Have a look at this!

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Got this off legion, siblesz is the man. Catapharact camels look game and loads of others look great(note, loads are missing but there are loads you haven't seen i think)

The link:

http://www.legiontotalwar.com/forums....ry95973 (http://www.legiontotalwar.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5286&st=0&#entry95973)

[Basileus]

Sweet stuff by Siblez, those Cataphract camels though heh poor thing..are they even real historicly?

[The_Emperor]

large parts of this are fake... Siblesz has admitted most were done in photoshop.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I know loads are missing(good old celtic warriors for a start) but thats alright. Those camels made me giggle. Don't know about the historical side but they will at least make the romans die of laughter before fighting them https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Fav unit there was the hillmen or the selucid legionaries. Both look swell https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Are you sure E, he says he hasn't. I hope he hasn't that wouldn't be very cool https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-inquisitive.gif

[The_Emperor]

I am sure.. I read the rest of the thread. https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Though he later denied it was a scam, I am unconvinced... until I see a more reputable source confirm all this.

[discovery1]

Quote[/b] (The_Emperor @ July 20 2004,14:32)]large parts of this are fake... Siblesz has admitted most were done in photoshop.

Quote[/b] ]i was being sarcastic with adherbal. and so was adherbal being sarcastic with me
Siblesz


Yes read the rest of the thread.

How much you want to bet that the Arcani are the battlefield ninjas of RTW?

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

I have read the thread but page 3 of it seems to throw it into confusion, either he did or he didn't. I'm not sure now but it was worth posting ot all the same https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[The_Emperor]

The Velites and the Light Auxilia are the same pic, which has been edited... Def Photoshop.

[The Sword of Cao Cao]

Is anyone else here completely disgusted at the Roman Ninja dude? The Arcani?

[Leet Eriksson]

Cataphract camels as far as i can recall was used by the palmyrans,they were'nt really cataphract,or fully armoured but they were covered withsome sort of armour.Parthians relied on the arab camels of southern iraq(and later sassanids),though i don't know wether they were armoured or not.

Ok now i'm gonna nitpick on the roman units:

Urban Cohorts:Oh noesthe Elmos(AUM) are backThey seem like a really elite version of the legionnares,but is it historically correct?

Repeating Ballista:Good to hear the developers know about Herons inventions,the Chieroballista is the first machine gun ever invented

Roman Arcani:What are these?there is no discription but they sound like some sort of uber unit that will chop others into bits.

oh and btw the romans have alot of units compared to other factions..

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Apparently the Arcani were the Roman equivalent of the SS. See below:

http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/hcc2/htm/v.vii.ix.htm

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

And I can discount your theory Emperor - in the official CA Rome kit released a couple of days ago there are many new Roman unit info pics, and the Velites and Light Auxillary are exactly the same as the pictures in his unit guide. Therefore they can't be photoshopped.

[Basileus]

i realy doubt hes that good with PS hehe, you never know though https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-jester.gif

[Monk]

Looks like he got the carthy sacred band inf wrong, doesn't match what we've seen in recent vids and whats on the site.

besides Isn't Siblesz the same guy who also at one time (on a certain April fool's day) declare that he had the demo and let it go on for10 or 15 pages before he said he lied? so why do you even believe him now?

btw thanks for the info bkb, but if you look the barbarian tribes are nearly all the same except for germany. Gaul and Briton have 3 or 4 units in common. and many barb units use the same pic just recolored, so i am going to say this is BS.

https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

If that is true....bugger. Oh well. Those barbarian factions do seem a bit samey, also celts woundn't have used chariot archers would they? I thought they used javeliners or am i mistaken https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

I really hope this isn't anywere near the final release. Specially the Egyptians. Each day I'm more and more disapointed. https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-sad.gif So many generic units, so many similarities between factions. This is too lame to be true. https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Overlooking it the similarites make me feel that it might fake. I'm still not 100% sure though

[Siblesz]

Yes, i love my sarcastic humor... if you didn't notice i was OBVIOUSLY being sarcastic.... i mean, who on his right mind would work for days on a single thing just to scam everyone into believing something that isn't true? (clue= not me, i'm a lazy slob)

Anyways, i did have to work for HOURS on these... they were all TGA files so i had to convert them into JPEG and then put them all organized and clean into different html files. Took me at least 5 hours to do all of em.

I got the pics and info from an activision guy... this MIGHT be the old version of the units... so some of the descriptions and units might be wrong.

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Fair enough geezer https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Steppe Merc]

https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif Man... if this is real I'm gonna cry. Why can't they consider non Greco-Romans unique to themselves? And the idoitic names? https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-furious3.gif Thank goodness for the mod that will be done for this.

[Siblesz]

there is still hope... maybe CA has added some things to the list of units...

for example, if you look at the carthaginian units, the numidian cavalry are nowhere to be found. I mean, what's this? No numidian cavalry in CARTHAGE? :p

So either CA was too lazy to finish the list of units in some civs or CA has gone mad by not putting numidian cavalry in Carthage. (though maybe numidian cavalry will be mercenaries?)

[alman9898]

loads of units aren't included

Cicilian Pirates
Scythian Axemen
Scythian Noble Archers
Scythian Noblewomen
Macedonian Cavalry
Agema Phalaganites
Numidian Cavalry
Theban Sacred Band
German Spearman Warband (unless Im mistaken)
Egyptian Cleruch
Pontic Bronze Shield Pikemen

and lots of units are repeat images..

[Leet Eriksson]

Well good job on the unit list Siblesz https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/bigthumb.gif ,btw you forgot the Samnite Mercenaries(they are in the unit viewer in .com).I hope you complete it soon https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Ar7]

I am no history buff, but i really like the game to be as accurate as possible, but what in the world is this?? https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-stunned.gif

Long Shield Cavalry
Round Shield Cavalry

or

Militia Hoplites
Hoplites
Armoured Hoplites

Eesh this sound like an old 8bit game where everything only differed by the name and the colour. Like you had green, red, blue enemies etc.

Sure MTW has some of that, quite a lot even, but i was expecting RTW to be a step further. More historical accuracy and deeper strategy. But these units just make me cry https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif

PS. A unit of Druids is a disaster in my opinion....a very stupid idea https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-help.gif

[Spino]

Siblesz has repeatedly stated he did NOT Photoshop those pics but received them directly from someone at Activision Many of these same units have been seen time and again in numerous video clips, pics and previews so I am really hesitant to say someone spent several hours Photoshopping all that crap just to get a rise out of Total War fans.

A number of these unit pictures seem to be early versions, not as old as the ones seen in Time Commanders but not quite the 'latest and greatest'. Take note of the Carthaginian Sacred Band Infantry. In the picture provided with the press kit they look exactly the same as the Libyan Spearman and yet the recent unit update at the Com shows the Sacred Band to resemble an elite Greek Hoplite with a bronze cuirass and Corinithian style helmet. The elephant units for all the factions are based on the same 3D model (looks like an African Bush or Plains elephant with those big ears) and only differ in size. And yet we've seen at least two distinct types of martial pachyderms in Time Commanders and the latest videos out of E3 (i.e. that Roman vs. Seleucid battle with the Indian War Elephants charging through formations of legionaries).

The unit lists also seem incomplete. Where are the Agema Hoplites? Where are Parthia's basic, unarmored camel units (seen in early screenshots)?

Bitch mode 'ON'

The Egyptian units truly are a collective work of utter fantasy. We were told we would get a few historically relevant units to round out the Ramses era assortment but there isn't a single one to be found. Since these unit lists seem incomplete there may yet a few Hellenized units in the Egyptian lineup but I am not holding my breath.

Carthaginian War Hounds??

Cataphract Camels?? Simply ridiculous. What is the point? The Parthians already have a Cataphract unit and given the wide and varied terrain of their region need more arid/desert friendly units. The mind boggles at how silly they look.

The three major barbarian factions have little variety with respect to middle & low value units (which are also chock full of clones). The Gaulish unit selection is tragically dull, especially when compared to the chariot laden Britons.

I am disappointed to see little in the way of regional or ethnically specific units. No Balearic Slingers, no Cretan Archers, no Celto-Iberian mercenaries, Numidian Light Horse, Gaestae mercenaries (I suppose they're lumped in with your basic 'Naked Fanatic'), etc.

Bitch mode 'OFF'

Despite my bitching and moaning I am still fidgeting with anticipation over this game. One thing you can be sure of is that modders are going to give RTW a thorough going over with the end result putting a smile on all our faces...

[alman9898]

it's true, the historical accuracy nuts were right about the direction of the game's units.. https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

[The Blind King of Bohemia]

Since these are faction specific guides, perhaps region specific units have been omitted?

[Steppe Merc]

Even so it's very very sad. https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ceasarno.gif Oh well. Back to playing HTW.

[alman9898]

Quote[/b] (The Blind King of Bohemia @ July 20 2004,17:40)]Since these are faction specific guides, perhaps region specific units have been omitted?
Let's pray

[The Sword of Cao Cao]

Quote[/b] (The Blind King of Bohemia @ July 20 2004,16:12)]Apparently the Arcani were the Roman equivalent of the SS. See below:

http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/hcc2/htm/v.vii.ix.htm
Ah, but this seems to say that they were from Christian era Rome, plus I doubt they would have looked like gladiators..

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Anybody else think the repeating ballista is going to dominate? It sounds like a very early machine gun...

[Leet Eriksson]

It will probably be a late game artillery unit,and will probably not be that effective becuase of shorter range.I thought i heard Heron invented the repeating ballista(wich was in the BBC documentary)but apparently from this website its Dionysius of Alexandria.The Cheiroballista was a long range ballista,and not a repeating ballista).


http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/RepCatapult.htm

Herons inventions:

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/HeronAlexandria.htm

[The_Emperor]

Quote[/b] ]Siblesz has repeatedly stated he did NOT Photoshop those pics but received them directly from someone at Activision Many of these same units have been seen time and again in numerous video clips, pics and previews so I am really hesitant to say someone spent several hours Photoshopping all that crap just to get a rise out of Total War fans.


So because he says he didn't that makes it true then...

Ok I admit that some of the units we have already seen (and other have been pulled form the fanpack), However if it didn't have those units it would have NO credibility (and the best lies contain elements of truth)

Look all I am saying is that it is very suspicious that a ordinary guy on a 100% unofficial fan site will get exclusive asccess to the full unit roster before all others.

Its all a little convenient, so I am going to wait until I hear the same info from other sources.

[Rosacrux]

I wouldn't start bitching about those - we've had A LOT of bitching material already - I mean, aren't enough material for nagging the flaming bacon sacks, Amazon Women on the moon, Battlefield-crazed Druids, Screaming Women, uber-nuclear catapults and the rest of the abominations CA Frankenstein Workshop of the Absurd has fed us up until now?

And I am not even getting into the *sigh* https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif "Egyptian" faction https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-anxious.gif

I won't be a bitch about the rest of the stuff, I am convinced that this game shall have an unmatched potential, matched only by the sheer stupidity of its unit lineup.

[Catiline]

I'm not entirely sure that alot of this whining is justified (for once...). There are a few daft units, dogs, pigs and the like, but the only new ones I noticed were the arcani and the the camel cataphracts. The rest of them i was surprisingly impressed with. The romans looks good all told. The high rating for Urban cohorts sounds a bit dubious, but that pedantry - the development line and the equipment doesn’t look bad at all..

Regarding Barbarian units. I’m infinitely happier seeing generic unit types than made up ones. British spear and gallic spear men aren’t going to be fundamentally different, and the Germans were simply hairier. Warband are Warband are Warband. If they were going for the in depth stuff that’s been posted here in the other threads there could be some potential for more differentiation, but it should only really be for a few units. Ther same goes for the greeks and the Succesor states They don’t need to have fundamentally differet troop types for each faction, because historically they didn’t

The dayglo colours have gone (though that may be down to any alleged photoshopping :) ) and that's a great improvement. There are missing units, but as a base for each faction i think this is about right.

The Pharaonic nonsense needs dealing with but otherwise I’m much more encouraged than I expected to be.

[Longshanks]

The Arcani looks horrible. It looks like something straight out of a fantasy game.

[ah_dut]

Quote[/b] (Catiline @ July 21 2004,08:12)]I'm not entirely sure that alot of this whining is justified (for once...). There are a few daft units, dogs, pigs and the like, but the only new ones I noticed were the arcani and the the camel cataphracts. The rest of them i was surprisingly impressed with. The romans looks good all told. The high rating for Urban cohorts sounds a bit dubious, but that pedantry - the development line and the equipment doesn’t look bad at all..

Regarding Barbarian units. I’m infinitely happier seeing generic unit types than made up ones. British spear and gallic spear men aren’t going to be fundamentally different, and the Germans were simply hairier. Warband are Warband are Warband. If they were going for the in depth stuff that’s been posted here in the other threads there could be some potential for more differentiation, but it should only really be for a few units. Ther same goes for the greeks and the Succesor states They don’t need to have fundamentally differet troop types for each faction, because historically they didn’t

The dayglo colours have gone (though that may be down to any alleged photoshopping :) ) and that's a great improvement. There are missing units, but as a base for each faction i think this is about right.

The Pharaonic nonsense needs dealing with but otherwise I’m much more encouraged than I expected to be.
Dear respected mod, have u seen the thread link (https://forums.totalwar.org/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=19;t=23650) in this official pack, there are arcani, and for the most part i agree with u in that it's all right but some units are downright laughable https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (Rosacrux @ July 21 2004,04:39)]I won't be a bitch about the rest of the stuff, I am convinced that this game shall have an unmatched potential, matched only by the sheer stupidity of its unit lineup.
You can't get much truer than this...


The Arcani, if available in the game, should be something like spies in the Stategical Map only. NEVER a combat unit for the battlefield It's ridiculous... https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-dizzy2.gif

[Leet Eriksson]

Every game needs battlefield ninjas, STW:MI had em, MTW Got Hashishin, Rome has its Arcani i guess...

Except these units are ubarthey will kill any unit head on, its like a 12 man kensai unit

ok i just made up the last line https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

Quote[/b] (faisal @ July 22 2004,20:45)]Every game needs battlefield ninjas, STW:MI had em, MTW Got Hashishin, Rome has its Arcani i guess...
Nope. Battlefield Ninjas, although a bad generalization in STW, were really used in Medieval Japan in one or two occasions. And their look wasn't invented like the one on these Arcani. Spies looking like Elite-Gladiators? https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-wall.gif

[bighairyman]

So the selucid have both the legionaries and the hoplites that can form phalanx? Man that's gonna dominate, just imagine a group of lrgionaries and phalanx supported by cataphracts and archers buthering Roman Legionaries https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ceasarno.gif https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif

[Ragss]

Quote[/b] (bighairyman @ July 22 2004,23:18)]So the selucid have both the legionaries and the hoplites that can form phalanx? Man that's gonna dominate, just imagine a group of lrgionaries and phalanx supported by cataphracts and archers buthering Roman Legionaries https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ceasarno.gif https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif
I'm sure CA at least now how to balance a game, even if they suck at making it historically correct. No doubt their legionaries, for instance, wont be as good as the romans.

[Longshanks]

Quote[/b] (Ragss @ July 23 2004,00:19)]
Quote[/b] (bighairyman @ July 22 2004,23:18)]So the selucid have both the legionaries and the hoplites that can form phalanx? Man that's gonna dominate, just imagine a group of lrgionaries and phalanx supported by cataphracts and archers buthering Roman Legionaries https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/ceasarno.gif https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/gc-confused.gif
I'm sure CA at least now how to balance a game, even if they suck at making it historically correct. No doubt their legionaries, for instance, wont be as good as the romans.
I suspect that the Seleucids will be a jack of all trades, but master of none.

The imitiation legionaries probably won't be as good as Rome's, their phalanx units won't be as elite as the Macedonians ect.

[Leet Eriksson]

Romes legionnaries are upgradable as opposed to imitation legionnaries.Check the roman unit list, its full of legionnaires, starting from principes and ending in urban cohorts.

[Marshal Murat]

Most are in the game. The new site has quite a few of the units mentioned.
But no screaming women, and quite a few others.