Unreached units

[Malachus]

Hey guys, which units have you guys never seen let alone had to encounter in the game, yet were a viable option to use both by the comp and human players?

[Armchair Athlete]

Gothic Units (by me and the comp), Chivalric Kights (comp), Gendarmes (comp) Pikemen (comp) and for some reason the byzantines never seem to build any kataphraktoi (only prince units) and Varangian Gaurd (thankfully). I have never seen an AI build any Janissary units either, or Lancers.

[Malachus]

i will add that ive never seen any abyssinian guards (comp)

[Julius Caesar]

Quote[/b] (Armchair Athlete @ July 09 2004,06:47)]Gothic Units (by me and the comp), Chivalric Kights (comp), Gendarmes (comp) Pikemen (comp) and for some reason the byzantines never seem to build any kataphraktoi (only prince units) and Varangian Gaurd (thankfully). I have never seen an AI build any Janissary units either, or Lancers.
Same as me, never seen these units in the campaign for the comp.

[Papewaio]

Quote[/b] (newagebassist20 @ July 09 2004,12:59)]i will add that ive never seen any abyssinian guards (comp)
Saw them used by the comp but not for long... it was a unit I bribed http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Zortanius]

In all my years as a commander on the bloody battlefields of Medieval Europe, I have never come across Gothic Knights, Gendarmes, Sherwood Foresters and Cogs. Also, I have never been able to train Armenian Heavy Cavalry as the BYZ despite having all the necessary buildings in Armenia.

Is this feasible ?

I ask because I could build Lithuanian Cavalry in Livonia and Lithuania as the BYZ after I built Master Horse Breeders and either Bowyers Guild or Swordsmiths Guild there. I don't remember what the second building was but I remember I could eventually train Lithuanian Cavalry.

Cheers,

[katank]

AHC are only for muslims unless you mod lith cav is for all IIRC.

as Byz, you don't really need AHC. between Byz lancers, Byz cav, Pronoiai, and Katanks, all your cav needs should be covered.

[Darth Binky]

I never see lots of units- if we're talking about the comp factions making them. The higher end stuff, like Gendarmes, Gothics, Janissaries, Lancers, etc. The comp never seems to even get close to making them. Same goes for ships above the second one you get (for example, Baggalas for the Muslims).

As for units I've never seen, period... I've never seen Sherwood Foresters. I don't know what they look like, or even how many men are in a unit of them.

For a long time, I never saw the Khazar Royals, Avar Nobles or Swabian Swords. Eventually I was able to make the Avars and Swabians, and every rare once in a while blue moon, the comp will actually have a unit of Khazars or two.

And one time I made a fleet of 5 Cogs, just because I could, and I had never seen them before. They were then destroyed in a battle with two baggalas, so I've never made them since. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

[Maeda Toshiie]

As for units I've never seen, period... I've never seen Sherwood Foresters. I don't know what they look like, or even how many men are in a unit of them.

Sherwood Foresters are rebels only unit, and only wales. Since the English would invariably take the province relatively fast, unlikely to see them.

For a long time, I never saw the Khazar Royals, Avar Nobles or Swabian Swords.'

Seen a bunch of them recently at Khazar before the horde came. Bribed them off but they dont seem rather impressive. Prefer my AHCs.

Gothic Units (by me and the comp), Chivalric Kights (comp), Gendarmes (comp) Pikemen (comp) and for some reason the byzantines never seem to build any kataphraktoi (only prince units) and Varangian Gaurd (thankfully). I have never seen an AI build any Janissary units either, or Lancers.

I have seen VGs at Early, normal Those guys (5 1/2) units wreaked my entire line of English high troops. And also in that campaign Katas and porno cav were in production as well.

[Ironside]

Counting in rebellion troops (loyalty rebellion faction re-emergence) and crusade/jihad troops, I've seen the comp have everything except swiss pikemen and lithuanian cav (I've never seen the comp bribe the units that exists as rebels).

But I've only seen them produce troops to citadel level and not fortress level troops, so no janis, lancers, gothic units, pikemen, hashishin.

I've made Sheerwood foresters and kazar royal cav buildable though, so that might explain why I've seen them, same with almughavars.

[Beetlio]

Quote[/b] ]Sherwood Foresters are rebels only unit, and only wales

I think it's in Mercia. Or at least that would make sense, as that would make sense, as thats were Sherwood forset is located http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

One of the most annoying things for me in MTW is that I never see the computer player build any knights, except for some in late when it has the buildings already. This is a bit silly to say the least, since this is supposed to be the age of the knight. This is one of the things i hope they have in RTW - an Ai that actually produces potent and balanced armies.

[Magraev]

Try playing a game in high without rushing everyone at once. You'll see plenty of knights then.

[Beetlio]

Ah, that's my problem. I just can't stand to see anyone apart from me become powerful. Anyone builds armies next to me of over 2 stacks and it's invasion time. Maybe I need a more conservative foreign policy.

[katar]

another option is it get MedMod, or some of the other mods around, in MedMod the AI tends to get more of the robust units for it`s forces and rebellions.

[Tozama]

I faced both Varangian Guard and Janissary Hvy. just last night as I expanded into Asia Minor to finish my English campaign. The Byz were rather easily killed having only two units of VG though.
The Turks had 8 units of Janissary Hvy. awaiting me in Trebazoid (sp?) and I tell you they are deadly to man and beast. Tore up everything I sent at them and my arbs couldn't kill them fast enough to stop the line as it came forward. If I hadn't managed to kill the Sultan with my flanking right wing I think I would have lost that battle. I did lose more men than the Turks.

I rarely see more than one or two untis of Varangian Guard built by the comp though. Good for winning purposes but I do miss the challenge of facing them in battle enmass just to see how I'd handle them.

[Nowake]

Never had any gothic units http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ceasarno.gif

[King Edward]

Quote[/b] (Maeda Toshiie @ July 09 2004,06:00)]And also in that campaign Katas and porno cav were in production as well.
Porno cav?????? Definatly never seen them http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-pimp.gif

I have never seen Janissary Units, Gothic units Gendarmes or Lancers in an SP game. I think as all these units are Faction Specific, what late units you see really depends on what factions are still around when you hit the late period.

[katank]

that's in honor of ichi's favor for PAs which he terms porno cav.

he certainly taught his cav some naughty things and many of us decided to call it prono cav in the forums

[Colovion]

I've never used or seen any gunpowder units yet - I keep invading too quickly and finishing the game too soon. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[King Edward]

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif I'll have to remember that then

[KillerKadugen]

What about the danes and their huscarles. Never seen them expand quick enough to have the cash to build them. Also, I have never seen any Joms Vikings in my VI campaigns. Vikings always seem to get whooped after the first few years whenever I play in VI. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-surprised.gif

[mfberg]

The Vikings in VI hit red fairly quickly, and AI doesn't know how to raid. Increase the starting cash or farming int their homelands and your Vikings will be spouting silver/silver Joms in no time.

I have only seen Joms once in VI (other than when I make them) and have never seen the invisible Welsh bandits.

EarlyVarangianGuards (rebel only), Hashashin, and Sherwood foresters are some of the units I haven't seen in MTW, the EVG and SF are rebellion troops, so I probably won't see them except in my mods.

mfberg

[katank]

Danes are too busy breeding trashy princes and the cost of all those RKs practically bankrupts them.

[z|co]

i also have never seen Sherwood Foresters. Must there be certain conditions for them to appear (province, year, rebellion)? How do they compare to the ordinary longbowmen? what are there stats like?

[katank]

sherwood foresters 12 men per units

rebellion only, mercia

4 charge, 6 attack, 5 defence. can hide in open, have longbows.

[z|co]

Thanks Katank, i will definitely try to get a hold of them in the future.

[katank]

they are simply hashishins with 2 more charge.

they sound awesome but could easily get overwhelmed by being mobbed.

they only have 2 armor and can be picked apart by vanilla archers in a duel.

use them in melee and forget about shooting as it wouldn't do much.

just kill or rout their general with them if you can let their army pass by without detection.

[Spartiate]

Using Gnome Editor edit the Crusader unit build prod.
Find SherwoodForesters and give them a building requirement.
Fun unit to use as they can really hurt even large elite units. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif

[G-Con Daniel]

Quote[/b] (Armchair Athlete @ July 08 2004,21:47)]Gothic Units (by me and the comp), Chivalric Kights (comp), Gendarmes (comp) Pikemen (comp) and for some reason the byzantines never seem to build any kataphraktoi (only prince units) and Varangian Gaurd (thankfully). I have never seen an AI build any Janissary units either, or Lancers.
I agree http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/idea.gif

[katank]

the AI just can't manage economy and does stupid things like leveling up to fortress in 3 provinces while it only had 4 and 1k in the bank

[G-Con Daniel]

The A.I is stupid During an early campaign, I was the Egyptians attacking a Byzantine province, The province itself had few troops, but the surrounding ones had hordes of archers, swordsmen and allsorts and they didn't help out It's like in Lord of the Rings when the orcs attack Osgiliath and Gondor sent no-one to help

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[Makuri_Dog]

Yes I had never seen Janissary or Lancers with the MTW (cept when I built them). Gothics have appeared in some late and nasty faction reapperance.
But now I am using MedMod and getting a lot more development from the AI and some heavy troops https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-anxious.gif

But makes for a very fun campaign. ohhh yeah fun.

[RexImperator]

Quote[/b] (G-Con Daniel @ July 20 2004,02:41)]It's like in Lord of the Rings when the orcs attack Osgiliath and Gondor sent no-one to help
Hey G-Con Daniel in response to your lord of the ring comment. It's not like they had much choice, the Gondoridrim did not have a large enough army to defeat a force that large and Osgiliath was not that important as it was already abandoned. Gondor was being attacked by many sides (in the south in lebbenin in the north at Cair Andros and at Minas Tirith) The only reason they were trying to hold the area was to cause casualties and then retreat back to Minas Tirith where they had a larger but still incredibly small chance of defeating Saurons armies then at Osgiliath.


And I have never seen the AI build any Viking units except vikings.