but from the fall of the Han to the rise of the Sui. Therefore, the Three Korean Kingdoms, Koguryo, Paekche and Silla would be included. Don't you dare forget Korea: especially Koguryo, it was immmensily powerful and big, extending far into Manchuria which would definitily bring in all kinds of army units http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ceasaryes.gif

The Sword of Cao Cao

06-30-2004, 13:34

Oh of course Korea would be in there m8 Thats what I'm opting for in China Total War. I want it to stretch from Japan to Kwarzm or possibly all the way ot Turkey, since it's a well known fact that many Song ynasty generals were actually Turkish. But yeah of ocurse the 3 Korean Kingdoms era would be there. After all, thats where the first samurai started making thier appearances.

Count Alfred von Schlieffen

06-30-2004, 13:50

You're talking about the Hwarang-do? Yeah, they would be an extremely cool army unit http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif

Spartiate

06-30-2004, 15:06

Would love to see a China based totalwar game or a Napoleon or U.S civil war totalwar.I've been playing the Napoleonic mod for Medieval for a while now and there is something wonderful about watching the enemy mown down while attempting to reach my thin red line or whatever colour i happen to be at the time. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

Count Alfred von Schlieffen

06-30-2004, 18:20

I've heard this rumour.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-gossip.gif that some other developer is making a Napoleonic game heavily inspired by Total War (if not ripped off). Well, it's not just a rumour, I saw it in a magazine some while ago. So, no Napoleonic Total war, I'm afraid. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/handball.gif

Maedhros

07-01-2004, 04:50

that could work out. I'd love to see more in the total war engine.

I say let them be more than a niche.

It also frees them up to take on the great mission. Silmarillion total war. More importantly, dragons and balrogs and werewolves oh my.

The sequel could indeed be rise and fall of Numenor.

Or, The War of Wrath tweaked to give Morgoth a chance in hell of surviving.

MadMad

07-01-2004, 07:34

STW Shogun 2 is what I really like to see. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

Inuyasha12

07-01-2004, 20:09

Id really like to see China the most. Especially during the warring states period.I have that game 'Dynasty warriors' and it would really be awsome to see it come to life in a total war engine. Also the number of periods could be huge because china went through huge changes throughout history. The map would include japan(for those shogun fans), Korea, southern steppes, and part of india.

Secondly i would like to see a total war on the discovery of america, and all of the new world. A couple of periods would include the french and indian war.The wars for independence in south america , the US revolution and Mexican revolution.

That would top all http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

Inuyasha12

07-02-2004, 00:13

Seriously who voted for 'GAH' or 'Penguins total war'? don't be silly http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

My god that GAH joke has really been spreading through the org. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

The Sword of Cao Cao

07-02-2004, 02:59

I really dont think fantasy has a place in TW. It's always been historical, and I really want to see it stay that way. For fantasy you have:

War of the Ring
Battle for Middle Earth
Warcraft series

Keep TW historical. Please.

octavian

07-02-2004, 03:20

Quote[/b] (Inuyasha12 @ July 01 2004,19:13)]Seriously who voted for 'GAH' or 'Penguins total war'? don't be silly http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

My god that GAH joke has really been spreading through the org. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
spreading through the org??? my my, you haven't been here very long have you. it is standard procedure to place GAH in your polls, that way if no one sees an option they like, they vote GAH. as far as penguin total war, who really cares, if someone wants to have a bit of fun and add a completely ridiculous option, more power to them. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif

Count Alfred von Schlieffen

07-02-2004, 11:01

Warring States would be cool, but I think the period from the end of the Han to the beginning of the Sui would be better. During the Warring States, there was too little contact between China and India for India to play a big part in the game, Korea's confederated tribes were just beginning to become civilized, and Japan was basically still very much Stone Age, in it's late Jomon/early Yayoi stages.

Spartiate

07-02-2004, 16:44

I really enjoyed playing as the Mongols in STW and again when i modded MTW so i would like to see a Mongols TW.Maybe having it as a Glorious Achievements style campaign i.e unite Mongol tribes subjugate Tartars Defeat Kwarasm(spelling wrong)Empire and so on and so forth.Start with Temujin and unite the Gobi,keep the various warlords within the tribes loyal.Just an idea but i dont think CA will go back to the Mongols again unless as bit part players in a Chinese TW

Inuyasha12

07-02-2004, 16:50

Exactly that's the beauty of CHINA TOTAL WAR for shogun fans it has japan, also the steppes for the mongol fans, and even korea for those korean people out there.
And of course china, that's not been done, ever, not even in a mod.

Duraz_asks

07-03-2004, 10:08

may i ask why everyone likes the lame napoleonic tw

Nowake

07-03-2004, 11:09

as said countless times, a China TW would be good; but not the ancient period, something about 1200, to include mongols, tatars, kitai, coreeans, japanese etc. with the 2 chinese empire's as the main pillons.

The Sword of Cao Cao

07-04-2004, 02:28

That would be good but the Spring and Autumn/Romance of the Three Kingdoms era should be included as well m8. Maybe as the expansion?

zayanm

07-04-2004, 03:50

Split between two decisions...
>China Total War or the whole of Asia would be better.
>Napoleonic Total War

fenir

07-04-2004, 04:15

In all truth, there is only a few choices that are open to CA.

1st option

Maeda Toshiie

07-04-2004, 04:22

US Civil War => Too gun heavy. Troop types limited

China => depends on which period
1) Warring states/ spring autumm - chariots in action
2) Post Han/ Three Kingdoms - Elephants, x-bows etc
3) 5/10 period/ Pre Tang - steppe plays a part
4) Mongol Invasion/ Song
5) Ming vs Qing (Manchu invasion)

Antartic => No comments

GAH => No comments

New World => Would be interesting

Remake MTW with new engine => 1. For modders to do
2. Does not make economic sense

Asia => 1. Very big scope. Game ends up like MTW if not bigger
2. Limited to post Han or even Tang

India => Interesting, but difficult to generate the fan base

Napoleonic => There is already a mod.

Hellenic => There is already a mod

Far Antiquity Mediterranean/MidEast => Would be interesting

Lord of the Rings => Battle for Middle Earth is in dev.
By the time a game comes out the craze for Tolkien would be over.

PaolinoPaperino

07-04-2004, 04:37

I will go for:
China (Romance of the Three Kingdoms forward, with Chinese and neighboring factions).

Always desired to battle as in The art of War.

barocca

07-04-2004, 09:44

Quote[/b] (Count Alfred von Schlieffen @ June 30 2004,12:20)]I've heard this rumour.... :gossip: that some other developer is making a Napoleonic game heavily inspired by Total War (if not ripped off). Well, it's not just a rumour, I saw it in a magazine some while ago. So, no Napoleonic Total war, I'm afraid. ~:handball:
The Lordz Mod was featured in some magazines a while back,
i have a copy of the mag floating around here somehwere,
so thats what you most likely saw,
the Lordz Napoleonic Total War mod
Napoleonic Total War (http://www.thelordz.co.uk/)
B.

Count Alfred von Schlieffen

07-04-2004, 12:29

Oh, now I see... I had been under the impression it was an official completely new game by another company in the Total War style. It's a mod, then. Now everything makes sense.

Well, to me it seems clear most people would like to see a China Total War. The period is heavily contested, and every period from the Spring and Autumn to the late Qing is interesting, but I still think the Late Han- Foundation of the Sui dynasty is really the most interesting as it really was a period of total war for China as well as Korea and the Barbarian Kingdoms in the north.
As for other options:
Napoleonic: indeed, there's already a mod.
India: Extremely intersting IMHO, but there seems indeed to be a limited fan base.
Precolumbian America: warfare too ritualistic.
Greece: already a Hellenic mod.
Shogun/medieval revisited: good idea. But maybe a little later.
Rome total war 2 continuing the game to later periods: sorry, not interested so quickly after RTW.
Pinguin Total war: YES EVEN BETTER THAN CHINA TOTAL WAR
American Civil TW: Interesting but only as a mod.

Inuyasha12

07-05-2004, 02:03

Not only does china provide a new fresh template for a new tw game, but for a new tw mod. I have no idead why there is't a china based mod on MTW already. I would really enjoy that, but it seems that no modders are interested in making a china mod.

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Count Alfred von Schlieffen

07-05-2004, 12:12

BAD Modders http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

PseRamesses

07-05-2004, 14:16

Quote[/b] (Inuyasha12 @ July 04 2004,20:03)]Not only does china provide a new fresh template for a new tw game, but for a new tw mod. I have no idead why there is't a china based mod on MTW already. I would really enjoy that, but it seems that no modders are interested in making a china mod.
China would defenitely be a great mod. May I suggest that one look into a game called Emperor by Sierra and Impression Games, the makers of Caesar I-III and Pharaoh.
The game covers Chinese history from the Xia dynasty 2100BC to Song-Jin dynasty and ends in 1216AD. This game will give you many suggestions and inputs on how to go about making a Chinese mod. I do hope someone´s gonna pick up this great idea.

http://emperor.sierra.com/
http://emperor.heavengames.com

BTW, didn´t some of the HTW crew start on a Chinese mod while back, before HTW? Ask Antalis, he should know.

Inuyasha12

07-07-2004, 00:09

I will post something at the dungeon but i don't know if anybody will be up to it. There are so many projects ongoing that i doubt there are free modders http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

It would be awsome to have a china mod but it would be very complicating, we have no map for it, we have almost no units for it(exept the shogun units, and mongol units) and basically we have to sart from scratch, i think thats why no one has tried to do it. I think only the lords have done a mod so large scaled
Basically it is a dream and might only be fulfilled if many modders become interested.
I myself am no modder, the only thing i've ever modded are .txt files and to make this we'll need really hardcore modders.
Oh well http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/handball.gif

The Sword of Cao Cao

07-07-2004, 05:50

Hellenic and Napoleonic both had to be done from scratch. Besides me, Xiahou Liao and and a few other modders have started preparing for a mod of the Romance of the Three Kingdoms only, (not the grand scale Chinese mod i want) for RTW. Any help from good moders wil be definately appreciated.

Inuyasha12

07-08-2004, 10:59

Really you have, thank you http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I hope you do a great job on it. Even though that's like in at least a year, after rome comes out but who cares.

Pax

07-08-2004, 13:23

Gotta go with Far Antiquity Mediterranean/MidEast as my vote.

G-Con Daniel

07-11-2004, 19:02

I'm a huge fan of the Three Kingdoms and so my vote goes to China http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

Inuyasha12

07-12-2004, 13:21

For those of you interested on china mod go to the dungeon, engineers guild. There's a thread on the new romance of the three kindoms mod.

Hope it florishes

Julius Caesar

07-12-2004, 19:14

How about a Bronze Age total war? That would be fun

Inuyasha12

07-12-2004, 20:07

Wasn't that already covered with hellenistic total war, or do you mean way before that?

The Sword of Cao Cao

07-14-2004, 17:20

People vote for whats in the poll. Stop suggesting new stuff, we wont get anywhere.

Also I'm bumping this.

lancer63

07-15-2004, 00:05

I'll go for any TW game that doesn't get past the first half of the XIX century. Even a napoleonic TW game would be too gunny for me but I would suffer it because it's one of my favorite 25 years, hey it´s not even a period by TW standards. turns would have to be months instead of years and still would come up short by 60 turns compared to MTW.

I want MTWII after the romans https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ceasaryes.gif

Balin son of Fundin

07-15-2004, 05:15

I've got 1 thats not in the pole.. How about Halo: Total War?

Ok Ok, i'm a shameful Halo freak guy.. Im leaving now....

RollingWave

07-16-2004, 06:54

This was talked about a while ago... but if ur going to do a TW base on china... the spring and autumn/warring states periods (from the end of the western zhou dynasty in 771 b.c to the reunification by the Qin in 221 b.c would probably be the best due to to several reasons...

1. time span: it's time span is over 500 years considerablly longer than the 3 kingdoms which no matter how you count it is less than 200 years.

2. schools of thoughts: the new schools of thoughts around this time played a major role in this period... it would work like religion did in STW and espically MTW.... in fact you could work to bestow different bonus and units if you choose to follow different schools.. while there were no such thing in 3 kingdoms period except for the daoist to emerge as a people's religion (but it wasn't really THAT influencial)

3. warfare: 3 kingdom period the way war was fought didn't see any major change.. but during the eastern zhou period (spring and autumn+warring states) there was major changes from a mostly chariot based warfare to a infantry/cavlary mix. not to meantion the appearence of crossbows and the gradual shift to iron made weapons etc...

4. factions: there were easily 100+ faction in the span of the whole period... and even major onces easily go above 20 (overall.. not 20 at the same time) while there were definately enough unique difference between most of them.

5. the Zhou emperor could play out like what the Pope was in MTW...

6. events: there are considerablly more event during this time (espically due to the different school of thoughts... but many others too)

7.assasians/spies/emmisaries were much more common and famous in this period than that of 3 kingdoms.

MadKow

07-16-2004, 15:32

Any Historical Period will suit me just fine.
Of course i would be more interested in something that hasn´t been done. Or hasn't been done too much. Like the original Shogun did. One of the virtues was to cover a theme that on one hand had plenty of interest to the public but on the other had not been properly explored in a game (to my knowledge).

This leads me to prefer China, or Ancient Egypt /Hitites etc, or even India of which i know very little and i'm sure has an interesting belic history.

On the subject of New World, might be nice. (I recently downloaded Colonization for nostalgic reasons), if done properly:

Note — Any New World game should consider Portugal as a Major Faction. Unless you stick to the Northern Hemisphere.

katank

07-16-2004, 17:17

rollingwave, good point. may be the emperor could be like the emperor in Shogun though.

RollingWave

07-16-2004, 20:30

Well the zhou emperor had some influence (he still had his own fiefdom and army.... ) though it did wane greatly as time goes by... in the earlier spring autumn periods openly disobeying/defying him would still often bring the wrath of other nations.. (or at least a good excuse :P) and paying great tributes to him etc woulda given the particular ruler more prestige.....

The school of thoughts that starting to emerge in the mid spring and autumn periods would be extremely intersting... as some of them gave very very interesting backgrounsd...

Just some basic introdution to some of the most influencial schools

Confucisim: while obviously the most overall influencial in Chinese history, it wasn't exactly THAT hot in this period as it stressed that everyone should stay in it's place in the world (so no killing ur superiors to get better position for urself :P)

Daoist: they stressed peace along with many very deep philosaphies such as being weak is better than being strong (sayings like water has no form but break mountains, wind has no shape but uproot trees etc...)

Moist: along confucist and daoist both stressed peace also... they didn't make it as a fundemental base for their thought as the moist did.... but interestingly the moist were quiet willing to fight for their peace ... they had organization lead by one leader the jiu zi and all the follower were called mo zie, they often helped defended seige and fight off agressors in general and were often quiet successful.... though this obviously made them unpopular amoung the big invaders :P adn they were decimated in the late warring states fightings and were reputed to be great scientist/engineers.

Legalist: probably the most popular and practical thought amoung big powerful leaders... it stressed making strict law to control everyone from nobles to common peasents, probably the most overall dominating thoughts in this period.. it did prove to seriously improve income and overall national power for many nations (most notablly... the Qin whom eventrually went on to win) however it was obviously not very popular amoung the nobles to be restricted by law...

Amoung these lines we could easily draw up some very interesting use for the school of thougths that would make this a very interesting game... such as bestowing bonus for various things if your overall favors for a particular thought is high enough......

Such as the Moist would be most obvious to give you higher engineering tech or even appear during seiges to help you, legalist would improve ur income and discipline/moral for ur troops but give a higher chance for nobleman rebellions... daoist probably increase peasent happiness greatly but have some side effects (like slightly less income) confucist would probably have a rather balanced bonus to everything etc....

The intersting part for this is taht during this period not only do leaders choose which schools to follow.. but the schools often choose whom they give support to also... while legalist probably depend more on who implement their laws... Moist shift support depending on who is the agressors etc... while Daoist/Confucist have their own judgement of which leader is following their advices.

Alliance during this period was also massive... and cordinated attacks or attempts to help besieged allies were very common, (i would hope that even starting from RTW they will make the whole alliance system more realistic and flexible)

The Sword of Cao Cao

07-17-2004, 22:23

c'mon folks... theres about 250 active members here. My goal is to get them all to vote. And then we could send missionaires for the Chinese cause out the .com

lonewolf371

07-17-2004, 23:17

Fantasy: Total War would be awesome All CA has to do is come up with some fantasy world in strife (it's been done hundreds of times before, how hard can it be?) and then make all sorts of cool units like in LotR

Actually though, I probably agree most with the Napoleon idea, mainly due to the reasons already mentioned. Napoleon warfare is one of my favorite parts of history. But what would get both me and I think many of you guys most would be all the smoke going across the battlefield from guns... If any of you guys have played Empire Earth during the Industrial Age, you know what I mean. With engine like the one supporting RTW and some descent historical accuracy, I think NTW would make a positively magnificent game.

Musashi7

07-18-2004, 23:36

Hellenic all the way

The expansion pack could be Hellenic Total War: Persian Invasion

The Sword of Cao Cao

07-18-2004, 23:57

^ Been done. Called Hellenic mod and possibly the expansion for RTW.

Musashi7

07-19-2004, 01:39

Well, I'm not big into moding (afraid I'll somehow mess something up https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif) and chances are, the expansion for Rome will be a Hun invasion (all the other expansions have been invasions) so I'd love to see an official Hellenic Total War with the new RTW engine https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif . At the very least I'd like to see a greek mini campaign https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-nice.gif

G-Con Daniel

07-20-2004, 08:46

Who cares? Just make thme all using the unit & campaign tool well, it would take a while but you could be happy with the overall result. Oh and by the way... Is there a faction editor too?

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RexImperator

07-22-2004, 15:15

I voted for NTW

You could still have alot of factions without the game getting crowded.Here are some of the factions that could be in it.

French Republic----->French Empire
French Royalists
British Empire
Austrian Empire
Russian Empire
Kingdom of Prussia
Kingdom of Spain
Kingdom of Portugal
Kingdom of Sweden
Ottoman Empire
Persia(They did go to war with Russia during the Napoleonic wars)
Kingdom of Holland
Papal States
Piedmont----------->Kingdom of Italy
Mamluks
Knights of Malta
Kingdom of Denmark
You could even incorporate the U.S somehow (war of 1812)
It sounds weird but it could be an expansion about the Americas and call it American Invasion

Or you dont have to call it Napoleon Total War it could be 1800 Total War.