I may not get Rome Total War now!

[bighairyman]

Well i found out that my HP crap doesn't support AGP cards, and only accept PCi cards, oh yeah, at least i can come online and hear you guys talk how great it is http://212.238.194.39/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://212.238.194.39/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif http://212.238.194.39/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif http://212.238.194.39/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[Aelwyn]

get a new one. you could probably salvage a good amount of the stuff you have in your sys now, and depending upon where you are, and what you'd get, you could get a new system for $300-400 maybe, with a pretty good vid card, and thats if you only have a few things you can salvage.

[Xiahou Liao]

There are PCI GeForce cards you know...I hate ATI. ATI is incompatiable with home made computers, usually. I hate it all For example:

If X-box changes to ATI instead of Nvidia, I won't buy The neXt-Box

[_Martyr_]

Come on now, thats rubbish. ATI make some very good cards, the 9800pro is still one of the best cards around especially when you consider you can snap one up for under 200 euro now. They have had a few incompatibility issues in the past, nearly all of which have been sorted out with driver updates. To say ATI dont work on homemade PCs is absolutely false.

[RangerLee]

I run both 9800 pro on one computer and a geforce ti 4600 on another (both dual xeons) and other then the ease of drivers for the Geforce there is no big difference. The ATI card runs great, and on max resolution it runs smoother then the geforce (for course it is a much newer card then my ti4600) but at my normal gaming resolutions no differnce.

So point is, ATI makes a good card, and they have improved on driver support but they are still not up to par with Nvidia, but they are getting there.

[Ar7]

If the latest tests to be believed, then ATI owns Nvidia. I think the site, that tested all the video cards that came out during the last 3 or 4 years, was called Tom's hardware or something. Anyway the new ATI X800 cards are cheaper than Geforce 6800 and much faster, especially with echanced graphics and higher resolution. So i hope to get a X800 pro soon.

[bighairyman]

You guys didn't read my post!, I can't install an AGP grahpic card! only PCI, and those graphic crads are old, and they suck, plus they won't dramaticly change anything! ~:(

[Colovion]

You guys didn't read my post!, I can't install an AGP grahpic card! only PCI, and those graphic crads are old, and they suck, plus they won't dramaticly change anything! ~:(

what ones are old and suck?

[nightcrawlerblue]

There are PCI GeForce cards you know...I hate ATI. ATI is incompatiable with home made computers, usually. I hate it all For example:

If X-box changes to ATI instead of Nvidia, I won't buy The neXt-Box

Where the heck are you getting your information?! That's a load of bull!

[Colovion]

when I first ever got an ATI card (8500LE) it was an awesome price, totally outdid anything in that price bracket at the time from nVidia but at the time the drivers were really crappy. I couldn't even play GTA3 whatsoever no matter what I did or who I asked for help there just wasn't any fix for it besides going back to nVidia. So I did that and have been happy ever since.

However I'm thinking of getting an ATI card next just to give them another try (mainly cause I'm relaly cheap).

[bighairyman]

what ones are old and suck?


PCI ones!

[Aelwyn]

Here, I found you a pretty decent PCI card. Its $89.99 and has free shipping. It supports DirectX 9.0 and OpenGL 1.4, and has 256mb memory.

GeForce FX 5200 PCI Card (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?DEPA=0&description=14-150-061&CMP=OTC-pr1c3watch&ATT=Video+Cards)

[Ar7]

Geforce 5200 is a waste of money if you ask me, i have it ~:mecry:. I am guessing it won't play RTW on full graphics, heck it doesn't even play much older games ( so i need a new one, bad ) Of course it could play them on low, but that ain't my taste

[Aelwyn]

Yeah I dunno about it myself, but its either that type of card, or a Radeon 9200. Newer cards aren't even made in PCI anymore (at least none I could find). So your best bet is either an fx5200 or a radeon 9200. You can get one for around $70-90, depending upon which you want.

Just trying to help. :)

[Ypoknons]

I think there is a 9600 PCI. There was also a good roundup of PCI cards at SFFTech but I can't find it now.

A Site! (http://www.shopgenie.co.uk/theme_theme_connect--3d--radeon--9600--pci_page_1_/)

Of course, since the 9600 PCI is sorta lacking in power, though better than a 9200 or 5200, and the arrival of PCI Express might just mean a new computer would be a better idea.

[nightcrawlerblue]

Here, I found you a pretty decent PCI card. Its $89.99 and has free shipping. It supports DirectX 9.0 and OpenGL 1.4, and has 256mb memory.

GeForce FX 5200 PCI Card (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?DEPA=0&description=14-150-061&CMP=OTC-pr1c3watch&ATT=Video+Cards)

5200 is not good for gaming.

I'm afraid there are no good PCI cards however, and your best option would probably be the FX5200 or a Radeon 9200. I'm not sure if they made PCi versions but the Geforce4 Ti 4400 is a nice card.

[bighairyman]

Can anyone confirme it for me. a HP pavilion 752n, does it have an AGP slot?

if not, can i just get a new mother board? thanks!

[Colovion]

Can anyone confirme it for me. a HP pavilion 752n, does it have an AGP slot?

if not, can i just get a new mother board? thanks!


Is that your computer? Why not just check yourself?

Oh and of course you can get a new motherboard - but sometimes it's worth just getting a whole new computer. If my computer with the 4200ti and a bunch of other (were) good upgrades doesn't run the game well (which I doubt it will) then I'm going to have to get a whole new computer instead of just a new Video card or processor. If your MB only has PCI slots then it's likely that the rest of your computer is behind the times too,

[JonnyBlademan]

Harry, what kind of Pentium chip do you have? HP and Compaq both make 2+Ghz systems with onboard vid and no AGP slot, so it might not be system age. A PCI card might be your answer.

[bighairyman]

See i;m not clear on it. I have a AGP slider thing in Mtw!

[Spartiate]

There is a PCI version of the ATI 800XT out now.$475.oo to you gentlemen the other side of the big pond.

[lonewolf371]

Even if you do have a really good card it will still be limited because communication between your card and your motherboard will be slow. I'd recommend getting a new computer, and that fails get an old card and see what you can do with overclocking and such. But don't get your hopes high, if your computer in general is old your powersupply probably wouldn't be powerful enough to support such endeavors.

[Red Harvest]

There are PCI GeForce cards you know...I hate ATI. ATI is incompatiable with home made computers, usually. I hate it all For example:

If X-box changes to ATI instead of Nvidia, I won't buy The neXt-Box


UTTER RUBBISH

Had lots of trouble with GF2 GTS not working reliably with my homebuild...but the ATI Radeon and 8500 work flawlessly with it (as well as an old 3dfx card.) My other build is running a 9800 Pro. Actually there were a lot of us that had trouble with GTS/Pro back then. They had lots of motherboard incompatibilities. Funny thing was Radeon cards didn't have the problems on the motherboards so a number of us jumped ship. Haven't looked back.

Nvidia drivers had trouble back then too, had to use a specific beta to get STW running...while I could use the shipping ATI drivers without trouble.

So many myths to burst on the internet, so little time... ~:rolleyes:

[bighairyman]

Even if you do have a really good card it will still be limited because communication between your card and your motherboard will be slow. I'd recommend getting a new computer, and that fails get an old card and see what you can do with overclocking and such. But don't get your hopes high, if your computer in general is old your powersupply probably wouldn't be powerful enough to support such endeavors.

My PC is not old, it's only one year old, i just bought a bad PC, that's all!

[RTKLamorak]

There are PCI GeForce cards you know...I hate ATI. ATI is incompatiable with home made computers, usually. I hate it all For example:


you have to be joking right? That is the most untrue statement ive read on these boards, period.


If X-box changes to ATI instead of Nvidia, I won't buy The neXt-Box

lol ~:rolleyes: There are a lot of names for people like you, but im a nice guy ~;) .. so will refrain form using them here! ~:wacko:

[t1master]

what you do big hairy man is cannablize the hp you just bought, just like alyewin said... you got just about all the components you need except the mother board/chipset with the agp slot for the graphics card that you'll need to run rome. the new mobo may even fit in the hp tower. your ram will prolly still be good (but make sure the new mobo supports it) as well as the hard drive and monitor.

the only real bite might be the os, as the factory disks may not like the new setup? unless they gave you fresh copies of xp instead of the hp load it all up on one disk stuff.

i'm on my second build still using the old hp disk drives, monitor and power supply i ripped outta my first hp that i bought after i realized it was a total dog and i had gotten hosed. i've spent about 300 bucks in the last two years and am confident my 'hillbilly rig' will be able to handle rtw :)

[Lonewarrior]

They will probably make and update to fix that, lets hope, or juts get a new one, and if I get and extra copy I'll give it to you. :knight:

[bighairyman]

Hey Rome:total war demo works good on my PC with no upgrades! in fact, i turn it way up to i think 1200x800 with 32-bit, and it didn't even slowed down once! :jumping: :jumping: so now RTW, here i come ~:joker: ~:grouphug: :knight: !