The Masons

[Ar7]

I am sorry if a wrote the name wrong, correct me if there is need. I guess we all know what i am talking about.

I just saw a program that had actual written facts that the revolution and the turbulent times at the beginning of the 20th century in Russia were largerly organized by the secret Mason guild. It was done in order for one of the members to seize the political power in the empire.

This program got me really interested. What do you all think, is there such a guild, what influence does it have, what impact did it have on history, are there any resources that speak about the guild and overall what do you know about the Masons

[Mouzafphaerre]

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Asking if freemasonry exists is like asking if the moon exists. They sure do and no more as a secret organization. However, their influence is controversial.

In certain areas, like intelligencia (academic world, not secret service), they have a clear domination here in TR. Press/mass media should also be noted. Their political power or intentions vry from time to time.

Two guilds, often in competition, are currently active here AFAIK; one Scotland based and the other of French origin.

That all said, no, the Seal of Suleyman on my flag has nothing to do with freemasonry or Judaisme. https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
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[Ar7]

Alright, i didn't know that. What about the part they played earlier in the history when they were not so public yet?

[Leet Eriksson]

the Seal of Suleyman on my flag has nothing to do with freemasonry or Judaisme.

The Davids Star was actually used in many islamic banners prior to 1948, i think it means strength or power, or something along these lines. Its based on David defeating the Goliath (taken from the koran, can't recall wich surah though).

ok back to topic, i also saw a documentary on them, are they related to the same masons the templars made when they escaped to scotland though? the documentary did not mention anything about it but i heared the templars also made the masons.

[Rosacrux]

Actually, kind of yes. The first recorded Mason organization was created in Scotland and that was after the remnants of the Templars fled France and the continent to escape the fate of their brethren. But the role of the escaped Templars is kinda obscure in the creation of the first Mason Order, but suffice to say it is more or less documented.

There are interesting books about the history of the Masons and their neverending effort to control the economic and social life throughout the world... allmost ALL of the founding fathers of the United States were Masons and the US Dollar bill has loads of Mason symbols on it.

If you google a bit you might find lots of stuff on the net on them.

[Oaty]

I suspect that someone here has given out more info about Masons than they needed to. Needless to say do'nt bother if someone that has posted in this thread never comes back here to post again









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[Nowake]

Confirmed history: 966 as was the year of creation

.. if you do not believe in Hiram's legend, of course. The Orient of France has indeed another agenda from the old anglo-scotish masonery, and it forms a left wing of the organisation.

It is said that USA became a mason experiment. What it is sure is that Washinton is full of masonic simbols, even the city planning is in close relation to them.

[Rosacrux]

...Masons? What Masons? The ones building stuff, perhaps? ~:rolleyes: ~:cool:

[Nowake]

Freemasons .. Washington's architecture is not .. mason free

[monkian]

Isn't there a Masonic symbol on the US dollar ?

[Armchair Athlete]

yep, the one dollar bill. The pyramid with the eye on the top of it (the eye of Horus) and in latin it has written something like New World Order.

[meravelha]

Their political influence

Associations of Masons did become politically active and influential in the years preceding and during the French Revolution. That is, from the 1760's to the 1790's.

During this time the lodges (as well as other clubs and literary societies) were patronised by members of a literate and politically inclined middle-class.
These associations, with their international connections, became the vehicle of bourgeois discontent with the feudal regime then existing over the whole of Europe.

The American Revolution deserved and obtained large and enthusiastic support among these societies. This is the support commemorated in US banknotes.
Later, in France, there were few of the recalled Parlement of 1789 who were not members of one or other of these societies.

By the time the Jacobins had fallen from grace in Paris, the influence of the associations was greatly diminished - politics had moved well beyond the pale of polite conversation by then.

[Longshanks]

The Davids Star was actually used in many islamic banners prior to 1948, i think it means strength or power, or something along these lines. Its based on David defeating the Goliath (taken from the koran, can't recall wich surah though).

This is true.

Apparently some guilds in the Islamic world were using the star as a symbol of strength or power. Syria was known for quality steel and the excellent swords made there. The blacksmiths in Damascus formed a guild, and began engraving their swords with the star, which became known as the 'Star of Damascus.' Because the swordmakers in Damascus were so renknowned for their skill, the Star of Damascus became recognized as a symbol of quality worksmanship on any sword. Being before the time of copyrights, other swordmakers all over the world copied the symbol and used it on their own swords. Basically it was a marketing ploy, as the Star of Damascus had become associated with quality worksmanship.

The U.S. Marine Corps NCO sword today also has an star engraved on it. It is often mistaken for the Jewish star of David, but it is actually the Star of Damascus. The ceremonial NCO swords are replicas of the original, which also bore the Star of Damascus. The original was not made in Damascus, it was made by an American company, which had appropriated and revived the old symbol.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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True. It's basically a symbol of power and sovereignity. You can see it figurated in sooo many mosques that you might get surprised.
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[ah_dut]

didn't the masons start of as bavarian? and isn't the symbology on the one dollar not illuminati as opposed to masonic. btw it's new secular order, or something like that

[fenir]

IMHO
You do know that there has never ever, been any proof of any of this don't you? I do hope you all realise this?

There has only ever been opinions, with out fact.

In the Ancient, days of the ealry Medieval period, all the different trades would form guilds. To protect themselves from the very marketing ploy that Longshanks mentioned.
There is also the apprentises', a hang over of this, is in the marching in Northern Ireland.
These guilds would form to protect local industry before the days when governments would regulate with any effectiveness that we would know today.
It was also to protect a town or area, eg: providing troops to local forces. That way people who had an interest in the area would be the ones defending it. note farmers where also in this.
But they where still nearly always leed by a noble.

ETC.... The 'freemasons' guild were free men, or fydman, that were masons(old English word meaning a brickie or Brick layer).

Same as Blacksmiths guilds. Or Fish Mongers ( old English meaning someone who sells fish) guilds, boat builders guild.

The next problem you face is, You really think a small time bunch of rock hounds, had power over the Nobles?? For the last 1000years?
That in itself would be a feat worthy of taking over the universe.

Sorry guys it don't add up. Think around the Problem.
Look at what you are really saying.
The freemasons guild which is the one that usually gets balled over for this, is actually the English Freemasons guild, it is not Scottish in origin.
The other funny thing about this, is freemasons are an Anglo-Celtic tradition.
Seems a little funny, that a communist imspired revoluton in Russia is now being blamed upon the masons.
Espeically if you knew the history of that revolution.

I have actually been to freemason meetings when i was young, with my uncle. it is no more than a drinking club, like the Rotary or lions organisations that try and help the community. Old fellas sit around and talk about doing nice things for people, kinda makes me sick.
Secert hand shakes? Yes they have them. Secert agendas? i have no idea, as they would be secert.

But lets be real here, the history Channel, and discovery are hardly concise. They are after all always opinions more than fact.

You really think, that the Masons, can do so much of what is claimed by people, and still be so open? Espeically with a large membership like they have?
Sorry guys, to many conspiracy theories here. No fact, and overly opinionated.

I would say that you are more likely to have the thing you are looking for in the media, not in a club based on old rock hounds.



Actually, kind of yes. The first recorded Mason organization was created in Scotland and that was after the remnants of the Templars fled France and the continent to escape the fate of their brethren. But the role of the escaped Templars is kinda obscure in the creation of the first Mason Order, but suffice to say it is more or less documented.

So the Templars now started them? what in ~1242AD or what ever after the persecutions?
Hmmm what about the Masons that exsited before then?
Lots of books? Yes, but hardly any facts.
It is very funny, if you guys where around in the Medieval and the 500 years around that period, you guys would be hunting witches.
Still on hersay, and still without a thread of evidence.
It really does disappoint me that humanity in all our glory, are still so much 'little people' after even 1000 years.
Next you lot will be reading your start signs in the local newspaper.

~:joker: how about a witch hunt next saturday night?

fenir

[fenir]

PS: I deleted this by mistake,

The above is like all the books on how the Jews control all the banking in the world.
It is said by people who are ignorant of how the Ecnomic system works, and how banking works.
If you understood how each of these work, you would realise no one group can control it, it's impossible.
The only way you can control any of this, is if you can control the thoughts of several billion people all at once, and all the time.

And if you ahve that sort of power, why would you need people? Why would you need democracy? Or choice? or different companies?

Which is exactly what you are saying about the Masons.

fenir