Jannisary Units

[dragonchr15]

When do they become available? And for some reason, I can't build a Grand Mosque in all my provinces, I need that to get the Military Academy and I need the Military Academy to get Jannisary troops. Help me please

[Medieval Assassin]

I do believe they are a late unit,

Grande mosque is a unique building you can only have 1 of them, also you will need a military accademy.
HOWEVER the military Accademy is not unique, you can have a bunch of them

Build a grande mosque in a provence then build the mil.acd. they destroy the mosque put it somewhere else, and keep doing the untill you have a bunch of provances pumping of Jannies.

[Darth Binky]

The Grand Mosque is a unique building. You can never build more than one. Just like Cathedrals.

However, the Military Academy is not unique. So what you can do is build the Mosque, then build the Academy. After you finish building the Academy, destroy the Mosque and build it somewhere else. Then build another Academy there. Lather, rinse and repeat. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif I recently played a campaign as the Turks, and using that tactic, I had four Academies by the mid 1300s, each allowing me to churn out my Janissaries.

You'll also need other buildings to make the Jan units too... for example, for Heavy Infantry you need the Master Spearmaker, and for the Archers you'll need a Master Bowyer.

I'm pretty sure Jan units become available in the High Age... but because of the high requirements to make them, it's hard to get them before the Late Age starts.

[Mith_]

Yeah, the Grand Mosque limit is quite a pain when you're trying to build Janissaries all over the place... and when you relocate it you can't spam create Imams for 16 years.


Quote[/b] ]I do believe they are a late unit

They're definitely High units, as I am rocking with them in my current campaign in 1265. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif And although you need a LOT of infrastructure for them, its definitely possible to get it all long before Late (assuming you start in Early), especially if you take Constantinople and its citadel. If you start in Early, or even High probably, taking Constantinople early helps immensely on the road to Janissaries. Bulgaria is also a good province to build them in (its gives +1 valor to Janissary Heavy Infantry), and obviously any province with iron.

[katank]

yep. they are high.

reqs in addition to academy

master spear for JHI

master bow for JA

master bow and sword guild for JI

[Maeda Toshiie]

Aim to build in Bulgaria for the +1 valour to JHI, though JHIs dont really quite need that boost, considering their stats.

Alt is to mod the Grand Mosque to be non-unique.

[RollingWave]

As much as i would like that... modding grand mosque and it's counter parts to non unique could be ummm.... abuse :P consider that it pays for itself after a while (round 30-40 years usually) while giving massive moral/happyness bonus and spamming the already abusive immams from even more province is meh.... XD but would be more realitic though IMHO.

[katank]

I made the religious buildings nonunique too.

its nice spam second level religious agents everywhere and you can conversion rush the opposing factions with 20 Imams.

also, now it's like a mine in being fixed income economic upgrade.

also, I like my people to be 200% loyal while being taxed at very highest rate. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[WorkNeglecter]

Quote[/b] (Medieval Assassin @ July 13 2004,04:15)]Grande mosque is a unique building you can only have 1 of them, also you will need a military accademy.
Has anyone's Muslim faction ever captured another muslim faction's Grand Mosque without destroying it?

[katank]

hmm, if me as Eggy or Turks usually destroy the other within 5 years and the survivor never wars on the Almos or vice versa.

barely even seen a grand mosque let alone take it over as another muslim.

[Ludens]

Quote[/b] (RollingWave @ July 13 2004,17:09)]As much as i would like that... modding grand mosque and it's counter parts to non unique could be ummm.... abuse :P consider that it pays for itself after a while (round 30-40 years usually) while giving massive moral/happyness bonus and spamming the already abusive immams from even more province is meh.... XD but would be more realitic though IMHO.
It is also possible to change the building requirements of the military acedemy. Since Janissary require high tech buildings anyway, it will not matter much to their availability.

But does anyone know how to change the 'unique' status of buildings with gnome editor? I am unable to find out which column to edit.

[sunsmountain]

Wow, I didn't know that you could build multiple military academies, so i always built my grand mosque in Constantinope. If you destroy it, your troops produced their will lose 2 to morale though (assuming you have a ribat).
mosque = +2
ribat = +4
gr mosque = +6

But the valour upgrades make up for it in the long run. Creating super units of CFK or JHI is fun. Valour 4, anyone?

[katank]

@ludens.

column 4 at the end is the unique tag.

row 29 and 30 are cathedral and grand mosque respectively.

@sunsmountain, the troops already produced will keep the morale and only future troops don't get the morale.

BTW, I'm pretty sure that the number are more like +1 mosque, +2 ribat, +3 grand mosque and the first two don't stack. where did you get those number from?

[Ludens]

Quote[/b] (katank @ July 18 2004,15:42)]@ludens.

column 4 at the end is the unique tag.

row 29 and 30 are cathedral and grand mosque respectively.

@sunsmountain, the troops already produced will keep the morale and only future troops don't get the morale.

BTW, I'm pretty sure that the number are more like +1 mosque, +2 ribat, +3 grand mosque and the first two don't stack. where did you get those number from?
Thanks Katank,

You are right about the morale bonusses, they are:
Mosque: 1
G. Mosque: 3
Ribat: 2

[katank]

no problem.

I know that ribat doesn't stack with mosque but does grand mosque stack with the other two?