Have you seen "poor attacker" vice?

[RedKnight]

This vice's description says it gives -1 command, but this is inconsistent with most of the other vices, where poor gives -2. If you have a leader with it - or more likely, some enemy you've faced. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif Can you tell what it's actual effect is, -1 or -2? (just act like you're going to attack - but make sure other v&vs don't confuse the matter).

More specifically: From their descriptions, the vice bad_attacker1 is -1 command, ba2 is -1, and ba3 is -3. In most other progressions of v&vs, the middle position would be a 2. I imported all the vices and virtues from the Loc\Eng\events and changes.txt files, and noticed this. Another inconsistent one is Superb Risky Attack (http://www.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=20285;st=0#entry359481). But nobody (yet) has a save file with that unusual virtue, so I'm asking about this one too.

One question is whether the v&v values themself come from somewhere else besides the description, which is always possible (indeed likely). So if somebody finds that Poor Attacker actually gives -2 in the game, I'll know to look elsewhere to try to extract this. Don't know where though, lol... a search for the v&v code names (like bad_attacker1) only finds them in the events and changes.txt files.

TIA if you can help http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/medievalcheers.gif

[katank]

just use a general and drop him to attack and account for the change through both the defense and attack V&Vs.

IIRC, poor attacker is -2 while weak attacker is -1.

[katank]

BTW, the Almo 5* general in Valencia at the start of High has poor attacker IIRC so start up a High Almos game and check if you are so inclined.

[Maeda Toshiie]

List of V/V:

“Weak Attacker”
“He does not like taking risks, which make his attacks predictable. -1 Command when attacking.”

“Poor Attacker”
“He hates taking risks, and is right to do so as when he does it does not often go well. -2 Command when attacking.”

“Bad Attacker”
“When attacking, all reason seems to escape him. His enemies are often confused by his tactics, regularly talking of them during their victory celebrations. -3 to Command when attacking.”



List of heros:

Rebel:
Wat Tyler 1351 Wessex Bad Attacker

French:
Gerard de Ridefort 1145 General Poor Attacker
Jean le Maingre Boucicault 1345 General Weak Attacker

Elmo:
Muhammad ibn Yacub 1179 General Poor Attacker

[RedKnight]

Thanks folks Ok, I got it...

The changes to Poor Attacker (and also Superb Risky Attacker) were buried farther down in CHANGES.TXT, far away from the rest of the v&v changes. (There's a lot of stuff scattered around in CHANGES, without any labels.) And yes, it fixes them both to what's expected - and right, Kat, that Almo general has -2.

Thanks folks

One final nit to pick if anyone has seen it - There seems to be a mispelling of the title of the virtue right_hand_man1, of Clever Assistance instead of Clever Assistants - and a botched attempt to fix it in Changes.txt. I don't suppose anyone has seen this virtue in the game, to see if the fix worked? not that it matters.

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[katank]

never seen that.