Who will you vote for.

[Inuyasha12]

Yeah i just want to know the political position of this forum.
Me, im under 18 so i can't vote http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Inuyasha12]

If you're american i mean, if you're not you can always post your oppinion.

[Joel11]

Canada is also having an election on the 28th I believe, so you can post for who you want to win among the NDP, the Conservatives and the Liberals (who cares about green?).

For the Americans I would vote for the Democrats because I don't want to see George W. Bush back in the hot seat, even though I don't like Kerry much. Not sure if my information is correct, I don't get much news on the American election up in Canada.

The Canadian election I think is a bit more interesting, because all three parties are no good, so you have to choose the one that disgusts you least. The NDP is a bunch of crazy socialists, that given half a chance would have Canada swamped in so many unions that they would screw the government up just like they did to BC, not to mention they don't support GMO's or two tier health care. The Liberals are so corrupt and I guess you could say 'dynamic' because they change their platform to make everyone happy, though they don't even pretend that they will keep any of their promises. The Conservatives, religious fanatics that would double the military and let the USA cover Canada with missiles for 'defense'. Then theres the Green party, they would support organic farming even though it's worse for the enviroment then conventional, and they are strongly against genetic engineering even though it is better for the enviroment, so the Green party really is nothing but a bunch of hypocrits. Who would I vote for? when in doubt vote Liberal.

[Lt Nevermind]

Wadda you mean, we just had the election... nah if I were a yank I'd vote for the democrats and the only motiv would be to get GWB down from the throne. It's a bit odd IMO that a democracy has only 2 (real) options you can vote for.

[Inuyasha12]

What throne amarica is a democracy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

Naw just kiddin

yeah though, i hate that bad boy

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Edit: cleaned up language - Gregoshi

[smoogs]

I'm American, and of legal age to vote. I will be voting for Kerry, unless by chance he does or says something incredibly stupid between now and election time.

I would like to see Bush voted out of office. I disagree with him in nearly every major issue that has come up since he's been the president. I would really hate to see what would happen if he had another 4 years in office.

[Inuyasha12]

Hey i don't remember putting anything bad for that

Though in my posting frenzy i could have let something slip.

[mcv]

In the recent European elections I voted Green. (fortunately they're for organic farming that's good for the environment and against GMOs that are bad, which makes a lot more sense than the opposite.)

Were I to vote in the US presidential election, I'd probably vote for the lesser evil (Kerry), although I'd prefer to vote for a really good candidate. Do they really exist? I'd probably make sure I knew a lot more about Ralph Nader, but to be honest, I'm having my doubts about him.


mcv.

[nizar]

Dear Americans, the world is watching you
Please vote for a better future. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Maedhros]

I'll be voting for Kerry. of all the dems that were in the ring he was my third choice, and I'm not convinced he can win.

He is still better than Bush, and Nader is strictly an ego candidate at this point. Not one who could govern effectively even if he could get elected.

conservative for kerry

[Navaros]

all the major Canadian parties suck

doesn't matter who wins, they are all evil and will all just turn Canada into even more of an immoral cesspool than it already is IMO (i am Canadian).

i'd LIKE to vote for this party:


http://chp.ca/

...but due to Canada's retarded election system, i can not. because there is no candidate for that party in my riding. so i have no way to vote for the only party i support. it's a fubar system here in Canada - nothing democratic about it at all. you are only ALLOWED to vote for whichever rich people from the biggest parties happen to have a candidate running in your area

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Jeeez Am I the ONLY American Conservative to play MTW?

BUSH 2004

Actually, I don't agree with him on all the issues, sometimes he's quite liberal. HOWEVER, he's conservative where it counts, in social matters. Which is why America needs Bush to win. So we can keep this great country from sliding further into the liberal-sponsored evils like affirmative action, abortion, and gay marriage. And Kerry is terrible for everything. And Nader is so liberal, he offends Europeans (I'd bet).

Too bad I can't vote. However, I can tell YOU how to. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[Scoony J. Delvio]

In the next election I'll be voting Republican because I can't stand the Dems and I don't much the Reps either. But what's a guy to do?

If only there were a conservative third party that had a chance...

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Quote[/b] ]In the next election I'll be voting Republican because I can't stand the Dems and I don't much the Reps either. But what's a guy to do?

If only there were a conservative third party that had a chance...

Yeah, Scoony J. Delvio, the Republicans are Conservatives lite: you get real conservatives and liberals in conservative clothing (those are the RINOs: Republicans In Name Only). Of course, a Conservative party would draw votes from Republicans and maybe let the Dems win (perish the thought). There are often Conservative Parties on the state levels, and maybe a conservative coalition could someday by made to put DEFINITE conservatives in every office in this great country. Hopefully by the time I can vote

[mercian billman]

Im voting for GW.

[Jason the Absentminded]

I'm neither Democrat or Republican, but due to my theological beliefs I am conservative. Therefore I will vote Bush as i think he's the better of the two options. Unfortunately, I 'm not convinced that either candidate is a GREAT choice.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Bush is no conservative: he just looks like one compared to John French Kerry.

Socially, he's almost conservative, but he's welcoming illegal immigrants, during a war on terror, for Pete's sake (don't actually know who this Pete guy is).

Fiscally (that's money) he's not really. Tax cuts are the only thing he's really done.

As far as big government, Bush has inflated the central govt. and that is BAD.

But GW is still a million times better than Kerry (too bad us Republicans can't have another Reagan, that would be SWEET).

[Maedhros]

Reagan was more conservative in his language than his action.

Bush is a frightening guy, and I'm not sure he is even in charge. He knows so little about the issues he is depends 100% on his handlers to tell him what to do. Because of who he is he probably would trust these people because they are like him

On social issues, nobody has the right to change the constitution because he wants to establish a state religion, or to win votes. It is a serious thing that should not be taken lightly. As a free secular country the US should be just that. Free and secular. The budget should be rained in, and the deficit eliminated. Education and the war on terror should be priorities.

Iraq had no connection to terrorism, not before the war. This is an expensive side show that has distracted us from more important global matters.

For the first time in my life, I'll vote for a democrat.

I won't like it, but it is better than the internment camp the AG Ashcroft would like to send me and others like me to visit.

A vote for Kerry represents a vote for the future, constitution, security, freedom, and for the american way of life.

[SirGonkSevenT3]

I'm really glad to read here that many people feel like me, in that neither candidate is a good option. Frankly, I don't know what to do.

I'm from Kerry's home state and he has never impressed me. But, with GWB as the only other option I'm stumped. I feel like voting for GWB is just me signing a contract with the devil himself.

This is the first time since FDR or maybe JFK since we as a country have really needed a strong leader, and neither of these fools is the one. I never really felt that GWB knew what was going on, but I trusted his cabinet to steer him in the right direction. I felt safer knowing Powell would be there. But the war in Iraq has shown me that GWB completely ignored Powell and favored Rumsfeld. It really saddens me.

America hasn't been popular with the international community for a long time. With GWB it will be four more years of distrust and hatred. And with Kerry it will be four years of his inability to handle what our current president stirred up.

Come the next election the only winners will be the politicians, the rest of the country will lose no matter what.

Please pardon my long windedness, but I needed to vent that out.

[MadMad]

I'd rather wait until the last minute. :D
Before I decide which way to vote. But history dicates that conservatives gets to keep my vote.
(then again, being a conservative makes this whole statement biased so its useless)

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[Plantagenet]

I consider myself a moderate conservative.

But just like last time, I don't like either candidate. Marshal Wyatt Bush scares me, and Kerry, a stereotypical weasel politician, makes me sick. Even so, I'll never vote for Nader...so I'm just f*d.

Don't laugh, but I'm still hoping it'll be Powell in '08... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

[Plantagenet]

Quote[/b] (Lt Nevermind @ June 26 2004,16:39)]Wadda you mean, we just had the election... nah if I were a yank I'd vote for the democrats and the only motiv would be to get GWB down from the throne. It's a bit odd IMO that a democracy has only 2 (real) options you can vote for.
I don't want another 4 years of Bush, but I just can't vote for Kerry. Since I have the feeling I'll regret voting for either candidate, I may not vote at all...which is a shame to say.

However, I couldn't agree more with the rest of that statement The whole 2-party system seemed like a great idea when compared with a far-off monarchy, but that was over 200 years ago. It's time for us to evolve...give me some real choices

The older I get, the more I think both parties are basically the same, with the only difference being which obnoxious radical fringe and/or special interest groups control them. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[mcv]

Colin Powell might have been the first republican candidate ever that I'd like, if he hadn't let his integrity be compromised by the lies of the Bush regime. Come to think of it, I liked John McCain too. He may be exremely conservative, but he's honest and he has integrity, which are rare qualities for a politican. I believe he really does want US politics to be more about the will of the people and less about big bucks, and a change like that might have more radical results in the long run than simply having a president from another party.

But most of all, I liked Bill Bradley in the 2000 election. I don't know much about him, but what I did know, sounded sounded more reasonable and moderate and, well, European, that anything I'd ever heard an American politician say. Ofcourse someone who sounds European will never become US president, but it would have been nice.


mcv.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

mcv - I'm afraid you've misplaced John McCain, politically at least. He's (at least how I would describe him) a RINO - a Republican In Name Only. He's not a rancid, pink liberal, but he's no conservative. Powell is only moderately conservative (again in my opinion), but I'd much prefer him over McCain.

And what do you mean about politics being about big bucks and not the will of the people, by the way? I'm sure if he ran, McCain would find his share of cash.


Plantagenet
A moderate conservative??? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif
Yeah, either Powell of Rice in '08. It will make the liberals squirm - they won't be able to decide wether to vote for an African-American candidate (and a woman, in Rice's case) or vote against them as (at least to some measure) conservatives. Maybe the liberals will just explode http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

Maedhros
What? Did I hear someone saying Reagan wasn't conservative? Explain, please.

It seems you've been reading too many editorials from the New York Slimes... er... Times. I was unaware that a country (namely, the USA) needed to pick its leaders according to how other foreign powers (namely, France) thinks we should. And a defense of marriage amendment is a far cry from establishing a national religion, and the people aren't as opposed to it as you might think. What politician DOESNT try to get votes, hmmmm? SInce when did the Constitution or Bill of Rights say that the USA should be secular like the godless French? Our Founding Fathers seemed not to mind God one bit. They even, gasp, mentioned him in public And the Patriot Act has not once been used to nail dissidents Not ONE SINGLE TIME Your freedom of speech (vehemently against the government, I might add) is fully protected under the 1st Amendment, Patriot Act or not.



Sorry if my response is rambling , then sorry

[Teutonic Knight]

I am very pleased to see that very few people will be voting party line. I think that is where Kerry will fail because he seems to be merely going through the motions because he is under the impression that he'll win because people hate Bush.


Look, if you want to vote for John Kerry, that's fine. But if you do, don't vote for him because he isn't Bush, vote for him because he's John Kerry. You should vote for someone on their merits alone, not on the negative merits of their opponent.

[Lehesu]

Quote[/b] (Teutonic Knight @ July 01 2004,13:40)]I am very pleased to see that very few people will be voting party line. I think that is where Kerry will fail because he seems to be merely going through the motions because he is under the impression that he'll win because people hate Bush.


Look, if you want to vote for John Kerry, that's fine. But if you do, don't vote for him because he isn't Bush, vote for him because he's John Kerry. You should vote for someone on their merits alone, not on the negative merits of their opponent.
Actually, I think this election will be a referendum on Bush, just as the previous one was on Clinton. I will vote for Kerry, simply because he is the lesser of two evils.

[Inuyasha12]

Quote[/b] ]Look, if you want to vote for John Kerry, that's fine. But if you do, don't vote for him because he isn't Bush, vote for him because he's John Kerry. You should vote for someone on their merits alone, not on the negative merits of their opponent.

Yeah, exept that if you want Bush out of office the only real choice is Kerry.
So unless we get another choice, those who don't want to see Bush in office will have to vote Kerry.

[mfberg]

We just need a better voting system, either ranking the candidates or being able to vote for, neutral, or against each of the candidates. Of course people would have to think then, and instead of 10-20% voting there would be a great turnout of 0 to 5% of the electorate.

mfberg

[Maedhros]

All I said about Reagan was that he was more conservative in language than deed.

He talked a conservative line, but his actions tended to be more moderate. I'm not saying he wasn't conservative, just less so than he gets credit for.

I'd love it if McCain tossed his hat in the ring. He has integrity, honesty, and I believe he can lead the country through the coming decade. Better, he hasn't sold his soul the the religous zealots.

I've been writing his office for the last year imploring an indy run.

We'll know more about Kerry when he announces his VP pick. I'm hoping for Wes Clark. But I also hope my catapult will take down the saxon king as his heavy horse ride toward my archers.....

Evan Bayh, or even Brokaw would make interesting choices. At this point Richardson, Gephardt(please, please no) and Edwards are out.

There is still much we don't know about Kerry, and we shouldn't give credit to the negative ads. These kinds of ads are usually based on outright lies and well lies. I'm sure he is a beauracrat. This doesn't mean he can't lead.

The people he chooses will have a big impact on my opinion of him. I think this will reveal much about his style and presidential tone.

[mcv]

Quote[/b] (mfberg @ July 01 2004,14:33)]We just need a better voting system, either ranking the candidates or being able to vote for, neutral, or against each of the candidates. Of course people would have to think then, and instead of 10-20% voting there would be a great turnout of 0 to 5% of the electorate.
I believe Australia has a ranking system. I think it'd be a really good idea for the US. That way, people can vote for Nader and all the other minor candidates first, Kerry second to last and Bush last, without accidentally helping Bush into office.


mcv.

[Inuyasha12]

Quote[/b] ]
We just need a better voting system, either ranking the candidates or being able to vote for, neutral, or against each of the candidates. Of course people would have to think then, and instead of 10-20% voting there would be a great turnout of 0 to 5% of the electorate.


You know i think that's it, the only problem is that amending the constitution now, in these troubled times would be hard, many people would be against it. It would cause more problems than the ones we have now.

Maybe after things die down, after bush wins. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Kerry.

[Duraz_asks]

the political system in this country is a big heap of bs but bush is proof that the mentally impaired can become president so id rather have kerry

[Dunedin_dude]

Quote[/b] (Alexander the Pretty Good @ June 28 2004,12:02)]Jeeez Am I the ONLY American Conservative to play MTW?

Bush 2004

HOWEVER, he's conservative where it counts, in social matters. Which is why America needs Bush to win. So we can keep this great country from sliding further into the liberal-sponsored evils like affirmative action, abortion, and gay marriage. And Kerry is terrible for everything. And Nader is so liberal, he offends Europeans (I'd bet).
WTF?
No wonder American foriegn ploicy and thier view of the world is so bizarre - I seriuosly doubt Nader keeps Americans up at night, and he certainly doesn't worry Kiwis and Aussies as much as that head-case Bush.
I love the way that bizarre theological beliefs are employed as the logic for so many Americans to make upo their minds.

Easier than thinking for themselves I suppose.
Can't agree with the French on much, but dulling down the influence of some quasi-mystical, semi-Judaism with liberal borrowings from Roman and Pagan religons (Christianity)seems a marvellous idea.

The sooner we get rid of Bush, Blair, and their little pet John Howard (Australia) the better off we'll all be.

[Inuyasha12]

My, my you make it sound like there's a global conspiracy, with bush,blair and that other guy

Wich i don't doubt http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif