Janissary

[Antimatter]

I'm playing my first game with the Turks and was looking forward to playing with the Janissary units. Now, it looks to me like you need a military academy along with some other prereqs before you can build any Janissary units. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a military academy require a grand mosque, and isn't a grand mosque unique? My question is, can you only build Janissary units in one of your provinces?

[Blodrast]

that's for JHI (Janissary Heavy Inf).
Yes, that's true, the Grand Mosque is unique.
Check other threads about that though, there are lots of things you can change this:

- make the Grand Mosque non-unique (simple change in one text file)
- destroy the mosque and build it somewhere else. The Grand Mosque is unique, but the Mil. Acad. is not. You can build JHI in as many provs as have Mil. Acad. You only need a Grand Mosque _at a time_.

[Doug-Thompson]

Declare Jihads. You'll get more Janissaries than you can shake a stick at, from every developed province.

[KillerKadugen]

Or you can be cheesy and build a grand mosque in all of your provinces starting at the same time, so they all complete at the same time, allowing you to build all the mil acadamies AND Imams that you want.

[Antimatter]

I did a search after you mentioned it and found another topic on the same subject. I ended up just modding the game a little. I changed it so that for the Muslims, you need a Fortress and Ribat to build a Military Academy, and for the Catholics you need a Fortress and Chapter House to build a University, which is needed for a Military Academy. That should allow me to build them wherever I want without changing the flow too much. I also upped the build time on the MA for Muslims and Catholics from the original 10 years to 20 years to try and take into account the time that would usually be needed for the both the Grand Mosque and the MA. To be exact, it really should take 26 years, but I'm not that patient ;)

[The_Emperor]

Another thing you can do is to build a grand mosque and then build a Military academy... Then destroy the grand mosque and build it in another province.

Then you can build another military academy http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif

[Antimatter]

I had to change one thing since my previous mod. By linking the university to the chapter house, I accidently limited the university to catholic nations only, when the orthodox nations should have it as well. The only way I could think of to fix this was to just link the univ to the church. That makes this not quite perfect, but I think this solution is better then having build and knock down and rebuild my Grand Mosque everywhere at 16 years per build. Much too long if you ask me.

[octavian]

Quote[/b] (Antimatter @ July 07 2004,19:03)]for the Catholics you need a Fortress and Chapter House to build a University, which is needed for a Military Academy. That should allow me to build them wherever I want without changing the flow too much.
why do the cathos need to jump through all those hoops and loops to make a Mil Acad, iirc, they dont need it to build nething.

also, what do you mean by them. do you mean janis? if so, cathos cant build them at all.

[Darth Binky]

Quote[/b] (KillerKadugen @ July 07 2004,18:51)]Or you can be cheesy and build a grand mosque in all of your provinces starting at the same time, so they all complete at the same time, allowing you to build all the mil acadamies AND Imams that you want.
I don't know about earlier versions, but VI 2.1 won't let you do that. After seeing your post, I decided to try it out (I just happened to be in the middle of a Turkish campaign http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif), and it didn't work. It built one, and the other provinces started on whatever was next in queue.

But the tactic where you tear down the GM after building the Academy definitely works. I'm finishing up my 4th (and probably last) Academy now- one in The Nope, Georgia, Nicaea, and Trebizond.

Of course, it's like 1380 and I don't really need them, but oh well... I had the cash. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif

[KillerKadugen]

Really? I remember that it worked before VI, but I have not tried it since then. Guess I'll have to resort to the build-demolish method described earlier as well http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif

[Maeda Toshiie]

Bulgaria grants +1 valour to JHI, at least in VI that is.

[Darth Binky]

Quote[/b] (KillerKadugen @ July 07 2004,23:46)]Really? I remember that it worked before VI, but I have not tried it since then. Guess I'll have to resort to the build-demolish method described earlier as well http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif
In the unpatched, MTW (without VI), GMs weren't unique, and you could build them as often as you wanted, whenever you wanted. Until just recently, I was living in Europe, and a friend of mine used my MTW disk while I used the VI disk. And he would brag about how he could build as many Mosques as he wanted, but I couldn't.

I'm not sure how the patches changed it though. He refused to get the patch.

Cheers
DB

[Antimatter]

Quote[/b] (octavian @ July 07 2004,21:24)]
Quote[/b] (Antimatter @ July 07 2004,19:03)]for the Catholics you need a Fortress and Chapter House to build a University, which is needed for a Military Academy. That should allow me to build them wherever I want without changing the flow too much.
why do the cathos need to jump through all those hoops and loops to make a Mil Acad, iirc, they dont need it to build nething.

also, what do you mean by them. do you mean janis? if so, cathos cant build them at all.
The cathos originally needed a Cathedral to build a university, which was needed for a military academy. That's just how it was set up before. All I did was connect the university to a non-unique building so it could be built anywhere. I know the cathos don't get any special units for this (that I'm aware of) but I thought I'd try and keep it consistent anyways. Also, when I said them I was referring to the military academies.

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] (Maeda Toshiie @ July 08 2004,04:51)]Bulgaria grants +1 valour to JHI, at least in VI that is.
I heard it is +2 valour in VI.

Of course Georgia is another good province to make Janissaries because of the Valour Bonus to jan Archers.

[katank]

are you sure? +2 valor for agents and +1 for units is the way it goes IIRC.