new medieval italian mod

[Shrew]

i am thinking of tryign to make a simple mod based on the city states in italy. In the medieval period. I would like to start it in the 11th century.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Sounds a good idea. Are you planning making a new map or adding provinces on the normal medieval map? Both are possible but time consuming mate. Once the map is done though it gets alot easier from there mate.

Welcome to the org by the way https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[Shrew]

i would like to know all the major city states adn factions in italy then and what a map would have looked like.
Also if anyone knows of any specialsit troops from teh factions coudl they discuss tell me.

[Shrew]

bkb i was trying to find the map from medieval, coudl you tell me where it is and if it is a bif file or not

[Despot of the English]

Hello https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

Just found a map of 11th century Italy you may find interesting.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/maps/11citaly.jpg

And 12th/13th centuries

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/maps/12citaly.jpg

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

The map is in the textures, camp map folder

[Shrew]

thank you despot https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-2thumbsup.gif however i would still welcome any informations on the differnt factions around the 11th century

[Shrew]

thank you bkb https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif for the map i was thinking of taking italy from the original map and then adding provinces to it.

[Despot of the English]

What kind of timeframe are you looking at for this mod? 11th century (1087?) till when?

[Shrew]

i have changed my mind slightly and i think i shall base it in the 12th century, to about the 15th century, as before then power moves around to much, as the byzantine then the normans invade south italy, the rest gets invaded by the holy roman emperor. I think it woudl get to complicated and difficult. After the 15th century you have the frech, germans and french fighting over italy. I would like to keep it fairly simple. So i will just have italian states

hear are some ideas for factions: papacy, siciallians, vencice, genoa, naples, florence,

if you have anymore ideas please tell me

[Despot of the English]

What about Siena for a faction? I recall it was quite powerful in the 13th century although it was greatly weakened by Florence.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

The Pisans?

[Shrew]

i agree with you about siena being a major faction, i feel the pisians would be a rebel state as they became part of the republic of Florence

i have come up with some more myself: milan, savoy

i think i will also have ferrara, modena, mantua in the north as rebels, with some of the area surrounding venice beign rebel as it was not till later that ti became part of the republic. i am getting most of my factions and my map will be similiar in regions to this one.



http://http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/shepherd/italy_1494_shepherd.jpg

[Shrew]

sorry the picture of the map did not work but i'll try again

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/shepherd/italy_1494_shepherd.jpg

if you know of any troops who were specific to any regions in italy could you tell me

[Shrew]

i have found a few specialist units, can already use the genoese sailors, in a source i also found that the pisans and genoans had very good crossbowmen

[ah_dut]

the tuscans had very good militia's from what i know. M8 get the osprey book on italian , militia's to get more info. Also, arab mercs were freely available if you eant more flavour

[Inuyasha12]

Uh....good luck

By the way someone should move this to the engineers guild in the dungeon It belongs in its rightfull niche

[Shrew]

please continue with the suggestions, however i will be away for two weeks but please don't lose interest adn when i come back form my holidays i shoudl hopefully have more information

continue with the sugestiosn please https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-smile.gif

[Despot of the English]

Quote[/b] (ah_dut @ July 16 2004,20:46)]the tuscans had very good militia's from what i know. M8 get the osprey book on italian , militia's to get more info. Also, arab mercs were freely available if you eant more flavour
Also on the Osprey theme I'd recommend The Venetian Empire 1200-1670 for some ideas on the armies.

[Shrew]

thanks for the help, these are the factions at the moment

savoy?, feudal
papacy, feudal
milan, city state
siena, city state
venice, city state
naples, feudal
sicily, feudal
florence, city state
genoa, city state

i have also found that the city states elite were mainly mercenaries from what are called conditorri.
there militia specilaised in crossbow and arqubesters and handguns. They had pikemen later on. mounted arqubusters. For the mercenaries i had two ideas one is to have them just as normal mercenaries however if that does not work i can have them as normal units but with low loyalty. The elite knights were called gendarme and were equally as good as the french knights. later on the ventians got stradiots which were half european half turkish light cavs from the balkans. there were big objects pulled by oxen which had the cities colours on the them and i thougth i might use a similiar system as the generals in ntw.

i am still looking for a map and i would welcome a volunteer to do the map for me, please

always open to sugestions

[Al Khalifah]

With the geography and shape of Italy being as it is, wouldn't it be best (if possible) to use the Viking Invasion map and modify it to look like Italy. This would allow you to get a lot of detail in, with lots of provinces (you could include the coast of the Adriatic if you wanted).

The shape of the MTW map is not ideal at all unless you put Italy on its side for the map.

[massamuusi]

If I was you I'd take the original map (or any other euro map) and stretch it, then making room for the italian city states...
If you could make it like that it could be interesting, I don't think you even need much stretching, something like 15-30%. You could still zoom out and it would look the same map as default, except the castles would appear smaller, allowing smaller provinces.
Think about it.


Btw, great idea, I like the period, though I can't remember Macchiavelli's home city... (shame)