Rebellions

[Malachus]

Hey guys, I was wondering, have any of you had some odd rebellions pop up in your provinces when there wasn't supposed to be one? For example, I was playing a burned copy of the game that my friend had given me, and everytime I played, about 50 years or so into the game, whenever I'd attack or defend, I'd end up having several rebellions in provinces with loyalty well over 100%, both in conquered provinces (some that I had held for 20 or more years)and even my homeland provinces. I'm sure there were no spies present, as all of my provinces had high loyalty, and I kept garrisons, too, but it still happened. Has this happened to any of you, or was it just a bug in my burned copy?

[Blodrast]

heh, i am pretty sure everyone has had their rebellions ;)
it's part of the fun after all.
as you probably know, several things can cause them.
i'll try to list some of them, other ppl will fill in, and you look and see if you can spot any of them applying to your situation.

- king isolated from most of the provinces (e.g. you just lead an attack with him, and the port in that province has been destroyed; or there is an enemy fleet blockading the way from your king to those provinces that rebelled; or he is simply a low influence king situated inland and far away from some of your provinces (far away is measured in turns it would take him to get to that province; that's why you want your seas not blockaded by the enemy)).
- sudden loss of influence of your king; this can be because:
- you have had failed crusades/jihads (for various reasons, including destroyed chapter houses/ribats)
- your king died, and the new one is rather crappy
- this is similar to your king dying and the new one not having his father's virtues that improve loyalty in all provinces. Thus the overall loyalty is lowered, hence the rebellions.
- you have been excommunicated; this hurts especially the more zealous provinces.
- inquisitors run amok burning people in those provinces ?
- simply low influence of your king because he doesn't do anything: doesn't build, doesn't go to war, doesn't trade, doesn't crusade. Not doing anything will not increase your influence.

[Malachus]

Hmm, well honestly, I think the most applicable of your reasons would be the king being far away because I've had provinces with 200% loyalty (no excomm) erupt into rebellion, even though they're garrisoned with pillar-filled armies, and a strong king with good or great influence (I've never failed to capture the target province with a crusade, and I've never had to use a jihad), not to mention high dread (I love killing prisoners http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif). All I know is that when I started playing the copy of the game I bought from the store (I got sick of the rebellions so I got rid of that burned copy), I didn't see these weird rebellions pop up anymore.

[Lt Nevermind]

The mass rebellions take _almost always_ place when your king is one way or another isolated from the rebelling provinces. If you still have the saves from that game I'd suggest you to take a look at it and search for the reason.

[Malachus]

Ok, so is there any way to keep the loyalty up when my king is far away besides, oh I dunno, spending extra money on crack troops to keep the provinces garrisoned, or not using my king in battles far away?

[Darth Binky]

I have a friend who played his first campaign as the HRE on Hard, and had pretty much won the entire game. All that was left was a puny Papal army in the Papal States.

But he had just been excommunicated, and out of the blue, all 99 (or however many provinces it is) revolted Every single one he had. It took like 10 minutes to get through all of the notifications.... it was crazy

Needless to say, he got pretty angry and didn't finish that one...

[InsaneApache]

For example, I was playing a burned copy of the game that my friend had given me,[QUOTE] hmmm...Id say the mods will have something to say bout that m8

[Blodrast]

i'm sure that it _is_ theoretically possible to churn up enough armies to keep the loyalty above the minimum necessary...but it's probably practically infeasible, and certainly crazy expensive.
Why would you wanna spend countless years and even more florins building tens of thousands of peasants to keep your loyalty up, when you could simply NOT send your king to hell ? just leave him in your heart provinces...

[Maeda Toshiie]

For example, I was playing a burned copy of the game that my friend had given me

ie, your copy is cracked and not patched (not that it makes a difference to rebellions). Buy the battle pack or whatever it is called. Its worth it.

Burned copy doesnt have anything to do with rebellions.

Keeping the peasants down.
1. Keep your king in the centre of your empire, preferably near or at a coastal province with a port. Have ships all over to carry his influence far and wide. Sink any blockading enemy ships DO NOT use your king to lead attacks

2. Build happiness buildings.
From the Numerology thread:
Town Watch (+10)
Town Guard (+10)
Town Militia (+10)
County Militia (+10)
Brothel (+10/level)
College of Surgeons (+40) ***unique***
Church (+20)
Mosque (+20)
Monestery (+10)
Reliquary (+30)
Cathedral (+40) Grand Mosque (+40) ***unique***
Watch Towers (+10)
Border Fort (+10)

3. Use governors with high dread. +5% per skull.

4. Use governors with high piety for provinces with high zeal. (effect not full documented.)

5. For VI, the auto-tax would suffice.

6. Shift key is a good friend.

7. The usual spies and priests on patrol.

8. Raise the influence of your king by getting builder and steward (more difficult). Plan attacks to commence at the start of the reign of a new king (so as to boost his influence early and fast).

9. Certain provinces are known to be more rowdy, like portugal, livnoia, prussia, etc. Ask Motorhead for more details (or whoever here has the list)

Pass the 60% mark things can get a little out of hand. A few more peasants would help. However, point 1 is the most important. Ignore that and all the rest of the precautions/measures would be useless.

[Malachus]

Alright you guys, thanks a lot, that'll surely help me out in the future.

[Lt Nevermind]

The rebellious provinces:

Rebellious degree 0-4

4/4 Portugal, Livonia

3/4 Lithuania

2/4 Prussia, Scotland

1/4 Ireland, Khazar, Pomerania

0/4 All other

[Lt Nevermind]

Whoops, missed

1/4 Serbia

How can you edit your posts here? There's no edit button here but people still edit them.

[Blodrast]

Quote[/b] (Lt Nevermind @ July 06 2004,14:35)]Whoops, missed

1/4 Serbia

How can you edit your posts here? There's no edit button here but people still edit them.
you get the edit button when you become a Senior Patron (usually few days). http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[nizar]

Just a thought.

Wouldn't it be interesting, if a mod can be made, where a province will rebel more if it is not one of your core province?